So, I snuck onto EQ last night for a bit after the In-Laws went to bed. I was just killing off a couple giants in the Steppes when a rather recently recruited guildmember says in the Guildchannel, "hey I got a good deal on some plat, only 8 bucks for 200kpp" or something to that effect. I was happy to see a couple guild members poo-poo the guy right off, but from his responses to them it was clear he didn't see any problems with either buying the plat or discussing it with the guild.
The Guildleader wasn't on, being an officer I thought I should do something, so a simply sent the guy a tell, asking him not to discuss breaking the EULA in guild chat. He questioned me, asking what the big deal was....and also continued on in Guild Chat about how he got all his spells he needed with the plat ..blah, blah.
So, I then sent out a message to the guild to the effect that, although we have no written rules, that as an EQ Guild we were obligated to uphold the EULA. So please don't buy plat or partake in any other activities that are against the users agreement.
He was fine with that, and the guildies that were on seemed ok with that. So, all seems fine. I guess, I'll still have to talk to the GL.
Just wondering, from a guild officer perspective, how others might handle that situation?
My first inclination was to boot him from the guild and report him, but that's obviously a bit extreme.
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Alma wrote:
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The Elinda of Doom wrote:
So, I snuck onto EQ last night for a bit after the In-Laws went to bed. I was just killing off a couple giants in the Steppes when a rather recently recruited guildmember says in the Guildchannel, "hey I got a good deal on some plat, only 8 bucks for 200kpp" or something to that effect. I was happy to see a couple guild members poo-poo the guy right off, but from his responses to them it was clear he didn't see any problems with either buying the plat or discussing it with the guild.
The Guildleader wasn't on, being an officer I thought I should do something, so a simply sent the guy a tell, asking him not to discuss breaking the EULA in guild chat. He questioned me, asking what the big deal was....and also continued on in Guild Chat about how he got all his spells he needed with the plat ..blah, blah.
So, I then sent out a message to the guild to the effect that, although we have no written rules, that as an EQ Guild we were obligated to uphold the EULA. So please don't buy plat or partake in any other activities that are against the users agreement.
He was fine with that, and the guildies that were on seemed ok with that. So, all seems fine. I guess, I'll still have to talk to the GL.
Just wondering, from a guild officer perspective, how others might handle that situation?
My first inclination was to boot him from the guild and report him, but that's obviously a bit extreme.
The Guildleader wasn't on, being an officer I thought I should do something, so a simply sent the guy a tell, asking him not to discuss breaking the EULA in guild chat. He questioned me, asking what the big deal was....and also continued on in Guild Chat about how he got all his spells he needed with the plat ..blah, blah.
So, I then sent out a message to the guild to the effect that, although we have no written rules, that as an EQ Guild we were obligated to uphold the EULA. So please don't buy plat or partake in any other activities that are against the users agreement.
He was fine with that, and the guildies that were on seemed ok with that. So, all seems fine. I guess, I'll still have to talk to the GL.
Just wondering, from a guild officer perspective, how others might handle that situation?
My first inclination was to boot him from the guild and report him, but that's obviously a bit extreme.
fhrugby the Sly wrote:
I would think that without a clear rule against discussing such, it might ruffle some feathers to boot him out for that. I think a clear rule against selling plat account etc in guild chat should be established ASAP
But yeah, maybe posting something in the MoTD that the Guild upholds the EULA, and so should it's members, is a good idea.
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
Definately! I would have any chat about not upholding the EUla banned from guild channel. Do what you want, but dont talk about violation Sony policy in an area where it may lead to problems for others.
My first thought would to be kick this player now. If he is in a PuG somewhere and says " Hey a I got this great deal on plat for x$" the other members of the PuG will look at his (your) guild tag and think "so X guild is about buying plat, I wonder if they hack as well" Its guilt by assoication.
I think the more rules a guild puts out there the less fun they are but this one is a biggie. It could make PoD look bad and you guys dont need that.
I think the more rules a guild puts out there the less fun they are but this one is a biggie. It could make PoD look bad and you guys dont need that.
