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#27 Dec 24 2006 at 5:22 AM Rating: Good
Here is one line taken from an old set of warp source.



#define CDisplay__MoveLocalPlayerToSafeCoords 0x000000ff


the memory reference (the hexadecimal) changes every time eqgame.exe is compiled. this is very very incomplete code with a blanked offset, so you would be fairly hard-pressed to make it in to anything functional - ie, it's safe to post here.

so what is CDisplay__MoveLocalPlayerToSafeCoords? it's the function called when for some reason your character is moved to the succor coords of your current zone. You encounter it ingame if you fall off the world (happens a lot less now!) and hit a certain negative z-loc. It's basically succor, minus the zoning.

EQ doesn't really check to see if you have a valid reason to call succor. It just moves you to the succor coordinates. so, that by itself is an easy way to warp to succor. however - the succor coordinates that function evacs you to are given to your client by your client, and thus, they can be altered. I'm not going to go in to how, but it's fairly trivial.

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Ghosting is having the ability to walk through all walls, doors, and anything else that normally stands in mere mortal's way.

people who talk about ghosting in EQ generally mean killing mobs without getting aggro.

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I have seen more then 1 guild almost completly vanish when EQ loads up one of their new hack finder programs in a patch.

oh, this always makes me laugh. or when the GL + every officer gets suspended and goes OMG GUYS, SONY DELETED MY TOON, I DONT KNOW WHY!!!

Edited, Dec 24th 2006 8:23am by Groogle
#28 Dec 24 2006 at 6:38 AM Rating: Decent
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The idea of Macroquest makes me sad. If I knew I was grouping with someone using such a program I would leave the group. The same with my guild. I am here to have fun and learn new content, not to cheat my way around.
#29 Dec 24 2006 at 12:54 PM Rating: Decent
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The closest I ever really Cheated would have been playing the eqemulator. Basically I was able to scout out zones I prob will never see. Not really cheating though however it is something the devs did not want players to be able to do apparently.
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#30 Dec 24 2006 at 8:00 PM Rating: Decent
I found a usable zone viewer just a month ago, was linked by someone on an eqplayers board. just search it. it isn't as great as you'd think as no graphics card is running it to make it look pretty, just looks kinda flat and dull. nostalgic though.
#31 Dec 27 2006 at 7:43 PM Rating: Decent
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is it cheating by pulling mobs to a zone line, rooting it, then zoining, coming back to then kill the mob solo?

i used to do this all of the time in the deep, would pull a mob, and all of his buddies would come, so i run to the ZI, root one, then zone out, zone back and kill the one i rooted.

thats the only cheating i ever did ;-P
#32 Dec 28 2006 at 7:07 AM Rating: Decent
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is it cheating by pulling mobs to a zone line, rooting it, then zoining, coming back to then kill the mob solo?


I wouldn't call it cheating. It would fall more into the "ethical" area. Some people may frown on it. I personally don't think it is worth the time dealing with all of the zoning back and forth.
#33 Jan 07 2007 at 11:14 PM Rating: Decent
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Get your flame throwers out to nuke me for the following comments ------


Many years ago I bought a battery powered auto mouse that would allow me to set up hot keys for skill checks after my fingers and wrist broke. :>

After the mouse died I tried EQMACRO for the same skill up auto mouse clickly and from their web site seems to indiacted that many had written long scripts for fishing and foraging. Never used them and EQMACRO was not as good as my now dead auto mouse.

BTW the auto mouse is no longer sold, but was though ebay with payapl. I would buy it again, but I had to learn to med with a book and mouse click on find location for days and hated such - bull shtt waste of time

The EQ tutorial zone hack was fun as is the EQzone view. Have not used them for many years, but fun at the time

I do use the macro keys on my logitech G15 to move the direction (arrow) keys to the left side of the keyboard. I found having both the mouse and direction keys on the right side of the keyboard was leading to cramps. (My time of the month :>

So to summarize, flame me if you will, but I enjoy EQ and like simple tools to reduce physical stress and strain after over 7 years playing EQ. I am surpised SONY has not been sued for having set up, for example the iksar bone faction quests that take 1000s of bone turn ins that lead to massive physical and mental damage to us EQ players foolish enough not to want to be KOS in most cities.

