Hi there!
I am looking at rerolling a baby alt and looking at alternatives and would like some input.
What are the down sides of an Ikky BST? What is the 'pet freeze' thing I've seen mentioned? What are the upsides?
How 'soloable' are Rogues? Does a Dwarf's size make things harder or easier? Upsides and downsides?
I'm not a fan of INT casters, I have a Necro that I like but the idea of spending the small amout of time I get to play doing research doesn't appeal to me. Plus I tend to enjoy mixing it up in melee, not good when you try out a Gnome Wizard, they don't survive mad charges in to battle well! ;)
A Warrior might be of intrigue but I do tend to solo a bit and I'm not sure how they do. I know there are potions now but plat is tight at times so buying a lot of potions to solo is kinda hard.
Anyway, I'm hoping to tap the collected wisdom of the forum for positives, negative and thoughts before rerolling.
Thanks!
Edited, Feb 15th 2007 2:03pm by phnxkeep
- Forums
- EverQuest
- General Discussion
- Ikky BST or?
Ikky BST or?Follow
Hello and welcome to the game. EQ needs all the new players it can get. Let me address you questions as best I can.
As far as beastlords go they are a great class. If you like melee as I do they are not just the best solo option but really the only option. As far as iksar or not iksar I would say no. Back in the day their increased ac and regen were highly coveted. However eq has given all classes and races uber regen now. Since Iksar have a massive xp penalty (20%) it just isnt worth it. Groups are hard to find in eq so you will level very slowly so the xp penalty would waste your time.
I would reccomend a vah shir or if the new race can be a bst then by all means try one of them. Just no ogres, trolls or ikky's because of the massive penalty.
Rogue and warriors are impossible to solo beyond level 30 or so.
Necro and beastlord are both classes I would reccomend for new players because of their soloability. I think you are on the right path.
As far as beastlords go they are a great class. If you like melee as I do they are not just the best solo option but really the only option. As far as iksar or not iksar I would say no. Back in the day their increased ac and regen were highly coveted. However eq has given all classes and races uber regen now. Since Iksar have a massive xp penalty (20%) it just isnt worth it. Groups are hard to find in eq so you will level very slowly so the xp penalty would waste your time.
I would reccomend a vah shir or if the new race can be a bst then by all means try one of them. Just no ogres, trolls or ikky's because of the massive penalty.
Rogue and warriors are impossible to solo beyond level 30 or so.
Necro and beastlord are both classes I would reccomend for new players because of their soloability. I think you are on the right path.
I was under the impression that the racial penalties had been removed?
This is what it looked like based on several threads I saw here and elsewhere, am I mistaken?
Also, so as not to proceed under false pretenses, I have been playing for a while. My main is only 41 but most of my alts are between 20 and 30.
I was afraid of the WAR/ROG soloing problem, I was hoping I was wrong or there was a way around ti. Darn.
This is what it looked like based on several threads I saw here and elsewhere, am I mistaken?
Also, so as not to proceed under false pretenses, I have been playing for a while. My main is only 41 but most of my alts are between 20 and 30.
I was afraid of the WAR/ROG soloing problem, I was hoping I was wrong or there was a way around ti. Darn.
32 posts
According to this update > link < , from Sept 16, race xp penalties have been removed. The regen is nice, but OOC regen makes up for it. Just remember as an ikky, no one likes you. But, play what you like.
Edited, Feb 15th 2007 2:39pm by portercm
Edited, Feb 15th 2007 2:39pm by portercm
34 posts
dracobars said: Not true. They cannot solo as well as other classes, but with potions and new regen, you can solo if you have to. Stop saying it is impossible to solo this class or that class. True, if you were going to be exclusive solo, look at other classes first, but these are not impossible, and actually quite easy to solo to past 30 these days with the gear available now.
After level 50 the game changes for everyone and grouping is much more advantageous for all classes, but even still, not impossible to solo. I solo my 55 rogue in many places if groups are hard to find. I soloed almost the entire way from level 50 to 54 in the Dreadlands.
Are the race xp penalties still in place? Even so, Iksars get some nice quests that other races can only do with major faction work. Ikky Beastlords can quest a nice H2H weapon that procs a Frenzy-type buff.
Character size matters mostly when you are in large parties so dwarfs, halflings and gnomes do have a built in advantage being pre-shrunk for raids. It is a bit of an inconvience when fighting in places like Kael, having to jump up giant-size steps. Beastlords get a shrink spell :) so size is moot for that class.
Quote:
Rogue and warriors are impossible to solo beyond level 30 or so.
