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#102 Mar 07 2007 at 12:30 PM Rating: Decent
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This is generalization, stereotyping and just plain prejudice.


No, I don't think so. When I try over and over and over again to find a few people to help me do anything that's not in the last 2 expansions and can't find anyone except maybe one or two good friends willing to take a few hours away from the last 2 expansions to help out, that is clear evidence that most people are self-centred and greedy.

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If you blame your inability to accomplish a goal on other people you leave yourself optionless.


LOL. This makes no sense. Many things in EverQuest simply cannot be done solo. If nobody is willing to help, I am indeed optionless, or in other words, SOL.

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Each individual plays to meet some goal or need of their own, they don't play to reach <other people's> goals.


That's the problem. Most people only care about their own goals, and don't care diddly-squat about helping anyone else, even when there is a bit of exp and loot involved. If everyone thought that way, then nobody would be able to get anything done at all, so thank goodness there are still a few people around willing to help others accomplish things.

I notice that nobody is talking about newcomers to EQ, or even alts. How can a total newcomer to EQ ever hope to accomplish stuff like PoP flagging when nobody wants to do it anymore? How can people's alts ever hope to get to get keys and flags or even get the DoD spell missions done when nobody is willing to help?

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#103 Mar 07 2007 at 2:18 PM Rating: Decent
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If you blame your inability to accomplish a goal on other people you leave yourself optionless.


LOL. This makes no sense. Many things in EverQuest simply cannot be done solo. If nobody is willing to help, I am indeed optionless, or in other words, SOL.


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#104 Mar 07 2007 at 6:39 PM Rating: Decent
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I think the requirements should stay, however I feel that modifying the "difficulty" so that a single, well-rounded group could do it. On my server, there is only one guild that I can think of that is doing them. There are a couple that are doing back-flagging and flagging new toons. But as a whole, no guilds are doing them regularly.

I would love to see the Plane of Time. But, I have never been in a guild nor had the time to sit in a raid to do all that was required. When I did have the time to do it, no one wanted to. Those that I could find that could/would do it, there werent enough of them to do it.

So my opinion is, modify the difficulty so one good group, perhaps 2 good groups could do it.
#105 Mar 08 2007 at 3:52 AM Rating: Decent
I voted Everything except Time. Reasoning being that yes i did do it the hard way back in the day. BUT i really dont want to do it again i spent 2 years of my life going through POP and helping others do the same. I think that the game has gone a ways past the gear that drops in Time. Although i'm still wearing a Quarm drop untill i get somthing better from Tacvi or Anguish. My guild is Currently farming anguish and begining to start the DODh stuff now.

But for goodness sake make it so that all U have to do is kill the Elemental gods to get into Time. POP is wasteland now just like LDON except all of your lvl 65 drops require drops from BOT and higher. Yeah there are still people looking for POP spelz and a Few drops like the Pet procing wepons that are more than worth going into the elemental planes for.

Give our up and comming NOOBS "yeah there quite a few around" a chance to see some of the fun that we now take for granted. As far as VT goes that quest is still a bugger and will be worth having as soon as the fabled mobs start poping up again..... Leave GoD flagging alone thats where U lean "HOW TO RAID" just like POP was way back when.
#106 Mar 08 2007 at 3:57 PM Rating: Default
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#107 Mar 08 2007 at 8:10 PM Rating: Default
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I help people all the time. If you knew me, played with me and so forth, you would know that for fact. I have probably helped more people, even across servers, than few others have before.


i 2nd that... My Guild use to hold a bunch of Pop flagging things and we recently got time flagged and just 2 weeks ago Qvic flagged.. but GOMN ( or bonzz) came on many of these raids, or made one himself, and got many people flagged. Also we hold raids usually for loot and junk in TOB and such and he tags along to help because he is such a nice guy. He tries to get many in and because he thinks you should have to earn it doesnt mean he looks down on them and thinks hes a bad person and looks down on others... Geez man



-Hardolmer from Bertoxx....

