I was talking with some of my friends the other day and they were talking about WoW, saying how amazing they are etc etc and i just replied i play EQ not WoW. The abuse i got was breath taking, i got comments like EQ is crap, EQ this, EQ that.
I found this quite funny when one of them commented on the graphics, erm animated graphics in WoW, realistic graphics in EQ, i know what i'd choose!
All the abuse seems to come from WoW players who have never even played EQ and think they know all about it, well lets face facts, why does EQ have more players than WoW? why has EQ manage to survive nearly 7 years?
/rant rant
Has anyone else had this?
sorry just felt i needed to get this off my chest, i'm a good guy really :)
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was talking with some of my friends the other day and they were talking about WoW, saying how amazing they are etc etc and i just replied i play EQ not WoW. The abuse i got was breath taking, i got comments like EQ is crap, EQ this, EQ that.
I found this quite funny when one of them commented on the graphics, erm animated graphics in WoW, realistic graphics in EQ, i know what i'd choose!
All the abuse seems to come from WoW players who have never even played EQ and think they know all about it, well lets face facts, why does EQ have more players than WoW? why has EQ manage to survive nearly 7 years?
/rant rant
Has anyone else had this?
sorry just felt i needed to get this off my chest, i'm a good guy really :)
I found this quite funny when one of them commented on the graphics, erm animated graphics in WoW, realistic graphics in EQ, i know what i'd choose!
All the abuse seems to come from WoW players who have never even played EQ and think they know all about it, well lets face facts, why does EQ have more players than WoW? why has EQ manage to survive nearly 7 years?
/rant rant
Has anyone else had this?
sorry just felt i needed to get this off my chest, i'm a good guy really :)
WoW has more players than EQ by alot.
I have never met any adults that play WoW in RL, only a couple of 12 year old friends of my son, and I expect that they are representative of the reason WoW has a million players.
I met one FF XI player at work, because he recognized allas on my comp, he was a real loser.... =) He started blabbering away at my cubicle about EQ and FF XI and I gave him a look that shut him up good. He did not last two months at the job.
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WOW has over 6 million players. EQ less that 1. Thats because there are more punks in the world.
eq does seem to have more mature players then WOW. wow is way to easy lvling takes a month maybe 2 if your a casual player.
everquest. yes you can power lvl to 60 in a day or so. but to lvl normally without twinking and buffs, i just spent 6 hrs from 1-15 in the new city. a bit of that time chatting and tradeskills. but lvling still takes about 6 month maybe to get to lvl 60 for a casual player. i can only guess. as i play 2 accounts full of characters and 2 other accounts to help buff and power lvl or group when no other groups to be had.
I keep trying to convice my friend who i played asheron's call with for 3 yrs to jion us on eq. he played wow for a bit and tried eq2 trial account. many other games. he's waiting for conan now. he said he doesn't like eq because of the old graphics. he hated eq2 cause you have to fight with a stove to win at making a tradeskill.
i told him that eq graphics may be bad comparing to most recent games. but the game play and community surpasses most games by far. with new expansions every 6 months the game just gets better.
true i would love to see more updates to the graphics. like freeport. and they will do it over time. i think if they hired more people to update the graphics they just might bring more players to the game and back to the game.
i still loe it for what it is. i leave from time to time but always come back
everquest. yes you can power lvl to 60 in a day or so. but to lvl normally without twinking and buffs, i just spent 6 hrs from 1-15 in the new city. a bit of that time chatting and tradeskills. but lvling still takes about 6 month maybe to get to lvl 60 for a casual player. i can only guess. as i play 2 accounts full of characters and 2 other accounts to help buff and power lvl or group when no other groups to be had.
I keep trying to convice my friend who i played asheron's call with for 3 yrs to jion us on eq. he played wow for a bit and tried eq2 trial account. many other games. he's waiting for conan now. he said he doesn't like eq because of the old graphics. he hated eq2 cause you have to fight with a stove to win at making a tradeskill.
i told him that eq graphics may be bad comparing to most recent games. but the game play and community surpasses most games by far. with new expansions every 6 months the game just gets better.
true i would love to see more updates to the graphics. like freeport. and they will do it over time. i think if they hired more people to update the graphics they just might bring more players to the game and back to the game.
i still loe it for what it is. i leave from time to time but always come back
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5x eve online (Currently playing 2 accounts)
1x darkfall "worse game ever"
8x EQ 1 accounts char's lvl 30-52 7 years (3 accounts active)2nd fav
6x Asheron's call lvl 40-99 one lvl 132 (FAV GAME ALL TIME)
2 EQ 2
3 Horizons
3 WOW
3 DAOC
1 D&D online
4 FFXI
2 vanguard
4 anarchy
2 SWG
1 lineage 2
2 AOC
1 LOTRO
1 City of H / V
beta's AC2,lotro,eq2,aoc, lineage 2, darkfall, crimecraft, fallen earth, aion, Jade Dynasty
I played EQ from Nov 02-Feb 06 when I switched to WoW (played since).
I am 43 years old. There are 4 people older than me in my Guild. The only people younger than 20 are our children (who play with us under supervison).
