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#1 Mar 28 2007 at 5:39 PM Rating: Good
Let me first start my argument by saying that im just as disappointed as anyone else in the direction eq is going, and you can flame me for the Thread all you want, but it really is a annoying problem.

Words cannot describe the annoyance these kinds of threads cause, yes eq might be failing, but theres no need to have 3 new threads on it EVERY single day.

It is true that eq is nowhere near the "good old days" anymore, and who can blame? this year is its 8th anneversary, its getting old. Its only natural the game would change, and for all you people out there who complain that "your tired of new expansions" and that "you wish it were like the old days" there is a simple solution: Dont buy the game, leave, whatever YOU have to do, instead of pumping this thread full to the brim with uneeded posts of why Eq is failing or what they should do to fix it. SoE does know, and although they arent showing it they are trying there best, and we have to either belive in them or pack up to another mmorpg.

The most annoying thing to hear is that eq is failing because people cant catch up. Although this is the case for the most part, there are still easy ways to catch up, for example, Open anguish raids and Other progression raids are becoming more frequent. Seriously my friends, if you are one of the ones who complains of not progressing, the answer is simple: Get off the forums, and do what you feel you need to do to get there. Because many of the higher most progressed characters will even admit that they had once had the same problem.

As for leveling? i cant agree more, there is literaly No groups for anyone below 50 anymore, but why waste time chatting on a board about it? There are plenty of new and old quests people could do with relative ease, not only do they offer some decent gear but they give a better feel for the game, a feel that used to be had playing in the "old days"

So by now, your probably asking "Why is the dude bothering? Hes Contradicting himself." well, yes, Ill agree with the next person i think eq is failing, but you know what, One Day Eq Will retire, just like any old game. Spending your time complaining about stupid things that can be resolved by ones self is just a waste of that persons time, because Eq (along with other mmorpg's) Death is inevitable, so why not just have fun till they do close the servers?

So now i think i have wasted some peoples times, so ill make my point clear, if you are going to complain over and over agian, to people who still care for Eq, please pack your bags and leave. If your not happy with eq? Fine, but your no SOE Respresentative that can say that Eq is failing, and until you are, you will just be basing your facts on the time period Eq is in at the moment. My opinion is that EQ is falling into a phase it will eventually climb out of, and until a Gm from EQ says diffrent, im going to make every moment i have on it memorable, not critical.

Edited, Mar 28th 2007 9:43pm by Zhasacoolcleric
#2 Mar 28 2007 at 6:48 PM Rating: Good
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if you are going to complain over and over agian, to people who still care for Eq, please pack your bags and leave
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..... about 80 to 90% of the player base actually already has

[quote]If your not happy with eq? Fine, but your no SOE Respresentative that can say that Eq is failing, and until you are, you will just be basing your facts on the time period Eq is in at the moment.


.... basing opinions on relevent and overwhelming facts is actually a good thing.


[quote]My opinion is that EQ is falling into a phase it will eventually climb out of, and until a Gm from EQ says diffrent, im going to make every moment i have on it memorable, not critical.



... although i cannot see how eq can even possibly come close to "climbing out of it". I think you spending your time enjoying the game is the best revenge. but didnt you spend alot of time on this post, which you kinda criticised other for?




#3 Mar 28 2007 at 9:10 PM Rating: Good
80%-90% have already left? is that a proveable fact somewhere? i am not doubting that a lot of people have left but if eq was at only 1/5-1/10 of its previous subscribers i find it hard to believe it would still be going
#4 Mar 28 2007 at 9:35 PM Rating: Good
actually my bad, I should have said 75 - 80% although 90 may be a distinct possiblilty.

at one time eq was at 500k the last published numbers I saw were at about 100k which was several months ago. That alone is 80%.

Other games have proven it really doesnt take many people to keep a game going but since it has been a long time since I have seen any published numbers in credible sources I have no idea how many there are currently. I am sure it is below 100k however.



Edited, Mar 29th 2007 1:36am by dracoboars
#5 Mar 29 2007 at 3:16 AM Rating: Excellent
I have to say is here here... IF it is dieing it is dieing and crying about the good ol days will do nothing to change that fact. Granted Ive only been playing for the last 3 years( so I know I'll be flamed now) However I enjoy evry day and until they actually pull the plug and declare it dead, there will be no other game that comes close to giving me the enjoyment I get for my money. As for glitches, bugs, broken quests, other miscellaneous problems I have yet to encounter any that are catastrophic. And IMO all complaining about the imminent demise of the game does is derail any attempt by SOE to revive the game and introduce new players.