Edited, Mar 8th 2007 11:11pm by hardolmer
#108 Mar 10 2007 at 7:55 AM Rating: Decent
Keep it as it is. You want in -- put a bit of effort into the game like the rest of us did. The 85/15 rule has been in effect for over 2 years now and allowed some of the Tier 2 and Tier 3 guilds in without just opening the game to all. It is a good comprimise.

I can't imagine how gimp PoP progression would be with 5 extra levels (70-75) and spells and 1 groupable Anguish-type gear in later expansions (like TBS)

Many of the PoP events have been 1-3 groupable for some time now -- and that was BEFORE level 75 came out. There are MANY stories of people soloing TZ and one grouping LMM sans hacks -- it CAN be done.

You have access to quite a few zones via Levels alone (gimp but it has been like that for awhile so I wont hack on it too much). You want more....get a group or two together and experience the progression like the rest of us did.... but be happy because you can do it with 1/3 of the force that we had to use as little as 2 years ago.

People want access to the end content because they cant get the forces together to get their themselves... Question is -- if you were granted access all of a sudden then what? You are going to have the forces to do all the PoTime content or do you want that nerfed beyond what being level 75 is already doing becauese you cant find the forces to do any of the events?

The game is expanding yes -- so unless their membership increases with EVERY expansion pack -- by default the characters per zone will drop... simple math. I stroll around zones Pre-Pop now and then and see that I am the only one in 4-5 consecutive zones, shall I clamor on about how they need to revamp West Commonlands because it is underused?
#109 Mar 10 2007 at 10:39 AM Rating: Decent
Open it up. You guys act as if Plane of Time is opened up people are going to be in there soloing gods. It will still take a grp or raid to do stuff (at least for the people that can actually use the gear).

Let people who never could experience the zones when it was new content see it now.

I've raided Time on two diffrent chars and I don't see what the big deal is.
#110 Mar 10 2007 at 7:37 PM Rating: Decent
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At first i thought it was a good idea to provide others with an easier route to get into " new " content without to much hassle. however, as time has gone by i remember the anguish of doing those events and the reward of it when it was all complete. So in my opinion i think its like a slap in the face for all the hard times many guilds went through to get there " flags " done for pop era zones and it shouldnt be given away so easy now. i also have that same feeling for the " gates of discord " era also. now many peeps didnt go through Uqua at lvl 65 like i painfully went through and now at lvl 75 those that can now win the event have no idea what the suffering was like at lvl 65, so in general peeps getting the " easy " route out now to me hurts cause of all the work. I know many that share the same fustrations as I did in those days.
#111 Mar 11 2007 at 1:26 PM Rating: Decent
Not that I voted, but if I would have, I would have voted to make changes. I went through all the progressions and such, but times change. I would say scaling down the encounters to make them doable by 2 or 3 groups of average geared players would be great. The encounters shouldn't be easy for these people, just doable. There is no reason only hardcore raid guilds should be able to see certain raid encounters, especially one's that are so old. Not everyone wants to spend their entire day/life playing EQ. However, they pay the same monthly fee and should have the option to see some of the same content, especially content mostly forgotten by the majority of the player base. I can easily think of quite a few small guilds that would love to see all of the PoP progression, but cannot because they lack numbers for the encounters. I know that with gear obtainable now required numbers would be less, but finding adequate amounts of the needed classes is hard for some guilds. The so called 'uber' guilds basically have their pick of any toons they want because they can offer more like easy keys/better loot. I say give the smaller guilds the opportunity to enjoy these expansions that have been forgotten about and scale down the difficulty. This would still require progression and work, but with smaller numbers.

Also, there should be quests to open up all of the zones (minus Time) for EXP only to everyone.
#112 Mar 12 2007 at 8:37 AM Rating: Decent
I've been leading my guild through PoP Progresion for the last few months, and we've broken into the Elemental Planes. We've killed Fennin Ro and are working on PoA rings and PoE trials atm. We raid 2 days per week (1 on PoP content and 1 on Epic 1.5's) with plans to move on to GoD, Omens, and DoN Tier3+ content soon. If a group of people wants to complete their Time flagging from scratch, it can still be done, even for the most casual of guilds, and not just through open raiding channels.