I have never seem SHOWEQ but understand it would be a cheaters best tool. Also never seen the use of offsets to cheat

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#34 Jan 08 2007 at 9:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Just saw this today while using web ferrit pro

http://sins.sourceforge.net/

Looks like a ShowEQ program

#35 Jan 09 2007 at 9:28 AM Rating: Good
My girlfriend cheated on me with EQ, that count?
#36 Jan 29 2007 at 5:00 PM Rating: Default
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Just saw this today while using web ferrit pro

http://sins.sourceforge.net/

Looks like a ShowEQ program


Yep that is deff a peter cheater, pumpkin eater, had a wife and couldn't keep her, type of program. This program takes the need for dualboxing a tracker and eliminates it, then nukes the problem with major overkill.

Why even play if you're going to use a program like that? If you found that krap, why give it to more noobs who are going to be kill stealing during fableds? Oh I forgot, the one time I dread playing and I spend raiding and doing normal things to avoid fableds, because people fight over krap, and this just totally escalated the problem. This just has exploit written all over it.

Houston, we have a problem...Elvis has left the building...

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I have petitioned to soe and made posts in other forums about this. I have only begun to fight this problem.

Edited, Jan 29th 2007 5:55pm by daemonrebel
#37 Jan 29 2007 at 7:30 PM Rating: Decent
byby wrote:
Just saw this today while using web ferrit pro

http://sins.sourceforge.net/

Looks like a ShowEQ program
Sure enough after petitioning and posting in official forums about this, I have been banned from game and from support/petition system. I don't support use of this and I was just trying to let them know, I get slapped as a user or something. I got called a troll and said I was causing a problem and should have kept my mouth shut, wtf? I'm just trying to keep the playing ground "fair". If they let people use this program, it's gonna be like rangers from hell. That's all we need, a million eq'ers who can track who shouldn't, like wizzies and sk's. You name it. You think fableds was rough before righting over drops? You haven't seen nothing yet.
#38 Jan 29 2007 at 8:55 PM Rating: Good
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Sure enough after petitioning and posting in official forums about this, I have been banned from game and from support/petition system. I don't support use of this and I was just trying to let them know, I get slapped as a user or something. I got called a troll and said I was causing a problem and should have kept my mouth shut, wtf? I'm just trying to keep the playing ground "fair". If they let people use this program, it's gonna be like rangers from hell. That's all we need, a million eq'ers who can track who shouldn't, like wizzies and sk's. You name it. You think fableds was rough before righting over drops? You haven't seen nothing yet.

I see no reason to believe use of illicit third party programs is any higher now than it was a year ago.

although it is comically like soe to ban you for this. there are some soe CSRs that are wonderful, there are some that are just kind of ...
#39 Jan 30 2007 at 4:07 PM Rating: Default
Cheats ? Does it include buying PP ? I am a newbie ..... wondering if buying PP is regarded as cheat or not ? Wanna buy PP for easier level up actually ...... anyone supports buying PP ? I know quite a lot of players don't like it. Buy I know there are a lot players buy PP to from those suppliers !!! I heard about IGE, but PP is very expensive there. Is it really worth to buy PP there ? I keep looking for better price to convince myself to buy from them ...... but to be honest, it's not feeling too good to buy in the other round. However ..... get more PP is easier for me to play the game ! :(
Don't know what should I do ...... anyone can help ?
#40 Jan 31 2007 at 5:04 AM Rating: Decent
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@ XmasNewbie: you should stop talking about buying plat on this forum. If you buy plat, you A: Ruin your own game experience, B: support an industry that is based on a direct violation of the EQ EULA and C: **** off about 80% of the EQ community.

About A: There's no accomplishment in having things given to you. EQ is about accomplishing things. If you find yourself disinclined to work to earn a reward, Don't play EQ.

About B: Do you also steal from the bank when you play Monopoly? Either play by the rules same as (nearly) everyone else, or go play something else.