Speaking of new players I actually discovered one of the fabled Newbie's. Luckily I was able to help them and make their introduction to the game community a good experience. Here is what happened they had been in the tutorial and played until lvl 14 managed to complete all the quests and had a complete set of gloom iron armor for their warrior. Upon leaving the tutorial they arrived on the PoK and were being criticized for not being Twinked... but they did not give up and found a group in unrest. While they were in this group they were introduced to the fabled mobs and given directions to get to Najena for Fabled Jboots. When she got there she experienced a Line of never ending high(65+) toons farming these for their alts. She patiently waited and asked if anyone would help her to get a pair, after 8 hrs no one helped her. she logged(in tears). The next day she logs in locked in to the room and no way out.. again she asks for help in ooc... and recieves none till I log in and see her plea. I was there to farm 5 pairs for alts, so I offered to open the door for her as soon as I got the key. After 30 min I got the key and went to najena's room where she relayed her tale of woe. I am ashamed to say that I was sceptical of her at first thinking to my self there are no new players in this game... (its what the boards say so it must be true)... However, after chatting with her and seeing things indicative of things only done by new players and remebering when I was new it was obvious I was in the presence of a Fabled New Player. Upon this realization I offered to give her a fabled pair of Jboots so that she no longer had to wait, she politely refused saying that she would wait till all my alts received them first. So over the next 2-3 hrs we discussed her first impressions and I helped her set up chat windows.. and explained things that we all take as common knowledge .. forgetting that its only common knowledge after 6 months and then some of it is never Common knowledge..

Long story short I aksed her to join my small family guild in the hopes of fostering a better experience than she had in the first few days of her existence in this Great world known as Norrath. Now she is talking in a positive light about the game and may bring her friends to EQ. If SOE stops making content there is more than enuff to keep the game alive for many years .. especially if as a community we can foster good will and quit being Jaded and suspect that everyone is out to get something from us for nothing... Not every level 20 and lower toon is someones alt being powerleveled... their are new people trying it out and we as the face of Norrath need to remember if we want new people we need to make them feel welcome.. So ultimately the death of EQ is in our hands.

Edited, Mar 29th 2007 7:20am by Deilan
#6 Mar 29 2007 at 4:49 AM Rating: Good
Well said Deilan.

I agree with you that their is enough content already available to keep oneself busy for years. I think that its also true that peep that have played E.Q. for 4 yrs+ simply have gotten board with the game because the joy of discovery (Game dynamics) have deminished for those who pretty much know what to expect through their massive knowledge base of the game.

I played for 3 weeks on the Combine server and found 3 odvious newbies and very much enjoyed showing then around the pok and helping with setting socials and such, with the new release of the all expansions included box set, we should see more new peep in game.. I plan on giving a few box sets to friend myself as gifts.

A lot of pleasure can be found in showing off your knowledge base (limmited though it may be compared to others).

Makes you feel helpfull and you always gain a new friend .. dont tell me thats not worth the effort.
#7 Mar 29 2007 at 7:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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Zhasacoolcleric wrote:
Its only natural the game would change, and for all you people out there who complain that "your tired of new expansions" and that "you wish it were like the old days" there is a simple solution: Dont buy the game, leave, whatever YOU have to do, instead of pumping this thread full to the brim with uneeded posts of why Eq is failing or what they should do to fix it.
What if what I want to do is criticize the direction EQ is heading in and opine on how to change it?
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I have to say is here here... IF it is dieing it is dieing and crying about the good ol days will do nothing to change that fact.
Doesn't hurt anything, either.

I'm not really saying that EQ is dying or whatever -- I've gone about that elsewhere. I just don't get the "Stop talking about it!" attitude. Not mentioning it isn't going to change it either.
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#8 Mar 29 2007 at 8:47 AM Rating: Good
Limiting what you can topic about just makes it that much more difficult for Joe to reach his lifes dream of one million posts...
Please dont take that away.
#9 Mar 29 2007 at 12:05 PM Rating: Default
Well, for starters:

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but didnt you spend alot of time on this post, which you kinda criticised other for?

Completely true =) i did waste time, but i wasted it for a cause other than to bring up the same old facts, i highly doubt anyone likes to continuously read these stupid "Eq is going to die" threads.

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What if what I want to do is criticize the direction EQ is heading in and opine on how to change it?


Well, I am pretty sure there is a /feedback option in game, and an email listed on EQ players, so how about you complain to the ones who actually have control? EQ dosent read this stuff, and even if they did they cant validate the complaint unless its sent to them.