Like others, I see EP and PoTime access as the reward for completing the progression quest. Only this reward is, IMO, better than any quest you might do for loot, exp, etc. Over time, you will replace the gear you obtained from Quest01. These flags, on the other hand, are never truely replaced. Sure, you may move on to other zones over time and the gear from these zones may become nearly obsolete. But, so long as the Planar Progression quest is preserved, the sense of accomplishment will also be preserved, not only for those who have already done it, but also for those who are currently doing it and for those who will do it in the future.

IMO, too much of this game is being given away by reducing requirments and, to my knowledge, this has not helped any issues with population. In fact, it tends to do the opposite. Why do any quest when you know that, if you wait long enough, they'll just give the reward to everyone? If PoP Progression were simply a timesink and required no skill whatsoever, then I wouldn't have an issue with it being opened entirely. But it does take skill and thinking to build a group of players up into a force that can defeat this content. The earlier events can simply be zerged, but the later ones are still challenging to a group of players who have not completed the progression before. We do it with an average of 24 characters, about a quarter of which have done some of the events before, and some of the events still give us a run for our money, even at lvl 70-75 with primarily TSS/PoR/DoDh/DoN single-groupable gear.

I voted to open up all zones EXCEPT the Elemental Planes and Time, because this preserves the Planar Progression quest for a guild who has never done it before, while making it a little easier to get super casual members into the raid for zones like HoHb. This way the guild can still progress despite the fact that a few members may continuously miss certain prerequisites up to the EP's. Once you hit the EP's it stays as it is now.

Aside from that, I have to disagree with the way the results of this poll are presented on the updates page of this site. 34% is NOT a majority. It IS a plurality, but the way the poll is broken down almost guaranteed that opening up all zones would get more votes than any other option. A more accurate way to read the results would be to say that a majority (66%) think that the flagging requirements should remain for AT LEAST PoTime, with a majority of those (49% of total voters) feeling that the flagging requirements should remain for MORE than just the Plane of Time.
#113 Mar 12 2007 at 7:06 PM Rating: Decent
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I for ONE would like to see these zones
I understand some folks being a lil pissed as they worked hard to get in there and I applaud you for it.
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I can find noone that does it ,i can find no help on anything id like to do in EQ anymore ,If i cant solo it i cant have it ,its my knew look on EQ.
Ive been in a few guilds and not 1 has been worth a crap ,either i have play every day and attend every event(raid )to get anything.

1st Guild had attend ever raid ,had ask for Guild grp daily ( couldnt get 1 tho ) or you lose points and most had 700 or more and needed 150 to get epic help ,got close to 150 and G-leader raised points to 350,was in this guild 5 months not once did i receive 1 item ,let alone get a grp.( wouldnt let me have a drop in PoSky because i didnt have points so it rotted)

2nd guild family was ok got grps ,but no help on epic 1.0 all to busy .

3rd Nice family guild again great folks ,got grps and no epic help.

4th Family guild run by a Friend was ok at 1st and got epic(1.0) help ,but soon we clashed and i moved on( i like respect and show it,so believe i should get it as well)

5th This Guild was prolly the best ,got a few grps made officer than , over RL issues and EQ issues sorta got a lil pissed and ,told a purely MMed( 1 to 60 all MMed in 1 month) toon off and i left in badfaith(burned a nice bridge ,very sorry but what is done is done,cant change it now ,folks dont forgive in EQ )

6th Was a Top guild but the greed was way to much for me ,had a officer who would make the stupidest deccessions ever on loot,got grps often but either as soon as i got there ,they would spilt within 5 minutes or i get killed by a dumb move (not mine) and grp would split or if grp lasted this allways got me ,nobody asked if the loot that dropped was a upgrade all would roll ,1 lady even looged a alt to get a drop and i knew she had it on 3 other alts ,just to sell when it was a nice upgrade to me ,when i got asked to a grp by Leader he had log so he gave lead to a Officer ,officer had 2 guys with him ,he runs off and Druid pulls a named ,he wipes us as we not ready Officer gets mad and Logs ,no word just up and logs,so i just up a left as well.