The last night I played EQ, 6 of us did a DoDH mission that took 3+ hours and refused to complete (Spies like Us I think it's called.. has been 8 months). I petitioned and got a canned "problems happen, but we cannot give your credit/reward" response without a single question asked. (This mission was "fixed" a few months later.. if only the GM had actualy investigate WTF happened.. but no)
Last night in WoW some of my guildeies ran an escort quest and one of them failed to get credit and reward. He petitioned and the GM has reviewed the server logs and already given him credit and his reward. That's the difference right there, kids. Customer Service.
Yes, I like the lore and environment more.. but taste is personal. But actually remembering that I am paying to enjoy the game is priceless.
The game of EQ rocks.. but I said then and I believe now the Customer Service drove me away. And I will never return until that changes.
I am 43 years old. There are 4 people older than me in my Guild. The only people younger than 20 are our children (who play with us under supervison).
The last night I played EQ, 6 of us did a DoDH mission that took 3+ hours and refused to complete (Spies like Us I think it's called.. has been 8 months). I petitioned and got a canned "problems happen, but we cannot give your credit/reward" response without a single question asked. (This mission was "fixed" a few months later.. if only the GM had actualy investigate WTF happened.. but no)
Last night in WoW some of my guildeies ran an escort quest and one of them failed to get credit and reward. He petitioned and the GM has reviewed the server logs and already given him credit and his reward. That's the difference right there, kids. Customer Service.
Yes, I like the lore and environment more.. but taste is personal. But actually remembering that I am paying to enjoy the game is priceless.
The game of EQ rocks.. but I said then and I believe now the Customer Service drove me away. And I will never return until that changes.
I've played EQ for over 5 years, and in the last few days I have been playing a 14-day demo of WoW that I bought in a store, just to see what the hype was about.
I have been very pleasantly surprised on a number of levels.
Firstly, in about 100 hours of play, I have yet to meet this much-touted 'immature playerbase' so often cited in the "WoW player-base vs Everquest player-base" discussions. The players I have met have invariably been polite, helpful if they have the time, and in some instances they have gone well out of their way to help a WoW newbie. Playerbases need time to mature in any new MMORPG, and every game ever released online attracts the poseurs, frothers and fanbois who just want to level like a maniac so they can strut and pose and then just hang around hassling others or smacktalking in /ooc. They always move on to the Next Big Thing. If I decide to continue to play WoW as well as EQ, I will not suddenly transmogrify into an immature "leetspeaking" griefer when I click the login button, and neither will the vast majority of emigrants from EQ and other games who now play WoW. Actually, come to think of it, the last immature griefer I encountered was in EQ, in Crescent's Reach. He was a 70 SK who was running around killing the mobs the lvl 2 to 5's were killing! I was fighting a drake there, almost had it dead and I was in no trouble at all - he ran up, killed it, laughed and ran on to do it to someone else. He was only in the zone 5 minutes, but from the chat in /ooc it was clear he'd done it to a lot of folks, too. Hmmm, EQ players are more mature, eh? Apparently not always.
Secondly, the graphics question is essentially meaningless. No graphics are "real". While the graphics in WoW may be richer, more colourful and more elaborate, that does not make them "cartoonish". EQ graphics might look less baroque, but that doesn't make them more "realistic". To be honest, I think the EQ graphics look a little stilted, sticklike and bland in comparison. I am impressed with the graphics in Serpent's Spine, mind you, but EVERY zone I have visited in WoW so far looks at least as good, if not far better. The seamless zoning is a very nice change to EQ's "cross that invisible line and spend up to 30 seconds while you zone", too. Try flying a hired griffon or bat between cities - you'll want to do it again just for the screenshots!
Thirdly, there's suspension of disbelief. One thing EQ lacks is a faint nod towards real-life behaviour of mobs, and WoW at least attempts this. I wondered why wolves kept dropping a "Rabbit's Foot" until I saw a wolf lunge after a Rabbit, chase it and kill it. A friend of mine was doing a fun little quest for a pet chicken, and was almost finished it when I saw a much higher-level coyote sneaking up on him. I yelled a warning (Teamspeak) and he managed a pace or two, but the coyote streaked in fast and... grabbed the chicken and ran off with it. Normally it would have killed him (as it had killed me when I failed to notice it) but he'd managed to distance himself sufficiently so that the chicken was a better target for a hungry animal. Maybe it was a fluke, but it sure seemed that way to him and to me. Another example is that lions act like lions. They slink through grass, usually avoiding open ground, blending in perfectly (vicious sods that they are!) and also slumber under large trees in the heat of the day, just as in real life. I know this, as I left a corpse under one :D You soon learn not to wander blithely around without paying attention to the vegetation and fauna... Nice touches, all of them, and they enhance suspension of disbelief greatly.
Fourthly, some of the game mechanisms are very clever indeed, and EQ could do with a long look at them. The 'player death' mechanism is nothing short of inspired, IMO - a nice blend of EQ's and that of Guild Wars'. The tradeskill system and the quests might seem easier but from my experience so far they seem easier because you don't spend so much wasted time camping Mob X or tediously gathering ingredients. Too many times I start up EQ, planning to have a madcap day of thrills and excitement, only to be sat in the same spot 3 hours later waiting for a mob to drop something I need, killing trash to pass the time. Not much fun-factor there. Its a game, and its an escape from real life for a while. Games should be fun, not as tedious and mindnumbing as some aspects of real life.