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I've gone about that elsewhere. I just don't get the "Stop talking about it!" attitude. Not mentioning it isn't going to change it either.


No, it wont change it, but theres other options, seriously. Noone wants to Hear about what you or your friends would do to change it, or why eq is doing bad, We are all in the game here; We all know the problems, we have opinions on the issue, constantly brining it up on people who already know and dont care is just useless spam.
#10 Mar 29 2007 at 12:34 PM Rating: Decent
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I understand Zhasa's viewpoint for the most part, its one thing when it is a single thread that people are venting their concerns and issues in, but when people are springing a new one to life while 2-3 others are still semi-regularly being posted in, whats the point?
#11 Mar 29 2007 at 12:41 PM Rating: Default
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I understand Zhasa's viewpoint for the most part, its one thing when it is a single thread that people are venting their concerns and issues in, but when people are springing a new one to life while 2-3 others are still semi-regularly being posted in, whats the point?


Exactly, even one mega-thread of complaints would be better than the **** load these forms get every day. Thats my main complaint
#12 Mar 29 2007 at 12:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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Zhasacoolcleric wrote:
Well, I am pretty sure there is a /feedback option in game, and an email listed on EQ players, so how about you complain to the ones who actually have control?
Quite honestly, I'd give equal odds to anyone from SOE giving a rat's *** about my opinions via /feedback as they do when they're posted here or on the official forums or written onto a Dixie Riddle cup. Sometimes you just want to share your opinions among fellow players/posters.
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constantly brining it up on people who already know and dont care is just useless spam.
Well, it'd be a shame if those threads from two weeks ago got knocked off the front page, I'll give you that Smiley: dubious
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#13 Mar 29 2007 at 1:15 PM Rating: Default
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Quite honestly, I'd give equal odds to anyone from SOE giving a rat's *** about my opinions via /feedback as they do when they're posted here or on the official forums or written onto a Dixie Riddle cup. Sometimes you just want to share your opinions among fellow players/posters.


Sometimes? you call, 2-3 subjects a day Sometimes? If you want to share your opinions, then post it on a already made subject about it (god knows its not hard to find one) so that we dont have to see these damn Subjects popping up every day.

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Well, it'd be a shame if those threads from two weeks ago got knocked off the front page, I'll give you that


Oh, im sorry, i forgot that personal opinions come before actual things or questions about the game, ill try to remeber that your greedy opinions are worth more than the game itself =P

Edited, Mar 29th 2007 5:16pm by Zhasacoolcleric
#14 Mar 29 2007 at 2:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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Zhasacoolcleric wrote:
Sometimes? you call, 2-3 subjects a day Sometimes?
I'd call five threads (out of fifty on the front page) in a ten day period "sometimes". And I was being generous by calling one of those five an "EQ is dying" thread.

I guess your point works better when you exaggerate and make stuff up though.
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Oh, im sorry, i forgot that personal opinions come before actual things or questions about the game
There's no questions getting bumped off the front page due to rant threads or any other kind of thread. There's still posts on the front page from the 19th, for Christ's sake.
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#15 Mar 29 2007 at 3:28 PM Rating: Default
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I'd call five threads (out of fifty on the front page) in a ten day period "sometimes". And I was being generous by calling one of those five an "EQ is dying" thread.

I guess your point works better when you exaggerate and make stuff up though.


Oh, so im exaggerating now? there may not be 3 new ones everday, but it shouldnt take 3 a day for somone to realize that its getting anoying, even a ****** could figure that out

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There's no questions getting bumped off the front page due to rant threads or any other kind of thread. There's still posts on the front page from the 19th, for Christ's sake.

It dosent matter when it was last repliyed to or written. Its about the content. Bbots 7th anneversary info was posted a year ago, but its in front page because PEOPLE USE IT. Because, unlike you, There are people who want Quest info instead of a bunch of clustered Threads on how horrible eq is. And if you have a problem with my "point" then dont respond, because there are a few people who already posted who agree with me, and after all, it is my OPINION. =P

Edited, Mar 29th 2007 7:29pm by Zhasacoolcleric
#16 Mar 29 2007 at 3:35 PM Rating: Default
Oh, and by the way, as of March 29, 2007 There are 5 threads concerning the matter of how horrible eq is (Threads talking about what should be fixed, what to do, etc.) 1 of them involves a service used for eq through Soe and the rest are rants about how poor the game is becoming and how tough it is to find groups and people who play, etc.