7th guild Friend starts it up want me to help build it and help lead,I say cool and than we never speak again LOL all he did was run with his Higher lvl buds (piggy into Planes to get gear and link it to me)wife does MMS all day and night ,wanted me do every thing for guild <think just thought they would get rich ,is only reason for the guild.

8th I am hesitant ask lots of questions and they answer all very well and seems be like my last stop ,so i think, i forgot ask about loot distribution ( know 2 other rangers that just joined within days of me)and all loot goes to them ,i asked how do you hand out loots ,she says oh you ask and link your gear and i decide who gets it and you wont be receiveing any loot till you are with us a few weeks ,I say but Ma'm i know both the other rangers very well and no im but 2 or 3 days behind them and youve awarded 5 loots to them in 3 days and not once offered to me and i asked the Officer he never once replied to me ,well next im in tells with her Husband and other members saying im not seeing it right they were in guild longer and as 1 is an officer so he naturally gets 1st pick.so again i left ,didnt seem right to me .

Ok so i would more than happily do these Planes access's the right way ,but ive yet to be treated fairly in any Guild or receive help from anyone when i really asked for it Ive made plans with some and when that day comes like 4 or 5 show up for my epic hit(1.5),so if i cant get a simple group together for my Epic ,Ill never get any grps to help me access Planes.
SO i vote lighten it up a bit I dont want a hand out ,but sence this game is so damn greedy anymore and if it dosent benefit ( i had pay a grp to get SEoC 1k a peice) the 1s helping they not gonna help ,how can i access these planes.
The 100 or more epics ive done did not benefit me in anyway and all i wanted is for them to remember i helped them and do same for me ,But there is no Karma in EQ its all me me me me me and My epic dosent benefit anyone else,nor does my access to Planes benefit anyone else ,so if it dosent benefit anyone else how the hell am i gonna access the planes or my epic.

Oh and to those that will say Epic's suck and there is better weapons out there ,( I want the pride of haveing my epics and like to have the pride of accessing Planes the correct way as well)True there is but than again it come's down to finding a grp to help me get those and than hoping that the grp isnt full a GREED before need or i can buy pp,which is why the economy sucks in EQ anyways hell you have have 250k to but some spells now above lvl 70 why ???????? so The guy can sell his plat to a plat seller,to farther mess this game up .
Rant off and Good day to you all and God blesss those that do help , you are far to few in a game that requires help to accomplish anything.
Im a casual player,so i dont have time to say ill be on every night at 6 pm to attend that mandatory raid or ya drop me from guild,work is also preventing me from playing at this time.
#114 Mar 13 2007 at 6:24 AM Rating: Decent
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8th I am hesitant ask lots of questions and they answer all very well and seems be like my last stop ,so i think, i forgot ask about loot distribution ( know 2 other rangers that just joined within days of me)and all loot goes to them ,i asked how do you hand out loots ,she says oh you ask and link your gear and i decide who gets it and you wont be receiveing any loot till you are with us a few weeks ,I say but Ma'm i know both the other rangers very well and no im but 2 or 3 days behind them and youve awarded 5 loots to them in 3 days and not once offered to me and i asked the Officer he never once replied to me ,well next im in tells with her Husband and other members saying im not seeing it right they were in guild longer and as 1 is an officer so he naturally gets 1st pick.so again i left ,didnt seem right to me .



