Poll: Underrated in GroupsFollow

Having trouble picking one? Think about which healer you feel is the most underrated. Then do the same for tanks, utility, DPS, and other roles. Then figure out which one you feel has it the worst. There's your likely answer.

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Wow Jig, I never get that when I play an enchanter. Usually it is 'hurrah a slower! gimme crack and haste oh maybe MR while you are at it...'

I would say bard is underrated myself. They can track, pull, supplement DS and resists, mana and health regen etc. yet not many realize this or think 'hey lets get a bard if we can'. There is something to utility.

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Like I said, I LOVE having chanters join the group in most circumstances. The problem really is a "few bad apples" AKA the vocal minority, which really ruins it for others. I guess where chanters are really getting the stiff is in the real high end content where mezzes just don't work and a single resist will usually end up with a dead chanter. I can definately understand the frustration there. There was a HUGE (I'm talking like 16 page) thread over on the live forums about it where regardless of what suggestions or support anyone provided, there were a couple of very vocal enchanters that would somehow turn it around to make it look like you were bashing them because you didn't think they should have huge heals or warrior mitigation or monk avoidance or something, even when you were actually trying to support them.

I personally think chanters should have a few things changed that will make things MUCH better for them in the higher end game without making them over-powerful (a la pre-OoW charm Gods):

1. Decrease the aggro generated by a mez attempt to what bard mezzes generate. This would allow a tank to keep the attention of 2-3 mobs while the chanter locks them down without allowing them to just run through a zone bypassing content with mezzes (since it still generates aggro, just not a whole LOT, and they don't have a tool to drop aggro completely like fade).

2. Give them a better resist mod on their mezzes then bards have. It used to be the norm that chanter mezzes had a better resist mod, but now it's the same, making it more effective for bards to do out of camp CC (since we can mez just as well on low numbers) and just fade the adds off. If the chanter had a better chance of landing mezzes it would probably be quicker and easier for the bard to just bring two and let the chanter mez and debuff the add, waiting on deck. Now, of course I don't want them to take the resist mods away from the bards (that would actually really **** me off), but the chanters should still have a higher mod.

3. The single thing I think that would make chanters more welcome in groups is if they actually educated other players (since other players often times don't care about educating themselves on other classes) about what they actually bring to the group. Instead of constantly blaming bards for a lack of interest in chanters, educate. It's true that a bard CAN perform most of the duties of a chanter, but it's usually much more effective for the group to let a chanter handle all the debuffs and slows and stuff and let the bard handle other aspects.

Of course there are other things that can be done, and I'm not trying to derail the thread into a "what chanters need/don't need" thread (go to the live forums if you really want that). Just backing up why I said chanters. :)

I haven't played in some time now so maybe things have shifted but my answer was bards. Just because I know how useful they can be, there's a bajillion posts about how useful they are for groups and raids and yet it was a rare occassion when I'd be in a group and someone would say "Hey, we should try to find a bard." They just seemed to be under everyone's radar until one happened to fall into their laps.

Sorry Jig, but this one will prob stay a while...

I voted Mage, cause most people dont realize what a Mage can bring to the table. I cant believe people are voting 'chanter...

I so Think its Shadowknights. They dont bring alot they can tank but not as well as a war they can heal (taps) but not like a pally so I so pick them. It was sad day for me when i saw Ranger even on the list Rangers are great.

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I play a Shadowknight and I've felt pretty welcome in groups. We can pull, tank, and those who know what they are doing hold aggro like no other class. The only thing an SK lacks is any sort of buffs for others, but with our lifetaps and AAs it is easier to heal an SK than a warrior imo.

I think Rangers get the short end of things. Most don't see their utility so groups look for other DPS classes first and Rangers get left out a lot.

I do feel that there are more then 3 class that could fit in here but I would have to say zerkers are among the top of the list. No one wanted them in a grp when they came out and to this day I have yet to see a grp say "LF Zerker" or for that matter anyone in grp suggest that a zerker was need or wanted.

Shame on anyone voting chanter. I have yet to see a grp without a slower turn one down yet.

Magicians....pure and simple. When looking for DPS who would you rather have, a wizard or a magician. The wizzy almost always gets the invite. However, with pet, and a good magician (i'm almost 9k unbuffed mana), the mage will out DPS the wizzy most of the time. Also, I don't know too many wizzies that can tank when the tank dies, my pet buffs to 13k....so he can, but no one realizes this, they just see the spell message "soandso performs a critical blast (20000)" and think that wizards are the end all be all of casters. Also, don't forget my DS, my 300 point defensive proc (which on a good tank with good dex goes off every 2-3 hits), my 500 pt short duration DS, my mod rod (everyone wants my rod), and I can just summon your a** when one of the "gee we really need a _______" classes is being an idiot and getting lost and mauled in draniks scar. (happened to me very recently, with a lvl 75 cleric, and me, a 72 mage saving his bacon.) but still we are pretty low on the list of invites for DPS classes. its just not right.

Edited, Nov 4th 2006 at 4:49am PST by sumlaan

As someone who has both a bard and a berserker, I have to say I feel that the berserker is the more underrated class. With the bard I rarely spend more than a few minutes LFG, whereas on the berserker I regularly spend hours with LFG up to no avail. I wonder if people are still suffering from the "what's a berserker?" legacy leftover from their lack of class definition during GoD.

Bards then Necros.... Bards give alot to groups, but alot of them find themselves LFG for hours.... Necros are amazing in groups, but again go LFG for what seems like forever

My vote went for monks. They are great on DPS, but often times have a very difficult time finding a group.