Why does everyone think post POP sucks?Follow

Don't agree here. I think that you should choose the race you'd like to play, and not take Drakkin because they got cool stuff. 'Cause fun is the only thing that counts.

Edit: not a native speaker

Edited, May 11th 2007 6:23am by bbot

When you create a new character, you can choose between your "old" starting city (f.e. Oggok for Ogres, Ak'Anon for Gnomes, ...) or Crescent Reach.

Hey guys.. my box arrived today:) Shipped super fast from Amazon!

Anyhow.. here's my info so far

Stromm Server
CR for home
Drakkin Rouge


Name: Reazel

feel free to look me up if you're around:)

Its generally agreed that the whispers of EQs downfall began with the launch of Luclin (which is was created by Sony if you recall that far back). What really happened is open to debate but from what I saw personally I would have to agree with this. Luclin really did shake the foundations of the game and added a few new things that really challenged or destroyed the "old ways" of the game. For example the bazaar effectively destroyed the more personal trading system of the east commons and alot of people (myself not included) really resented that and I had good friends that quit the game with just that. People that had been at the height of their game were now being bested by afk traders. Another change with Luclin was the sudden regular appearance of the summoning monsters which really caused a powershift among the classes. Classes that had been on the very top since the beginning (such as druids) began to find areas that their class simply weren't capable of going. You might recall that wayyyyy back then everyone had a druid (or some other kiter/root rotter) either as a main or a high level alt and this change wasn't accepted too easily. Another problem with Luclin was Paludal Caverns which allowed characters to breeze through the lower levels without much effort. Even complete newbies, armed with a few platinum (which they begged for in the Nexus) worth of bazaar gear, and a fresh C3 (and later Virtue) could go from 1 to 50 in a few days. Once again this doesn't really pose much of a problem to me but I can remember alot of people complaining about it when it was happening and I can understand why to an extent (<Cough> Took me almost a year to get my first character to 24 and I think I was 30ish before I had my first Intelligence item and I was an Int caster). Luclin didn't bother me. I ignored it and it ignored me and we were both happy.The one thing that did annoy me slightly and soon became a trend of Sony was the rape of the storyline. In this case regarding the Shissar. It said right in the manual for the game that the Shissar had ALL been destroyed but then suddenly they came back to life and were just hanging out on Luclin all this time and never made any attempt to return to their old empire but instead let their slaves take it over for them. Now the newer manuals say that only MANY of the shissar were destroyed in a pathetic attempt to cover this up. PoP on the other hand was what really changed (or according to many, destroyed) EQ.

Even then EQ was still on the rise and not yet dying. More people were coming to the game than were leaving. But even I, who stayed in the older zones almost entirely, noticed the higher end game declining and alot of good people leaving and not coming back. First of all the summoning monster problem was enhanced. Nearly all of PoP was kiter unfriendly and ALOT of people who had been druids or wizards since the beginning found themselves unable to solo even a little bit and were understandly angry about this. A good chunk of these quit but some stayed on as Beastlords and even now you'll see high level Beasts that have an old level 60 druid tucked away somewhere. PoP also changed (destroyed) the world-wide travel industry. Druids and wizards found their porting spells next to useless. Once again newbies had it really easy which some people resented (it was pretty sad to see people in their 60s that didn't know the way between Felwithe and Kelethin even to me) and this was also a result of the travel being crushed, the bazaar, and the high level buffs that were available to everyone. Another problem was the faction system was changed (destroyed). Since the PoK was now a universal home city for everyone all the old home cities became useless and the factions that went with them were also useless. People that had actually put alot of thought into their class for faction reasons or had worked their factions at the cost of many hours were kicked square in the butt. Dark elves and High elves now strolled through the PoK hand in hand. What great story writing. Another problem that surfaced was the arrogance and "unfriendlyness" of the new breed of player. Thanks to various reasons I listed above alot of players really breezed through the lower levels and really had very little clue how to actually play. Overall this didn't bother me (live and let live) but with PoP the serious raiding guilds really started heating up and players that had about 3 months game experience and a character twice as good as people that had been playing since the beginning began pushing people around. You'd see certain guilds enter older zones and then either kill everything or just train you till you left without saying a word (except maybe an insult if you were lucky). And all because they had a funny name over their head and better gear they didn't have to treat you like a person. This really started with PoP and continues even now. Of course I could go on and list everything I can remember that was changed (destroyed) with each expansion launched by Sony but we'd be here for a long, long, time so I'll stop with that but that should answer a bit about "why PoP sucked" or rather why some people thought it sucked.

Now this is just a few things that I can remember from back then but I'm sure others have their own story of it. If you really wanted I could go into huge detail of what has all been changed and give specific accounts of the evil that is Sony and what they did to the people dumb enough to stay with the game (I'm still playing in case you're wondering) but once again that would take alot of time. What is important is that this all happened while the game was fully under Sonys control and they did nothing to stop it. Starting with Sonys takeover at Luclin the game began to decline and not long after PoP the player population also began to decline. This is a pretty old and tired subject and very little good can come of bringing it all up again but it did happen and I remember it and more and more I see people asking "why PoP sucked" so a little history seemed to be in order even though none of it matters much anymore.

PS. Every now again someone breaks down and pours their heart out like this on the forums because as hard as it may be for some of you to understand this game has really meant alot to some people and we're truly saddened to see it changed (destroyed) but whenever this happens there is always an endless list of people telling them to "Stop whining and quit" or "Leave and you'll not be missed" and this is just an example of how unfriendly the population has really become.

Personally, I consider 100,000p a minimum at high level. I've never had less 1,000p after the teens. But even 100K, won't buy alot of things, not even the fastest purchasable horse (black or white .. it will get the brown or tan though). But I see alot of people asking for money for summoning stones in the Guild Lobby, which for a 75 level are less than 300p. I don't know how people operate with that little cash on hand. Supplies get expensive as you level. But actually cheaper compared to the amount of money you make from adventuring.

That first 1K, I mentioned was almost all from just killing and selling to NPC merchants. It's much easier now with the bazaar to sell to players, while you're sleeping or what not, rather than wasting time, standing in the EC tunnels /auction-ing stuff. Adding links to items, really improved buying / selling also. It bit, having to make a trade with someone to see the details, or type them all out. Of course, back then, you didn't get see much of anything, but AC, stats, resists, HPs and Mana (no Endurance back then). Haste was just listed as Haste without a percentage.

There's another thread started by Warchief Kupo*, that lists good places to make money at. The start of the posts about where to make some money can be found here.

20p is descent when first starting out. When I start new toons on new severs, it usually takes a bit to make any money. I generally worry about getting up to around 20 or so first, and get some descent gear via quests, before I start farming much. I pay attention and save stuff that I know will sell, while I'm leveling, but don't rush to sell the stuff, other than the vendor trash. Many items that drop in CR sell for 10-20p to merchants, or used, I think they nerfed the prices a bit, prob more like 5-10p now. This is along with the items mentioned in the ilnked thread that sell exceptionally well to players.

Ok, I"m gonna stop now, getting too tired to think, since no sleep and raiding all day long :D

Good luck!

Yther Ore.

So.. an update..

Damn..

I'm now a lvl 10 rouge and I've left the gloom mines and made my way to crescent reach. I Simply can't believe how vast the place is. The place is huge and I'm all lost. I've accepted so many quests and I don't feel like I've done anything yet.

Where should I go?! Obviously the lvl 1 quests and such aren't crap for me so I should focus on the lvl 10-15 stuff for now. Can I abandon quests if they're pointless to do?

Another thing.. Should I follow any certain quests for the storyline stuff?!

thanks:)