Lastly, WoW is easier than "Game X, Y or Z", eh..? Let's not forget that veteran players of EQ deride the present-day game as being "far too easy now" and indeed they are right, by and large. When most of us started, years back, getting to around lvl 14 or 15 was quite an undertaking, taking weeks. Now you can do it easily, solo, in a day, maybe two at most. (My Drakkin character was lvl 33 and still hadn't used the last of her newbie food and drink!)
So, let's stop the adolescent "my game is great and yours sucks, nyah, nyah" posts and just give each other a bit of respect and, sometimes, a bit of tolerance. In a few years the NEXT big thing will be out, the player base shifts yet again and we'll get another round of "my game is great..." comments. You'll be able to cut through the atmosphere of snobbery and sarcasm with a knife, all over again, I just bet you :)
Edited, Oct 18th 2006 at 3:50am PDT by Krago
I have been very pleasantly surprised on a number of levels.
Firstly, in about 100 hours of play, I have yet to meet this much-touted 'immature playerbase' so often cited in the "WoW player-base vs Everquest player-base" discussions. The players I have met have invariably been polite, helpful if they have the time, and in some instances they have gone well out of their way to help a WoW newbie. Playerbases need time to mature in any new MMORPG, and every game ever released online attracts the poseurs, frothers and fanbois who just want to level like a maniac so they can strut and pose and then just hang around hassling others or smacktalking in /ooc. They always move on to the Next Big Thing. If I decide to continue to play WoW as well as EQ, I will not suddenly transmogrify into an immature "leetspeaking" griefer when I click the login button, and neither will the vast majority of emigrants from EQ and other games who now play WoW. Actually, come to think of it, the last immature griefer I encountered was in EQ, in Crescent's Reach. He was a 70 SK who was running around killing the mobs the lvl 2 to 5's were killing! I was fighting a drake there, almost had it dead and I was in no trouble at all - he ran up, killed it, laughed and ran on to do it to someone else. He was only in the zone 5 minutes, but from the chat in /ooc it was clear he'd done it to a lot of folks, too. Hmmm, EQ players are more mature, eh? Apparently not always.
Secondly, the graphics question is essentially meaningless. No graphics are "real". While the graphics in WoW may be richer, more colourful and more elaborate, that does not make them "cartoonish". EQ graphics might look less baroque, but that doesn't make them more "realistic". To be honest, I think the EQ graphics look a little stilted, sticklike and bland in comparison. I am impressed with the graphics in Serpent's Spine, mind you, but EVERY zone I have visited in WoW so far looks at least as good, if not far better. The seamless zoning is a very nice change to EQ's "cross that invisible line and spend up to 30 seconds while you zone", too. Try flying a hired griffon or bat between cities - you'll want to do it again just for the screenshots!
Thirdly, there's suspension of disbelief. One thing EQ lacks is a faint nod towards real-life behaviour of mobs, and WoW at least attempts this. I wondered why wolves kept dropping a "Rabbit's Foot" until I saw a wolf lunge after a Rabbit, chase it and kill it. A friend of mine was doing a fun little quest for a pet chicken, and was almost finished it when I saw a much higher-level coyote sneaking up on him. I yelled a warning (Teamspeak) and he managed a pace or two, but the coyote streaked in fast and... grabbed the chicken and ran off with it. Normally it would have killed him (as it had killed me when I failed to notice it) but he'd managed to distance himself sufficiently so that the chicken was a better target for a hungry animal. Maybe it was a fluke, but it sure seemed that way to him and to me. Another example is that lions act like lions. They slink through grass, usually avoiding open ground, blending in perfectly (vicious sods that they are!) and also slumber under large trees in the heat of the day, just as in real life. I know this, as I left a corpse under one :D You soon learn not to wander blithely around without paying attention to the vegetation and fauna... Nice touches, all of them, and they enhance suspension of disbelief greatly.
Fourthly, some of the game mechanisms are very clever indeed, and EQ could do with a long look at them. The 'player death' mechanism is nothing short of inspired, IMO - a nice blend of EQ's and that of Guild Wars'. The tradeskill system and the quests might seem easier but from my experience so far they seem easier because you don't spend so much wasted time camping Mob X or tediously gathering ingredients. Too many times I start up EQ, planning to have a madcap day of thrills and excitement, only to be sat in the same spot 3 hours later waiting for a mob to drop something I need, killing trash to pass the time. Not much fun-factor there. Its a game, and its an escape from real life for a while. Games should be fun, not as tedious and mindnumbing as some aspects of real life.
Lastly, WoW is easier than "Game X, Y or Z", eh..? Let's not forget that veteran players of EQ deride the present-day game as being "far too easy now" and indeed they are right, by and large. When most of us started, years back, getting to around lvl 14 or 15 was quite an undertaking, taking weeks. Now you can do it easily, solo, in a day, maybe two at most. (My Drakkin character was lvl 33 and still hadn't used the last of her newbie food and drink!)
So, let's stop the adolescent "my game is great and yours sucks, nyah, nyah" posts and just give each other a bit of respect and, sometimes, a bit of tolerance. In a few years the NEXT big thing will be out, the player base shifts yet again and we'll get another round of "my game is great..." comments. You'll be able to cut through the atmosphere of snobbery and sarcasm with a knife, all over again, I just bet you :)
Edited, Oct 18th 2006 at 3:50am PDT by Krago
No Felicite comeback =(....
The customer service still sucks though =(....