About C: When you buy gear that is much MUCh better than your level really calls for, you zoom through levels. This is a recipe for ******** up your character and - moreimportantly - your playing skills. We don't like poor players. Also, by buying plat, you introduce an artificially high amount of plat to the economy, throwing the 'natural' order of things based on supply and demand out of whack, making the game even more difficult for those who play by the rules. Do you award yourself extra money when the others are not looking in Monopoly?

Go play WoW, I have a feeling it's more to your liking.

And no, I don't like WoW, but whatever floats your boat ;-)

I also don't like how your posts all go in one direction: that new players should buy plat from a certain scumbag. Do you really play, I wonder?
#41 Feb 01 2007 at 12:18 AM Rating: Decent
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Cheats ? Does it include buying PP ? I am a newbie ..... wondering if buying PP is regarded as cheat or not ? Wanna buy PP for easier level up actually ...... anyone supports buying PP ? I know quite a lot of players don't like it. Buy I know there are a lot players buy PP to from those suppliers !!! I heard about IGE, but PP is very expensive there. Is it really worth to buy PP there ? I keep looking for better price to convince myself to buy from them ...... but to be honest, it's not feeling too good to buy in the other round. However ..... get more PP is easier for me to play the game ! :(
Don't know what should I do ...... anyone can help ?


XmasNewbie
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please go somewhere else and leave our comunity alone.

I chalenge you to look at any post of mine and compare it to yours and you'll see who is really the troll here. In fact, I'm devoting an entirely new subject just to people like you. 8D

Edited, Feb 1st 2007 2:33am by daemonrebel
#42 Feb 13 2007 at 11:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Given Groogle's recent post about macroquest, I began to wonder how many guilds/toons cheat in everquest....

Cheat being defined as using anything 'extra" such as external programs, exploits, etc... Extra boxing and is not cheating to me...

It seems like some of the pictures on Allah have been criticized by people because they show characters blatantly using extra programs.

Just curious. The only thing I would like to "cheat" with in EQ is to find a way to adventure through zones that I would never ever get the chance to see. For example, taking my picture of my toon next to Mayong Mistmoore or possibly Grummus or some diety. That's about the only cheating I am interested in.

It's slow at work here.


Hope you're doing well in VA. Great state VA is. Here is some excitement directly from the horses mouth.

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We are in a bind here because if we want the game to be rubber-band lag free with respect to player movement, then the player is going to continue to be able to do these kinds of exploits as long as the game mechanics allow for it to happen. This is because cheaters will use macros to move to exact positions at exact times and take advantage of this. Would I like to stop macro users? Absolutely, and we've spent literally hundreds of man-hours fixing exploits and have banned many, many accounts this past year alone. It's very important to us that the game is played fairly. Can we stop everything? No, and that's just a fact. But we do as much as we can and will continue to invest developer time making game systems more secure, less prone to abuse, and more robust in terms of identifying various ways people are cheating. When the client is on someone's physical machine, we simply have to accept that people can and do have the ability to mess with the memory and generally do whatever they want with it. There is nothing we can do to prevent that. Even if we could scan and find cheater tools on a player's machine, it would just become a game of cat and mouse as hackers hid the tools from us in ways we wouldn't possibly be able to identify. It would be a pointless exercise. The solution here is to move as much as we can that matters onto the servers where the server is the authority for what happens, and provide as little information to the client as is neccessary to play the game so that snooping at memory is as useful as looking at your screen (This isn't news for anyone who is familiar with computer security issues). The server is already the authority for almost everything that matters in EverQuest except for movement, because moving movement authority to the server would require the introduction of an intolerable amount of lag & latency (there are a few other things too, to be clear, such as NPC info that is used for tracking). Some games have tried server-authority movement in the past and have almost universally changed to use the same client-side authority for movement because it's just not worth ruining everyone's experience just so that a few hackers can't warp around. There is still room for improvement though, and just this past week I was in a meeting discussing our options so it isn't something that is being ignored.


Don't ask where I found this, but a simple internet search led me to it. I tried to find the actual quote from where Sony said this and can't. If you guys can find where they actually said this, that would be great.
#43dargot, Posted: Aug 26 2008 at 6:04 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Daemonrebel I found the quote... its on the customer Knowledge base on soe's site... use the search term cheating as the keyword and you will find it.
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