Dude, you can't be in a guild for less than a week, and decide.. " Hey i think i need my epic and gear" You gotta be in the guild to earn it. And guild hopping isn't going to get you there either. The officers decide who gets armor.. if you think its unfair you gotta deal with it because they are higher in power. Thats how things work in, not only the game, but in the world. If you didn't guild hop like a **** i think you would have 1.5 and time flagged by now. But you have gone through Eight, EIGHT guilds.... thats rediculous
#115 Mar 13 2007 at 7:22 AM Rating: Decent
Have to say I voted to open up planes, atleast give alt groupable access but to think that you will ever get back even a part of what you give is just a dream. I the years i have played I cannot tell how many different quest/raids I have helped with so that a person can get whatever they were looking for. I am certain that in many cases the favor has not been returned but it is not worth the time to dwell on it. If you want total fairness in a MMORPG you may be waiting a long time. Best thin I can suggest to you is start your own guild and establish your own set of guidlines for how the guild cnducts itself and then go from there. I do not think the game is 100% me me me, but it is a game where you gotta look out for yourself. If you are expecting others to to do it you will be disappointed I suspect. I have several friends in this game who have helped me along the way and many I have helped as well but I don't think I would still be playing if I measured you my success by the amount of return I got from time I spent helping others. It is just a fact of lfe I believe. Remember these people you play against are just toon on a screen nless you know them outside the game how well do you really know them?

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#116 Apr 19 2007 at 12:40 PM Rating: Default
Kinda funny no matter how much "evolving" people seem to mention EQ never gets any better. Just easier with more exp and stat inflation. If people want access to Plane of Time then let them jump through hoops, that's the way it was meant to be. If you want instant gobs of stats then pass up PoP, it's that simple...

Liveye (lvl 70 Wizard)
#117 Apr 19 2007 at 4:44 PM Rating: Decent
Leave your rule sets alone, EQ. There are so damned few really difficult things left in the game that cannot be bought on Ebay or the likes, as was said in previous posts. I might consider an alternate way of becoming flagged, as it has become much more difficult to find others to join you in becoming flagged; however, it should remain very difficult and fraught with peril.

No, I am not flagged. No, I don't think I ever will be. Yes, I will have survive my meager existence having not seen PoT. Relaxed rules will mean only that it is no longer something for which to strive. Kinda like any quest in WoW.
#118 Aug 13 2007 at 10:40 AM Rating: Default
My vote is to open them up, with all the new areas out there pop is allmost allways deserted. This might bring back some of its former luster.
#119 Aug 13 2007 at 10:56 AM Rating: Default
EQ is slowly and constantly shrinking. these zones, along with 95 percent of the rest of the game are completly abandoned for the most part..

there is no good argumentfor leaving them difficult to access unless you really just want to game to die and no one else to see any of it before it dies.

and they shouldnt stop at the flags. look around ingame people. no one is grouping much. dropping the flags wont get people into those zones either. mabe some one might try going in for a looksie, but it will take a hell of alot more than dropping the flags if you actually want to see people in them.

how about a poll asking if they think SOE should revamp ALL of the pre level 65 content to solo content. ALL of it. soloing is what 9 million people are doing in WoW, and what most players in EQ1 are doing too. you want to see people in those zones, dropping the flags isnt going to do it, but its a start. its going to take some serious "vision tm" changes to get people back into EQ.
#120 Aug 13 2007 at 11:42 AM Rating: Decent
the progression quests suck horribly. ***** everything below elemental. Make some altrnate reward for them or something, make elementals req. lvl 65, and keep same thing for time.
#121 Aug 13 2007 at 3:54 PM Rating: Good
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shadowrelm wrote:
soloing is what 9 million people are doing in WoW,


If I wanted soloing I would play WoW, and not Everquest. If SOE turned EQ into a simplistic solofest by tuning down all the difficulty, EQ then becomes an old, outdated version of WoW. Which, in my opinion, would kill it faster than anything else.

You seem to have no grasp of how many of us players that actually (gasp) enjoy EQ the way it is nowadays, would be alienated by such uninspired changes.
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