I have never tried WoW and the most I have ever seen of it was on the South Park infomercial ( funny as hell but am sure it recruited nicely for them). Only funny thing I think about WoW is that according to blizard half or 3 million of its players are chinese. Nothing wrong with that just seems crazy that they have marketed so well to china. Following on that though, I find it odd that with half of its playerbase being chinese no one I know who plays WoW has ever told me they ran into someone who didnt speak/type English fluently (sure different timezones but still odd). While we dont have near as many Asians playing Everquest I have found many who I could tell were foreign ( sneaky Brits/Irish are usually harder to ferret out=P). Doesnt make them bad players or anything, I am not saying that, but what it does tell me is that WoW probably doesnt require the level of interaction that EQ does. Not trying to say either is better then the other here just trying to read between the Blizard numbers and my own friends experiences.
Course secret conspiracy option is Chinese have developed some sneaky password and recognition to tell them who is cool (Chinese). Something like "Do you have any cheese?" with a counter required of "I like stinky cheese"=P.
The customer service still sucks though =(....
I have never tried WoW and the most I have ever seen of it was on the South Park infomercial ( funny as hell but am sure it recruited nicely for them). Only funny thing I think about WoW is that according to blizard half or 3 million of its players are chinese. Nothing wrong with that just seems crazy that they have marketed so well to china. Following on that though, I find it odd that with half of its playerbase being chinese no one I know who plays WoW has ever told me they ran into someone who didnt speak/type English fluently (sure different timezones but still odd). While we dont have near as many Asians playing Everquest I have found many who I could tell were foreign ( sneaky Brits/Irish are usually harder to ferret out=P). Doesnt make them bad players or anything, I am not saying that, but what it does tell me is that WoW probably doesnt require the level of interaction that EQ does. Not trying to say either is better then the other here just trying to read between the Blizard numbers and my own friends experiences.
Course secret conspiracy option is Chinese have developed some sneaky password and recognition to tell them who is cool (Chinese). Something like "Do you have any cheese?" with a counter required of "I like stinky cheese"=P.
Aye, EQ's customer service is what you might call sparse. The example of the WoW service response was impressive - let's hope it's typical :D
The language thing you mention is interesting. I recall a few Spanish and Dutch looking messages in the /general channel of WoW but nothing 'exotic' like Chinese. In Eve online you'd see lots of Scandinavian chat at times, which was to be expected given the origin of the game. Maybe with several millions of people playing WoW, there are channels set for specific languages, which you can choose to join? Its a possibility anyway.
The language thing you mention is interesting. I recall a few Spanish and Dutch looking messages in the /general channel of WoW but nothing 'exotic' like Chinese. In Eve online you'd see lots of Scandinavian chat at times, which was to be expected given the origin of the game. Maybe with several millions of people playing WoW, there are channels set for specific languages, which you can choose to join? Its a possibility anyway.
flishtaco wrote:
Only funny thing I think about WoW is that according to blizard half or 3 million of its players are chinese. Nothing wrong with that just seems crazy that they have marketed so well to china. Following on that though, I find it odd that with half of its playerbase being chinese no one I know who plays WoW has ever told me they ran into someone who didnt speak/type English fluently (sure different timezones but still odd).
Wow servers are broken up into NA, Euro, Asian etc.
People in Asia (Chinese) couldn't play on a NA server unless they have
a) A US retail copy of WoW
b) A United States/Canadian based Credit Card
c) A billing Address in North America.
I know this only because we had a friend from the UK who wanted to play WoW with us and in order to get him on the NA servers (instead of Euro) we had to have those three things.
That is the real reason why you don't see Euro or Asian players when you log on WoW.
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I was talking with some of my friends the other day and they were talking about WoW, saying how amazing they are etc etc and i just replied i play EQ not WoW. The abuse i got was breath taking, i got comments like EQ is crap, EQ this, EQ that.
I found this quite funny when one of them commented on the graphics, erm animated graphics in WoW, realistic graphics in EQ, i know what i'd choose!
All the abuse seems to come from WoW players who have never even played EQ and think they know all about it, well lets face facts, why does EQ have more players than WoW? why has EQ manage to survive nearly 7 years?
/rant rant
Has anyone else had this?
sorry just felt I needed to get this off my chest, i'm a good guy really :)
I found this quite funny when one of them commented on the graphics, erm animated graphics in WoW, realistic graphics in EQ, i know what i'd choose!
All the abuse seems to come from WoW players who have never even played EQ and think they know all about it, well lets face facts, why does EQ have more players than WoW? why has EQ manage to survive nearly 7 years?
/rant rant
Has anyone else had this?
sorry just felt I needed to get this off my chest, i'm a good guy really :)
You must be kidding - I love EQ dearly, but EQ has only a fraction of the number of players that WoW does! I've seen figures of 5 to 7 million players for WoW, and EQ probably has between 500,00 and a million, at most. Some Korean/Chinese games have far more than 7 million players. Check out http://www.mmogchart.com/
Much as I love EQ, I wouldn't call its graphics "realistic" by any stretch. Look at an EQ tree and a WoW tree, and I know which one looks more realistic - the WoW version! The majority of EQ's graphics hark back to almost the dark ages, in computing terms, and they look it, but they do the job perfectly well. There's nothing wrong with either game's graphics, in practical terms, they're just different.