After level 50 the game changes for everyone and grouping is much more advantageous for all classes, but even still, not impossible to solo. I solo my 55 rogue in many places if groups are hard to find. I soloed almost the entire way from level 50 to 54 in the Dreadlands.
Are the race xp penalties still in place? Even so, Iksars get some nice quests that other races can only do with major faction work. Ikky Beastlords can quest a nice H2H weapon that procs a Frenzy-type buff.
Character size matters mostly when you are in large parties so dwarfs, halflings and gnomes do have a built in advantage being pre-shrunk for raids. It is a bit of an inconvience when fighting in places like Kael, having to jump up giant-size steps. Beastlords get a shrink spell :) so size is moot for that class.
With racial penalties removed, the only downsides to an Iksar beastlord is lower innate cold resistance and faction. And faction has been a joke since Luclin.
The benefits are higher innate AC, regeneration and.. umm... a base 100 in swimming. And your pet is pretty cool.
The benefits are higher innate AC, regeneration and.. umm... a base 100 in swimming. And your pet is pretty cool.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
With the removal of the racial experience penalties, there is really no reason not to play an iksar anymore. They are KoS most places, but you can avoid guards and outpost pretty easily and PoK makes it easy to sell junk off and move around the world in general. I personally choose a Barbarian for my beastlord alt, but if I had it to do over, or decide to reroll him I would very likely choose an iksar for the AC boost.
And to add to Jophiel's post, they also get forage as an innate ability(I'm pretty sure they do anyway.)
Jophiel wrote:
And your pet is pretty cool.
Not as cool as the Troll's pet Alligator though.
Yes, Ikky's do get forage. Think it caps at 50 or maybe 100 now????
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
The only reason my baby BST was Vah Shir was the exp penalty of the day.
I would seriously consider Ogre for the melee advantages (starting stats and no frontal stun). My friend played an Ogre BST on the Zeks and was very happy. Pain being so large sometimes.. but there are ways to deal with this.
On the larger topic of BST versus other Classes.. I think BST is a good first Class choice. You can heal and slow.. not "best" at either, but certainly "acceptable".
On the INT caster front.. you really could skip all the Research spells for a Necromancer. You would have more holes skipping them for a Wizard, but I bet you could there too.
I had a semi perfected Necromancer (3 expansions obsolete now) and I am not sure I would start one today, though.
Wizard now.. it was a blast to solo and quad kite. The downside was all the time to meditate to full. Gone with OOC regen. Think what you could do with a Ranger to snare (long duration, good resist mods) and a couple of Wizards taking turns nuking dry, then sitting OOC.
I would seriously consider Ogre for the melee advantages (starting stats and no frontal stun). My friend played an Ogre BST on the Zeks and was very happy. Pain being so large sometimes.. but there are ways to deal with this.
On the larger topic of BST versus other Classes.. I think BST is a good first Class choice. You can heal and slow.. not "best" at either, but certainly "acceptable".
On the INT caster front.. you really could skip all the Research spells for a Necromancer. You would have more holes skipping them for a Wizard, but I bet you could there too.
I had a semi perfected Necromancer (3 expansions obsolete now) and I am not sure I would start one today, though.
Wizard now.. it was a blast to solo and quad kite. The downside was all the time to meditate to full. Gone with OOC regen. Think what you could do with a Ranger to snare (long duration, good resist mods) and a couple of Wizards taking turns nuking dry, then sitting OOC.
With the exp penalty gone I would certainly play whatever race intrigues you the most. FOr my money the troll aligator is the funniest pet but hey whatever floats your boat.
... ok the semantics police are out in force again. How about this. It is painfully slow and self defeating trying to solo warriors and rogue past level 30 even with the gear / potions available these days. If it takes 10 hours to get a yellow "technically" you are still soloing I admit it. But to most people that wouldnt count.
.... Ouch. I weep for you.
Quote:
Not true. They cannot solo as well as other classes, but with potions and new regen, you can solo if you have to. Stop saying it is impossible to solo this class or that class. True, if you were going to be exclusive solo, look at other classes first, but these are not impossible, and actually quite easy to solo to past 30 these days with the gear available now.
... ok the semantics police are out in force again. How about this. It is painfully slow and self defeating trying to solo warriors and rogue past level 30 even with the gear / potions available these days. If it takes 10 hours to get a yellow "technically" you are still soloing I admit it. But to most people that wouldnt count.
Quote:
I soloed almost the entire way from level 50 to 54 in the Dreadlands.
.... Ouch. I weep for you.
34 posts
Quote:
It is painfully slow and self defeating trying to solo warriors and rogue past level 30 even with the gear / potions available these days.
Sorry but I am tired of hearing people pontificate on things when their information is out of date.
Always with you what cannot be done --Yoda
Quote:
Ouch. I weep for you.