Now, if your somone who wants to play the game, why do you have to be subjected to multiple posts on the same damn thing? Ill agree with you that it is their opinion, just as much as this is mine (and a few others) But it would be alot better if there was just a thread where everyone could rant about how bad eq is becoming without a clutter of junk for the others who do want to play. Besides, the people would get better results from somone who agrees with them, not somone who wants to play the game, failing or no.
#17 Mar 29 2007 at 3:47 PM Rating: Decent
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You're wanting a "how bad EQ" sticky? I personally want a "use of the contraction you are (you're) and the word your (second person possessive) sticky" so that I don't see people continually misusing your for you're on 5 threads on the front page! Seriously though I am sick of the eq is dieing threads and I've stated this on all of them, admins locked one not too long ago stating there were too many of them. It was started by some tard that blames all the ills of EQ on boxers so luckily I got my shots in at him before it was locked. I'll do so again on his latest "boxers are evil and EQ sucks" post shortly.
#18 Mar 29 2007 at 3:55 PM Rating: Default
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You're wanting a "how bad EQ" sticky? I personally want a "use of the contraction you are (you're) and the word your (second person possessive) sticky" so that I don't see people continually misusing your for you're on 5 threads on the front page!


Hehe That was a good one, my grammar usage is less than Ogre =) was trying to type fast to make sure they would see my response
#19 Mar 29 2007 at 7:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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Oh, so im exaggerating now?
By saying that there's 2-3 per day when there has been around one every two days? Yeah.
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It dosent matter when it was last repliyed to or written.
Of course it does. The point is that no one is missing out on a chance to read a thread and no one's threads are getting spammed off the front page. In other words, there's no negative effect to the five threads except that you don't like them.
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And if you have a problem with my "point" then dont respond
I think what you're looking for is called a "blog". This is a forum where people are able to respond to posts.
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#20 Mar 29 2007 at 8:35 PM Rating: Decent
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sigh....I was this close to starting a "Why Allahk's Eq board is dying" thread, but then someone surely wouldn't have gotten the joke in it all and more of a mess would have ensued.

Anyways, it isn't that someone should be lynched or anything for starting a repetitive topic, but boy would it be nice if they would just look 5 threads under the new one they are about to throw out there and see one that pretty much fits what they are going for.

It is no different than all the "returning to eq" threads that were/are/will be popping up around here left and right. After a while ad nauseum tends to set in, especially for such a heated topic as this....
#21 Mar 29 2007 at 10:43 PM Rating: Default
Someone seriously needs to take you people outside and hit you with a brick. Your like the villagers that wont get on the boat to america cause you have grown attached to the taste of rat, or have the biggest dirt pile in the town and want to keep it that way. How many years of your life do you need to be standing around in pok changing the camera angle to see how many people are staring at your epic 2.0? no seriously im asking cause by the looks of it, indefinate. Warcraft was way better, (yeah yeah it is), omg new graphics run away back to rivenvale and stand at the forge for 5 hours. Vanguard is cooler then WoW, (yeah wow people it is). Its called "evolution" a term thats lost on mmorpg , cause they get way to attached to there virtual crap. But but I gotta stick around to see fabled mayong mistmoor, i bet his ring has 550 hp! Im not saying jump around like a gaming mercenary and play the shiniest game out there, but at least at some point say, hey instead of reading this same book that adds another chapter every year, why not pick up a different story and take a chance. I look at EQ like the simpsons, something that should of ended gracefully, but didnt due to addicts and the money grubbers that control it. So really, If you been playing since beta, your soul is already dead and your done for, but if you have a chance, GET out! run for it before it devours your youth and sudenly your playing a cleverly disguised EQ2.

Bezelek lvl 20 bard vanguard
Bezelek lvl ?? ???? warhammer

"nah think im gonna keep playing EQ2, I hear vanguard is buggy"
"EQ2 is so buggy im gonna keep playing EQ1"
"Sounds cool but im staying in WoW, The pvp blows everything away, besides I hear vanguard is buggy"

and im guessing in the future
"haha noway im not gonna play that buggy *** warhammer, im sticking to vanguard"
oh well maybe ill just go play pong, it has like...no lag.
#22 Mar 30 2007 at 6:39 AM Rating: Default
Poor Heitash,
So sad to see someone leave the game but still can't walk away completly. Must be frustrating making posts about a dead game he no longer plays...
Very sad...
We maybe not as sad as grammar police...jezz...get over it...all you do is demonstrate that you nothing to add to the topic.
#23 Mar 31 2007 at 7:28 AM Rating: Decent
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If you been playing since beta, your soul is already dead and your done for, but if you have a chance, GET out! run for it before it devours your youth and sudenly your playing a cleverly disguised EQ2.