The EQ players are far outnumbered by the WoW players where I work (2 EQ players I know of including me and 6 WoW players that I know of, but I work with a bunch of geeks ::grin::). We've had this conversation a few times. The one common thing I've noticed, in our circle at least, is that none of them have ever played EQ before and most of them say that they were actually "afraid" to play EQ because they had heard such bad things about how addicting, yet difficult, it was. And now, when we talk, and they hear about the harsh death penalties (regardless of the fact you can get a 96% rez pretty much anytime after you summon your corpse) and the long grind (it's still a lot more difficult to level in EQ then most other MMOs). Most of our circle has kids, I'm the youngest at 28, and we all work long hours, so I can kind of see the attraction of WoW over EQ to them. They also agree that EQ is TOO "mature" for them, as in how long it's been out. They feel like they've missed the ship on it, so even if they WANTED to play, they'd never be able to get into the "good" stuff. No matter what me and the other guy tell them, those thoughts aren't going to change because that's what they've heard for the past 6+ years about EQ. It's reputation precedes itself more then anything.
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WoW has more players than EQ by alot.
I have never met any adults that play WoW in RL, only a couple of 12 year old friends of my son, and I expect that they are representative of the reason WoW has a million players.
I met one FF XI player at work, because he recognized allas on my comp, he was a real loser.... =) He started blabbering away at my cubicle about EQ and FF XI and I gave him a look that shut him up good. He did not last two months at the job.
I have never met any adults that play WoW in RL, only a couple of 12 year old friends of my son, and I expect that they are representative of the reason WoW has a million players.
I met one FF XI player at work, because he recognized allas on my comp, he was a real loser.... =) He started blabbering away at my cubicle about EQ and FF XI and I gave him a look that shut him up good. He did not last two months at the job.
Well I play WOW, tho I just started and I can say I am not 12 hehehe wish I was 2X times that tho :) And yes I can say there are way more "kids" or at least childish type people playing WoW the EQ or EQ2. ( at the time of this post I have WOW,EQ, EQ2, and EVE accounts open and active.)
Tho I only play wow with my son ( he is 13 btw) I do think its fun to play. at least in wow you can duo just about anything. This is not true of the others.
The main thing I hate about WOW tho is getting spammed with tons of group/dual/guild invites that are unasked for. (Where is that auto decline switch???)
A game is what you make of it. I have people on ignore in all four games, it seems a$$Holes live in all games you just have to learn to deal with them.
EQ has prolly about 300 k players now (according to http://www.mmogchart.com/ )
PS: a friend i.e. got response from a GM in regards to a petition two hours after he petitioned ---> that was two days ago (regarding the awesome bracer quest - where you hand in the pelts, from the TSS exp.). he was very happy with the way they handled it :)
PPS: I loved fighting the stove in EQ2 (back when I was playing, hehe)
just shows how much experiences and views differ...
PS: a friend i.e. got response from a GM in regards to a petition two hours after he petitioned ---> that was two days ago (regarding the awesome bracer quest - where you hand in the pelts, from the TSS exp.). he was very happy with the way they handled it :)
PPS: I loved fighting the stove in EQ2 (back when I was playing, hehe)
just shows how much experiences and views differ...
Still a noob. :-P
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Well I play WOW, tho I just started and I can say I am not 12 hehehe wish I was 2X times that tho :) And yes I can say there are way more "kids" or at least childish type people playing WoW the EQ or EQ2. ( at the time of this post I have WOW,EQ, EQ2, and EVE accounts open and active.)
Amazing - you play what I play (or have played), heh. I won't see my first half-century again, that's for sure :D
Possibly there are more childish people playing WoW than EQ (I couldn't really say, but I have met none up to now), but then again, there's very roughly 7 to 10 times as many people playing WoW as there are EQ nowadays. New MMORPGs always attract a large proportion of the persona that's after the shiny new toy, and who wants to get in on the ground floor fast so they can level like maniacs and thus look "cool" and throw their weight around amongst the newbies. You just have to grit your teeth and wait for them to either grow up or move on when they get bored. Eve Online is a great example of that... loads of people wanting ships the size of planets so they can blow up the newbies, then they realise it takes a bit more effort than that.
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The main thing I hate about WOW tho is getting spammed with tons of group/dual/guild invites that are unasked for. (Where is that auto decline switch???)
It is annoying at times, and I second your plea for an auto-decline. The duelling thing is probably because the duellers after Honour Kills tend to meet up in certain areas of towns, and I just happen to be there. I wish I could auto-reject them all though :)
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A game is what you make of it. I have people on ignore in all four games, it seems a$$Holes live in all games you just have to learn to deal with them.
Very well said.
I suspect most peoples opinions of games is very clouded by their own experience.
A player may log into WoW, find a group of cool people and have a successful evening of killing a named mob or two, picking up some good loot, and just basically have a good time socializing.
The same player may log into EQ sit around PoK for 45 mins trying to get a group. When the group finally comes it's dysfuntional it wipes, corpses are summoned to the toon of 150pp, a rez and more buffs are needed...another 100pp and the evening ends up costing the player more in plat and xp then they've gained over the evening.
Either of the two scenarios could easily happen in either game.
But...will this player say that WoW is a better game because they had a better experience. No they'll probably say "the death penalty is too harsh in EQ", "WoW is more group friendly", etc.
I would hazard a guess that there is just as much fun to be had in either game. EQ requires more patience and has a higher learning curve and currently has little in the way of a low-level population...that doesn't make it better or worse, just different.
