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#1 Jan 05 2007 at 12:47 AM Rating: Decent
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I finally got my paladin going again. I have as good of gear as i am going to get unless i spend 1milK or find a way to double my raiding points in a week. But i do have a nice aug collection. Is there some kind of conversion rate for HP vs AC vs Shielding. Which seem to be my choices for augs right now. i have roughly 9750 HP, 2750 AC and 21%shielding. I should be doing emoush this week end to make it an even 10K HP. I have Jewel of Focus, and Gemstone of fiery might are my only two pure HP augs. Hivegrime stone of deflecting is my only shielding one. Blessed shard, 4 flame shield stones, hivegrime stone of avoidance, illsalin enforcer medal, Shiliskin Legion Battle Standard, 2 ore of stone strength, Saphire of bulwark, murkglider eyes and pendant of the overspirt. Think that is what i have equipped. Should i leave it, go for a big HP aug. Or ditch the 2 hp augs and the part shielding one and go for broke on AC augs. What i have in bank is +55 and down HP ones and a few +15 and +10 AC augs. Once i sell those left overs i should be sitting about 100K i hope. So i could go buy one or trade up too.

Thanx.
#2 Jan 05 2007 at 12:52 AM Rating: Decent
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You might want to ask this at The Steel Warrior or the paladin forum on Samanna's site - that's where I go to find info on this kind of question.
#3 Jan 06 2007 at 2:22 AM Rating: Decent
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AC is king, I don't know how many times I have to say it, or how many people can have access to that kind of gear before it sinks in. For your level of play the things you are tanking hit for 1.5k and up I'm sure. Even a 90 hp aug isn't going to make up for one hit you're taking, but AC decreases the amount of times you get hit, and the damage your going to take from every hit by decreasing the damage increment you're going to take. AC is better than any other stat you will ever see in the game. You have extremely high AC, I'm going to guess that's unbuffed since the HP to go with it is pretty low. Again, I'm unsure how you could have that high of an AC and even wonder which is more important. You could try evilgamer.net also, just if you post don't put your stats or your class because 1, they'll bag on you for being a pally and 2, they'll think you bought the account for having those stats paired with that question.

And to go back to the original question since I went off on a minor rant this is how shielding works in comparison with AC

When a mob hits you it takes it base damage number and multiplies it by damage increment. Base damage is a set number for the mob and DI is 1-20. Shielding takes away from base damage by whatever % you have. For ease of math say you have 10% shielding and a mobs base damage is 50. Without sheilding a mob with BD 50 can hit you for 50-1000 damage, with shielding that would be 45-900. Not a lifechanging difference, but AC will decrease the amount of times the mob actually lands a hit and it will decrease the DI based on your AC VS mobs ATTK rating. IMO AC>shielding>HP, HP is just a flashy number. My sk buffs to 14.8 or so with 2752 AC, I've never raided and I boxed my epic 1.5 with my wife. Last line for informational and braging purposes only.

Edited, Jan 6th 2007 11:37am by Srakeats
#4 Jan 06 2007 at 3:38 AM Rating: Decent
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I know AC is far superior. Was just wondering if it levels off at a certain point. Like AC > X and you no longer need to worry about AC and can focus on other stuff. I like tanking with high AC. Nothing better than hearing a cleric ask several times who is tanking because no one is taking damage. Helps that i use a Hopebringer with a siphon aug.
#5 Jan 06 2007 at 7:19 AM Rating: Decent
I've always been told AC above all else until you reach 2500 AC. After 2500 there is no remarkable improvement in tanking capability and your focus should be on the other stats at that time. How true it is - no idea. I'd suggest follow Whitman's advice and ask on the class specific sites.
#6 Jan 06 2007 at 1:05 PM Rating: Good
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Ok then you're on the right path. Read here, there is 11 pages of data that is EXACTLY what you're looking for http://www.evilgamer.net/forums/showthread.php?t=155
Also, sorry for jumping to conclusions, and I'm very impressed with your AC.
#7 Jan 06 2007 at 4:17 PM Rating: Good
I go something like 8hp --> 1 ac, although a lot of wars go more like 5:1.

I basically prioritized shielding above all on my gear before I maxed it, but I've heard people use 30hp:1%shielding or 50hp:10% shielding pre-max.

if you go all HP, you will regret it - and if you go all AC, you will regret it. A tank who consistently is hit for max is just as bad as a tank who is usually hit for little, and sometimes just thrown in to the ground by 1-2 bad rounds.

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I've always been told AC above all else until you reach 2500 AC. After 2500 there is no remarkable improvement in tanking capability and your focus should be on the other stats at that time. How true it is - no idea. I'd suggest follow Whitman's advice and ask on the class specific sites.

in some modern content ac is noticeable even at 4k+
#8 Jan 06 2007 at 5:05 PM Rating: Decent
Thanks for that link Srakeats. Great information - blows all the old rumors I've always been told to hell and back.
#9 Jan 07 2007 at 3:29 PM Rating: Good
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Very nice to read, thanks for the links.
You still die however when you run out of hit points, not out of armor points.
#11 Jan 07 2007 at 7:03 PM Rating: Good
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It would be quite a trick to have godly AC and not have great hp to go with it, though.

9750hp with 2750 ac is certainly well on track to it, tho!

that AC is found on many 12-13khpunb knights
#12 Jan 08 2007 at 1:39 AM Rating: Decent
would like to see his magelo :P
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