That means I am an undead gamer now. There should be some type of AA for this./petition
#24 Apr 01 2007 at 9:14 AM Rating: Decent
I have posted what some people may consider "complaints" about EQ dying.

It is all a matter of persepctive.

Personally I love EQ. I am playing it again after 3 years of not playing because of all the memories the game holds for me. My first real guild action was in EQ. My first big time MMO raid was in EQ. My first experience leading allot of people in game action was in EQ. My first experience being part of guild leadership and forging the destiny of a guild was from EQ. There were MMOs before EQ but the feeling of getting everyone on the same page, organizing all the sub-teams of people so the overall Raid was on the same page to take down the mob was a WONDERFUL feeling unlike any other I have experienced in gameplay. Even when defeat was felt, going back to the guild boards, managing the strats, making adjustments and coming back again until finally success was realized!

This is what a MMO is about imo. I know many people who enjoy MMOs and never had raided but to me, this is what MMO is about. To me one of the happiest days of gameplay was way back when my guild finally took down Aary and we then had the right to go kill the other dragons in the zone. It was real late when we finally killed him but almost the entire guild stayed up as late as we could to clear as many dragons as we could because that was our reward for taking down Aary.

I think in terms of content EQ offers more then any other game out there.

My complaints are honestly more about getting people back into EQ then whining about a game. My posts are about solutions, what should be done, not just whining about something I see wrong with no solution.

MMOs have changed since the glory days of EQ. Game companies need to change with the times or their product will fail. This is not different then every other market in the world. You need to adapt to change or die.

I know some people would like to cling to their great game as long as possible even if it means going down to one server and having to get 3 guilds together to get the most basic of raiding done. Other game companies would love this as well.

Personally if I had the cash and resources I would buy EQ and make the changes I feel it needs because I think allot of people would play EQ if it was more to their liking.

EQ has so much to offer in terms of gameplay. More then probably any other single electronic game - with graphics - today (I have not played every single game so can not say this forsure but I have played allot).

The sad thing for me is it does not have to go the way it is currently going. I mean one day it will have to go away. It will just be so different graphically and gamestyle that it will have to go. That day is not here yet.
#25 Apr 10 2007 at 2:40 AM Rating: Decent
After reading deilans post about the fabled newb, I have to say I am disappointed and saddened. It seems to me that every mother@#%^er is ******** about EQ dying and no new players and It's disguisting. I have only playing EQ for maybe about a year, with a six month hiatus in there and I can recall how it feels to be a newb.

So starting now I am making my goal in EQ to help every person I can, no matter what it takes. My name is Enib Faxmachine and I play on the Combine server so if any new players want to come and play, join the combine and send me a tell (/tell enib) and I will do everything in my power to make your EQ experience a memorable one.

I hope to see you in game.

Edited, Apr 10th 2007 3:40am by Rjork
#26 Apr 10 2007 at 5:01 AM Rating: Decent
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Why start another thread like this? I know the OP had good intentions of stopping these kind of threads, but really all you have done is started yet another one :( All the old flamers, from all the old threads like this, just perked up and sharped their cyber-pens when they saw this thread up.

I liked Dellan's post though. It is a point that shouldn't be overlooked because it is the main factor that is hurting EQ. The people who made the game great back in the day, are the same people who are hurting the game today. Back in the day they were newbie's too you know, back then people were helpful to new players. I could tell a quite few stories about peoples kindness to me as a newbie in 2002.
These people today, if even still playing, are not friendly to newbies at all. Now they are upar raiders , and everyone who came after them sucks and is a pos... alot of hate. I've seen it over and over again. I personally cannot stand the ego's of some you.. least we forget we are 'all' sitting in front of a comp playing a video game!!
I recently left a reputable high-end raiding guild. The guild was a good guild and most of its members are good people. But, the raids became stressful and just not fun for me. It was not the content or the game mechanics that made it unpleastant... it was the people & the ******** & whining & finger-pointing & ego-trips and the drama that goes along with all of that garbage. It is amazing how people will act in a video-game... full grown adults acting like 5 yr olds in a sand-box.

Anyways, cudo's to Dellan and other like us who do show new players kindness and show others respect. That is what makes this game enjoyable... not the last uper loot you got, or the last raid kill. At least not for me : )
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