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A player may log into WoW, find a group of cool people and have a successful evening of killing a named mob or two, picking up some good loot, and just basically have a good time socializing.
The same player may log into EQ sit around PoK for 45 mins trying to get a group. When the group finally comes it's dysfuntional it wipes, corpses are summoned to the toon of 150pp, a rez and more buffs are needed...another 100pp and the evening ends up costing the player more in plat and xp then they've gained over the evening.
Either of the two scenarios could easily happen in either game.
But...will this player say that WoW is a better game because they had a better experience. No they'll probably say "the death penalty is too harsh in EQ", "WoW is more group friendly", etc.
I would hazard a guess that there is just as much fun to be had in either game. EQ requires more patience and has a higher learning curve and currently has little in the way of a low-level population...that doesn't make it better or worse, just different.
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The main thing I hate about WOW tho is getting spammed with tons of group/dual/guild invites that are unasked for. (Where is that auto decline switch???)
It is annoying at times, and I second your plea for an auto-decline. The duelling thing is probably because the duellers after Honour Kills tend to meet up in certain areas of towns, and I just happen to be there. I wish I could auto-reject them all though :)
Try the Do Not Disturb function .. /DND - I was lead to believe this prevents dialogs like Trades, Duels, etc.. although I have not tried it (I am surly and few mess with me).
You can also look for vanity Guilds that take every one.. just so you can be in a guild and avoid the crush. On my server, we have "<Already In a Guild>".
Copying Felicite's thoughts in fewer words: Everquest has a much better game world, but WoW has a better game.
That's not absolute and there's things about WoW that strike me as shallow compared to EQ (such as spells and abilities) but I think WoW is, on average, more enjoyable to just play.
On the other hand, WoW's world and lore never even came close to interesting me like Norrath.
That's not absolute and there's things about WoW that strike me as shallow compared to EQ (such as spells and abilities) but I think WoW is, on average, more enjoyable to just play.
On the other hand, WoW's world and lore never even came close to interesting me like Norrath.
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I agree here as far as detail and fullness EQ rocks, I do like EQ2 and WoW better for quests.
Spells in WoW are ok just shallow, unlike EQ where they tend to be (for a better word) fuller or more indepth.
But I don't like on over the other, EQ is it when it comes to raiding, WoW is better for the duo/solo taking it easy paly types or if you like PvP. The PvP makes EQ look like they did it on a wim, ooops they did :)
After playing Eq for 6+ years even EQ2 was a system shock to get used to. But after almost 2 years of eq2 WOW was kind of a shock also :) Tho I see alot of the the stuff in WoW in EQ2 or maybe its the other way around.
But then one should not compair apples with pears. After all WoW is Wow and EQ is EQ.
Spells in WoW are ok just shallow, unlike EQ where they tend to be (for a better word) fuller or more indepth.
But I don't like on over the other, EQ is it when it comes to raiding, WoW is better for the duo/solo taking it easy paly types or if you like PvP. The PvP makes EQ look like they did it on a wim, ooops they did :)
After playing Eq for 6+ years even EQ2 was a system shock to get used to. But after almost 2 years of eq2 WOW was kind of a shock also :) Tho I see alot of the the stuff in WoW in EQ2 or maybe its the other way around.
But then one should not compair apples with pears. After all WoW is Wow and EQ is EQ.
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Wow servers are broken up into NA, Euro, Asian etc.
People in Asia (Chinese) couldn't play on a NA server unless they have
a) A US retail copy of WoW
b) A United States/Canadian based Credit Card
c) A billing Address in North America.
People in Asia (Chinese) couldn't play on a NA server unless they have
a) A US retail copy of WoW
b) A United States/Canadian based Credit Card
c) A billing Address in North America.
Bah you cannot defeat me with REASON!!! Sides its way more fun to think of 3 million chinese people running around saying "I like stinky cheese."
Yes WOW has ALOT more players then eq1 now. I played wow for a total of about 2 hours and I didn't like it. Graphics wise they are about the same really. IMO that makes WOW look worse since it was just released what 1 or 2 years ago? Would think it would be far better graphics wise then eq1.
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Hating what is different is a normal response. Look at politics, religion - we revile those that have different world views and center ourselves comfortably in a universe that welcomes us and those like us. Religion specifically it is easy to see why this works so well. If we believe that our religion is the true one, we must be default look upon others as less than valid. Taken one step further we then try to sway other believers that our way is the one true way... come to our side... you will be saved.
This is all just a defense mechanism that continually reassures us that we are right and that we are safe in our right-thinking world. This trait of human nature doesn't stop when we log into a game. There are few people that can play all of them and love them equally. We choose One and set it on a pedestal of singular truth.
There have been so many excellent posts and viewpoints here, I agree with most of them.
[disclaimer: I played EQ from '99 to '04 and played WoW since]
EQ does seem to me to have a more mature player base. This might be for a variety of reasons, including concentrating those people that stayed and the malcontents fleeing to other games. WoW seems to be the casual friendly catch-all for anyone with an internet connection or a desire to pay their rent by selling gold (Since release they have closed 100,000 accounts for hacking and botting)
WoW graphics do seem more anime or cartoony. They are certainly less polygon intensive than EQ. Good thing and a bad thing, really... The game responds much quicker and has less FPS lag as a result. The world can seem a little overcolorful and jaggy when you look closer. My feeling on artistic / graphic interpretation differences is that once you immerse yourself in any virtual world, you suspend disbelief and put it aside. In other words, once you get past the initial shock, it is generally not an issue and game play takes over.