"If you ask me, we could do with a little less motivation. The people who are causing all the trouble seem highly motivated to me. Serial killers, stock swindlers, drug dealers, Christian Republicans"
George Carlin.
George Carlin.
Yep you do need certain guild rules. Not having them invits people you dont' want in your guild. Two of the top of my head are...
1. No talking about breaking the EULA in any form. Tells are obviously hard to moderate.
2. No ANON- RP, if you are a Cleric, or Enchanter, tired of can I have ____ buffs please tells.
1. No talking about breaking the EULA in any form. Tells are obviously hard to moderate.
2. No ANON- RP, if you are a Cleric, or Enchanter, tired of can I have ____ buffs please tells.
I'd have handled it as you had. Despite a very vocal "against" crowd, a lot of people simply don't see plat buying as a big deal and might not consider that it brakes an unstated guild rule. Sure, guilds generally want their people to follow the EULA but many people might see plat buying to being more like "letting my brother use my account's cleric to rez his warrior" EULA breaking than "Duping lots of expensive items to sell" breaking.
Now the guy knows, he says he don't do it again (probably will but at least he won't talk about it) and will continue to contribute whatever positive qualities he was recruited for.
Now the guy knows, he says he don't do it again (probably will but at least he won't talk about it) and will continue to contribute whatever positive qualities he was recruited for.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#8REDACTED,
Posted: Oct 05 2007 at 4:43 PM, Rating: Unrated, (Expand Post) boot him. if he is too stupid not to blabber about breaking the rules, how will you ever trust him with anything important in the guild?
/agree
It's not that big of a deal in today's EQ that many players buy plat. There's just not much you can do about it and you'll be fighting an uphill battle trying to insist that no one in your guild may do it. However, it's absolutely idiotic of a member to talk about it while in game. It reflects poorly on your guild (which I presume *is* mentioned somewhere in the guild rules) and it's just plain stupid to boot.
It's not that big of a deal in today's EQ that many players buy plat. There's just not much you can do about it and you'll be fighting an uphill battle trying to insist that no one in your guild may do it. However, it's absolutely idiotic of a member to talk about it while in game. It reflects poorly on your guild (which I presume *is* mentioned somewhere in the guild rules) and it's just plain stupid to boot.
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
In the guild I am in on Druzzil, it is written in the guild expectations that that guild members are expected to follow the Eula and the "play nice" rules. I personally don't see the point in buying plat. I enjoy playing EQ. Earning my plat, and buying or making or getting upgrades from looting are part of the enjoyment. I know a lot of people who feel the same.
Edited, Oct 5th 2007 10:15pm by Pani
Edited, Oct 5th 2007 10:15pm by Pani
gbaji wrote:
It's not that big of a deal in today's EQ that many players buy plat. There's just not much you can do about it and you'll be fighting an uphill battle trying to insist that no one in your guild may do it.
Whatever a guild member actually 'does' is their business.
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(which I presume *is* mentioned somewhere in the guild rules)
...what really bothers me about this, is this guy claimed ignorance, yet he doesn't seem to be an ignorant person.
Anyways, thanks for the feedback.
(I just realized I have a typo in the title of this post. Sorry bout that. Can't edit the title.)
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
Kick the cheating ******* from the guild, and post on the forum how you don't accept cheaters in any shape or form.
Bending the rules of a game is wrong, if for no other reason that the rules ARE the game. If you don't want to follow the rules, don't play the game.
There's nothing called 'bending the rules a little' any more than you can be 'a little bit pregnant'.
And no, this won't stop plat buyers, but at least you will give the honest players a sense of pride in their guild, and THAT, I think is more important than whether or not other players outside your guild cheat.
Bending the rules of a game is wrong, if for no other reason that the rules ARE the game. If you don't want to follow the rules, don't play the game.
There's nothing called 'bending the rules a little' any more than you can be 'a little bit pregnant'.
And no, this won't stop plat buyers, but at least you will give the honest players a sense of pride in their guild, and THAT, I think is more important than whether or not other players outside your guild cheat.
Whitman wrote:
And no, this won't stop plat buyers, but at least you will give the honest players a sense of pride in their guild
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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