11 posts
BST's ( nomatter what race you choose) are a great thing to have when you want to test out the DELETE button on the toon menu screen! i suppose another use for a PL'd BST would be that you could use it to sacrifice some necro rez stones.. other than those 2 things, BST = worthless. i suggest you read 'state of teh beastlord" thread for more info on why they suck butt
Quote:
Sorry wrong. It can be fun and challenging. No pain. You might even discover some attributes to classes otherwised overlooked and bring that to your group encounters.
Sorry but I am tired of hearing people pontificate on things when their information is out of date.
Sorry but I am tired of hearing people pontificate on things when their information is out of date.
... couldnt be happier for you that you enjoyed the very slow grind from 50 - 54 in the dreadlands soloing a non solo class. The fact that you did it in the dreadlands tells me all I need to know.
My comments about lack of soloability for warriors are not out of date now nor probably ever will be. I understand that you enjoyed the expoerience but my comments would reflect the opinion of the great majority of experienced players. Soloing a rogue and warrior past the early levels becomes very slow and self defeating period. Also re-read the op's comments and ask yourself how much plat you think he has to twink his new solo warrior. His top level character is level 41 probably not sitting on a few hundred k plat to twink with.
4 posts
Played iksar beastlord for a few years now, my favourite character by far. I love how they look and how the pet looks. There's a lot you can solo without having to drag other folks along, even more so later on with better gear. Haven't really raided past PoR so can't speak to that content, but a well played beastlord can definitely be valuable in a group or raid.
Besides, if you don't have fun with the character it don't much matter how wanted you are.
Besides, if you don't have fun with the character it don't much matter how wanted you are.
I know that the last vestiges of roll playing have just about vanished from the game, and my point of view is irrelevant as a result. But hey, I'll hang on to the past for as long as I can 
Although the beastlord is a very good class, with probably the most powerful pet now and a bunch of very good utility spells/abilities, all the playable races are just plain ugly and for the most part evil.
I certainly don't see my self as a cat, so will never play a Var Shir, the Barbarian model looks horrible to me, Ogres are too big and dumb, Trolls are to smelly and very ugly, have you seen their women?? Iksa look like something that should be squashed on sight and I certainly don't imagine myself as some sort of mutant lizard (their original graphics model was comical, which I have never forgotten
) which doesn't leave much option.
Humans should have been allowed to be beastlords, an old (and failed) argument I know. But I think it is a pity Drakkin's weren't made beastlord playable, I may have even considerd playing one of them. (Although they should have had wings and been able to fly
P.S. Barb women do not look ugly of course, but I just don't see myself as an Amazon
Edited, Feb 16th 2007 1:40am by Iluien
Edited, Feb 17th 2007 12:18am by Iluien
Although the beastlord is a very good class, with probably the most powerful pet now and a bunch of very good utility spells/abilities, all the playable races are just plain ugly and for the most part evil.
I certainly don't see my self as a cat, so will never play a Var Shir, the Barbarian model looks horrible to me, Ogres are too big and dumb, Trolls are to smelly and very ugly, have you seen their women?? Iksa look like something that should be squashed on sight and I certainly don't imagine myself as some sort of mutant lizard (their original graphics model was comical, which I have never forgotten
) which doesn't leave much option. Humans should have been allowed to be beastlords, an old (and failed) argument I know. But I think it is a pity Drakkin's weren't made beastlord playable, I may have even considerd playing one of them. (Although they should have had wings and been able to fly
P.S. Barb women do not look ugly of course, but I just don't see myself as an Amazon
Edited, Feb 16th 2007 1:40am by Iluien
Edited, Feb 17th 2007 12:18am by Iluien
1 post
Worthless? Clearly you dont have a clue.
Beastlords are the best all around class in my opinion. We can solo, slow, heal and tank(if you have the gear).
I have a 75 bst and I can tank almost anywhere with a good healer. The times that I play, tanks are hard to find, so with my tankage I am tank and slower, which means there's an open spot for more dps, and more dpe = faster kills!
Every class has it pros and cons, but a beast pros far outway the cons in my opinion.
Beastlords are the best all around class in my opinion. We can solo, slow, heal and tank(if you have the gear).
I have a 75 bst and I can tank almost anywhere with a good healer. The times that I play, tanks are hard to find, so with my tankage I am tank and slower, which means there's an open spot for more dps, and more dpe = faster kills!
Every class has it pros and cons, but a beast pros far outway the cons in my opinion.
Recent Visitors: 184
All times are in CST
Anonymous Guests (184)
- Forums
- EverQuest
- General Discussion
- Ikky BST or?
© 2024 Fanbyte LLC