Customer service: EQ does not shine here. In the 5 years I played, I tried to avoid any interaction with a GM rather than looking upon it as a positive feature. WoW is totally different. If I don't get a positive response to an issue in an hour I would be shocked. I don't know what they are feeding these GM's but they must be taking some kind of happy pills to still be pleasant after dealing with 2900 daily complaints of "so and so is using a speed hack in battlegrounds"
Gameplay? They are totally different. WoW is much more casual friendly, i.e. soloable, duoable, groupable when you want. EQ could be a real chore to make meaningful progression. But the focus of the 2 games is different. When you dinged in EQ you were elated, or at the very least felt like a weight was lifted. There is more a sense of accomplishment when you know you scratched and clawed your way to a goal and made it. I think that this is probably the most critical thing a game is when you reduce it to its essence. EQ always stressed interdependence and through that vision forced a playstyle onto the players. Yes you could solo. I am not saying you can't, as I did most of my play time. But there were times I caught myself doing a few quad kites or some good old SK fear kiting then reading a book waiting for mana & hp to come back.
It isn't that one "Vision" is better than another. It is clear that WoW's "Vision" (tm) is to make the game casual friendly and place no obstacles in the path of someone that wants to solo 1 to 60 (now soon 70). Coming from years of EQ, I felt and still feel that WoW tends to be too easy on people. I wish I had a difficulty slider I could choose to push up a notch. Still the more casual mode of WoW seems to appeal to a large segment of casual gamers. Good for Blizzard really. They really pulled off a coup in the gaming world that will change the way developers think about all of this (for better and for worse).
*waves @ Kajolus* you passed my post count! I think I have posted 10 times in the last 2 years. There is just no incentive to participate in the Alla WoW forum. It's like a PvP gank fest using words with post count and karma the loot.
This is all just a defense mechanism that continually reassures us that we are right and that we are safe in our right-thinking world. This trait of human nature doesn't stop when we log into a game. There are few people that can play all of them and love them equally. We choose One and set it on a pedestal of singular truth.
There have been so many excellent posts and viewpoints here, I agree with most of them.
[disclaimer: I played EQ from '99 to '04 and played WoW since]
EQ does seem to me to have a more mature player base. This might be for a variety of reasons, including concentrating those people that stayed and the malcontents fleeing to other games. WoW seems to be the casual friendly catch-all for anyone with an internet connection or a desire to pay their rent by selling gold (Since release they have closed 100,000 accounts for hacking and botting)
WoW graphics do seem more anime or cartoony. They are certainly less polygon intensive than EQ. Good thing and a bad thing, really... The game responds much quicker and has less FPS lag as a result. The world can seem a little overcolorful and jaggy when you look closer. My feeling on artistic / graphic interpretation differences is that once you immerse yourself in any virtual world, you suspend disbelief and put it aside. In other words, once you get past the initial shock, it is generally not an issue and game play takes over.
Customer service: EQ does not shine here. In the 5 years I played, I tried to avoid any interaction with a GM rather than looking upon it as a positive feature. WoW is totally different. If I don't get a positive response to an issue in an hour I would be shocked. I don't know what they are feeding these GM's but they must be taking some kind of happy pills to still be pleasant after dealing with 2900 daily complaints of "so and so is using a speed hack in battlegrounds"
Gameplay? They are totally different. WoW is much more casual friendly, i.e. soloable, duoable, groupable when you want. EQ could be a real chore to make meaningful progression. But the focus of the 2 games is different. When you dinged in EQ you were elated, or at the very least felt like a weight was lifted. There is more a sense of accomplishment when you know you scratched and clawed your way to a goal and made it. I think that this is probably the most critical thing a game is when you reduce it to its essence. EQ always stressed interdependence and through that vision forced a playstyle onto the players. Yes you could solo. I am not saying you can't, as I did most of my play time. But there were times I caught myself doing a few quad kites or some good old SK fear kiting then reading a book waiting for mana & hp to come back.
It isn't that one "Vision" is better than another. It is clear that WoW's "Vision" (tm) is to make the game casual friendly and place no obstacles in the path of someone that wants to solo 1 to 60 (now soon 70). Coming from years of EQ, I felt and still feel that WoW tends to be too easy on people. I wish I had a difficulty slider I could choose to push up a notch. Still the more casual mode of WoW seems to appeal to a large segment of casual gamers. Good for Blizzard really. They really pulled off a coup in the gaming world that will change the way developers think about all of this (for better and for worse).
*waves @ Kajolus* you passed my post count! I think I have posted 10 times in the last 2 years. There is just no incentive to participate in the Alla WoW forum. It's like a PvP gank fest using words with post count and karma the loot.
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Try the Do Not Disturb function .. /DND - I was lead to believe this prevents dialogs like Trades, Duels, etc.. although I have not tried it (I am surly and few mess with me).
Did that last night and so far no invites. Will have to remeber to do that when ever I get on hehehe.
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Gameplay? They are totally different. WoW is much more casual friendly, i.e. soloable, duoable, groupable when you want.
Truth- the reason I play WoW ? I don't have to group and just the Son and I (well the wife too as soon as this semester is over with)can play to end game np. We won't be uber raiders but then I will still be having a good time.
If I am in a group mood then I check EQ out to see who all is on, if no one is on then I head over to EQ2 to see whats up in there. I like all 3 games they all bring something diff to the gaming table.
May have top close 1 account when Vanguard comes out tho :P Or if I could just get a couple more hours of OT Mmmmmm :)
Edited, Oct 19th 2006 at 6:13am PDT by EnigmoTheShaman
Its really a matter of personal choice. I've played EQ, WoW, Guild Wars, DAoC, and dinked around on friends accounts in EQ2 and DDO. I don't like PvP, so that alone rules out several of these games for me. I personally don't care for the races and lore of WoW. EQ was my first MMORPG "love" and so far nothing has made me leave it for long. Doesn't make it better or WoW worse, its just my personal preference, and its what I will forever compare every other MMORPG that comes out to.
Wow...amazing how I could change names and a few other words and be talking about my first girlfriend:)
Wow...amazing how I could change names and a few other words and be talking about my first girlfriend:)
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Its really a matter of personal choice. I've played EQ, WoW, Guild Wars, DAoC, and dinked around on friends accounts in EQ2 and DDO. I don't like PvP, so that alone rules out several of these games for me. I personally don't care for the races and lore of WoW. EQ was my first MMORPG "love" and so far nothing has made me leave it for long. Doesn't make it better or WoW worse, its just my personal preference, and its what I will forever compare every other MMORPG that comes out to.
Wow...amazing how I could change names and a few other words and be talking about my first girlfriend:)
Wow...amazing how I could change names and a few other words and be talking about my first girlfriend:)
I agree EQ was my first of this type of game, tho I played online MuDs for at least 7 or 8 years before EQ came out. ( I remeber when the internet was all done with a PPP client and its was all text and no gui ) So no game will ever be like that firt year of EQ. No matter how great or how diff it maybe be it will never make me feel like it did way back then in EQ year 1 :)
I took a look at the latest mmorpgchar rankings. Wow is inching near 7 million players. EQ has lost half its remaining player base in the last year alone. Currently EQ has only 200k players and that number is dropping rapidly. WoW has already made ALOT more money and had a much bigger social impact then EQ has even with its seven year history.
Well before wow came out someone made a post that i found to be very prophetic. Apologies to the person that said it but It was almost 2 years ago and I cant remember who it was. They said "When Warcraft comes out soe will realize they havnt been the best game out there they were simply the only game out there".
EQ did try and innovate once the WoW threat was realized. Look at all the issues they tried to address since about 4-6 months prior to warcrafts release. Things like /melody and ranger /autofire were long overdue and obvios. Things like Monster missions and shrouds were good ideas to address key grouping problems but as usual the implementation was half assed and now both monster missions and shrouds both join the very long list of eq content that rots. Honestly the last really good idea EQ had that they also delivered on was the POP progression.
Anyways thats my 2cp
Well before wow came out someone made a post that i found to be very prophetic. Apologies to the person that said it but It was almost 2 years ago and I cant remember who it was. They said "When Warcraft comes out soe will realize they havnt been the best game out there they were simply the only game out there".
EQ did try and innovate once the WoW threat was realized. Look at all the issues they tried to address since about 4-6 months prior to warcrafts release. Things like /melody and ranger /autofire were long overdue and obvios. Things like Monster missions and shrouds were good ideas to address key grouping problems but as usual the implementation was half assed and now both monster missions and shrouds both join the very long list of eq content that rots. Honestly the last really good idea EQ had that they also delivered on was the POP progression.
Anyways thats my 2cp
I think a big problem SOE has is there customer service. I mean lets face it they are complete ******** when it comes to CS. I mean you prepay for 1 year of service and 1 month later a plat duper buys a item from you BAM they ban you and keep your money. How many horror stories have we hard (and exp) when something goes wrong. When it the last time you petitioned and actually got a answer besides "Im sorry but seek help from your fellow players." I mean its not uncommon to wait a day or more to get a junk answer while playing eq1. I mean heck what is the deal with Chat Rooms being moderated 24/7? Yea that is nice having a chat room nobody can CHAT in!!!
Anytime you try to call SOE you can expect to wait on hold forever while paying long distance. I mean I could write a book about how terrible they treat there players.
Alot of people don't think about CS, and in many cases it does not matter. I mean a person buys a item from a story 99 times out of 100 they will never have to contact the company for any reason. However anybody who has put any time into a MMORPG has no doubt had to deal with some sort of problem. Since back in the Kunark days Customer Service has really been subpar, and it has gotten worse over the years. This type of stuff lingers and there has been tons of stories over the years.
I have yet to hear a horror story about WOW, but I have heard my fair share of SOE stories.
Anytime you try to call SOE you can expect to wait on hold forever while paying long distance. I mean I could write a book about how terrible they treat there players.
Alot of people don't think about CS, and in many cases it does not matter. I mean a person buys a item from a story 99 times out of 100 they will never have to contact the company for any reason. However anybody who has put any time into a MMORPG has no doubt had to deal with some sort of problem. Since back in the Kunark days Customer Service has really been subpar, and it has gotten worse over the years. This type of stuff lingers and there has been tons of stories over the years.
I have yet to hear a horror story about WOW, but I have heard my fair share of SOE stories.
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