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#1 Oct 17 2006 at 8:28 AM Rating: Decent

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It seems actually it was any quest, from turning in bone chips, to doing jboots. If a lvl 1 is grouped with anyone lvl 59+, the high level character gets massive amounts of aa exp. 71 aa's when a lvl 1 completes j-boot quest....

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Seems people found an exploit in the Thurgadin dain missions. Was giving out AA's left and right incorrectly so Soe said no way can we allow this. Funny how they jump when its something people like, they sure havent worried much about all the major bugs were having now.

There has been an emergency patch on EQ today, due to following quote from Raghnell

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Servers are now up. I apologize for the emergency update but we felt this was required in order to fix an exploit with AA experience. We do not regard the taking down of the servers lightly and we appreciate your patience. I would also like to apologize for the lack of communication surrounding the update. We were concentrated on dealing with the issue and our communication suffered. We do believe that communicating to the community is extremely important and we will re-double our efforts going forward.

There are no words out of what will happens to those people who have exploited the thing and if they are going to be punished, which imo they should by banning, or roll back.

Does that mean that cheating is ok on EQ, even if you get caught ?

Some persons have got 71 aa for turn in of single bone chips, so how many have they got in total ?

SoE need to send out a signal that this cheating is being punished and people will be banned/thier AA taken away.

If they do not, does SoE have any credibility at all ?

#2 Oct 17 2006 at 9:01 AM Rating: Good

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Weird, I hadn't heard of this until you just posted it. So, of course I look at the eqplayers leaderboard and I find this guy, a level 15 with over 8k AAs, and this guy, a level 2 with over 2k AA's. Really strange stuff. I know your quote says that the higher level gets the AA's, but this is still strange. Can anyone remember if those toons were there (ranked 1 and 2 globally for AA's) before?

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I don't see in the quoted messages that the people invloved with the exploit were not punished. Also, I don see where they were punished. There is a lack of information in that area and you are jumping to the wild conclusion that cheating is ok.

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I found the post that you took Raghnell's comments. Here is another post from Raghnell:

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We have no plans to do a rollback but we are currently investigating a solution that will result in selective corrections of the those that exploited this bug.

Later in the thread, Kytherea posted this:

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Yes we are wokring on a solution to deal with the people who participated in the exploit only, not to punish everyone regardless of whether they were part of it or not.

We will NOT be making it public knowledge who participated though, this is just something we do not do. Please accept that we are working on a solution and will deal with those who participated.

Edited, Oct 17th 2006 at 11:21am PDT by Wayen

#4 Oct 17 2006 at 10:39 AM Rating: Good

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Just like the tradeskill merchants, right?

Or how about the people that got 254 in Spell Research for FREE (including my Mage). "Not a priority to fix" which is cool.. because Spell Research is so easy to get to 254, right?

*laughs out loud*

SOE care foque all for anything but squeezing you for two expansions a year. The Devs are always busy fixing the last one, or working on the next one. No time for fixes.

And then there was the was the guy who was using EQPlayers to find the specific characters for sale on PlayerAuctions. SOE thanked him, right? Deleted posts.. banned for continuing. Yes, they *really* want to "punish" cheating.

Edited, Oct 17th 2006 at 11:40am PDT by Felicite

#5 Oct 17 2006 at 11:21 AM Rating: Default

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Anyone who abused the exploit should be suspended for a month and THERES NEEDS TO BE A ROLLBACK. If its true people were getting 70 aa a bone chip, i have about 100 Chips on my necro. People can get 7k AA in an hour.

7K AA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rollbacks are needed

#6 Oct 18 2006 at 6:43 AM Rating: Excellent

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SOE never discusses who, why or when then ban someone. Sometimes not even with the people they ban. Innocent 'mistakes' are sometimes forgiven but a level 2 with 100AA will likely get the boot. I have seen some blatent cheating not get punished and some stupid mistakes get banned, but rest assured they do ban people.

Basically what happens is you lose the banned account and all the characters and gear. You could still go out and buy a new game and get a new account and return, albeit starting over.

Bottom line is: cheaters run the risk of losing their accounts so it is wise not to cheat unless you are prepared to live with the possible consequences.

#7 Oct 18 2006 at 6:53 AM Rating: Decent

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Both those toon that wele linked have profiles and updates prior to the release of TSS so it's most likely a bug, I don't think either of them used the exploit.

#8 Oct 18 2006 at 8:46 AM Rating: Decent

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Cheating in EQ ok ?

Cheating and using exploits are never ok.

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Or how about the people that got 254 in Spell Research for FREE (including my Mage). "Not a priority to fix" which is cool

Gratz to you for using an exploit. I bet you are really proud of all the hard work you did getting your spell research to 254. Here is a Smiley: cookie

for you for being a cheater.

How you choose to play the game is your choice. If you knowingly use a cheat/exploit, congratulations to you, I hope breaking the EULA was worth it for you.

#9 Oct 18 2006 at 8:51 AM Rating: Decent

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mrwookie wrote:

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Cheating in EQ ok ?

Cheating and using exploits are never ok.

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Or how about the people that got 254 in Spell Research for FREE (including my Mage). "Not a priority to fix" which is cool

Gratz to you for using an exploit. I bet you are really proud of all the hard work you did getting your spell research to 254. Here is a Smiley: cookie

for you for being a cheater.

How you choose to play the game is your choice. If you knowingly use a cheat/exploit, congratulations to you, I hope breaking the EULA was worth it for you.

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#10 Oct 18 2006 at 8:56 AM Rating: Good

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Or how about the people that got 254 in Spell Research for FREE (including my Mage). "Not a priority to fix" which is cool

Gratz to you for using an exploit. I bet you are really proud of all the hard work you did getting your spell research to 254. Here is a Smiley: cookie

for you for being a cheater.

How you choose to play the game is your choice. If you knowingly use a cheat/exploit, congratulations to you, I hope breaking the EULA was worth it for you.

Nice try troll.. try some facts. SOE admits they screwed up and gave 1000s of INT casters PER SERVER a Research skill of 254 FOR FREE.

"An Issue with the Research Skill"
http://mboards.eqtraders.com/eq/showthread.php?t=24747

Basically when they changed Research into a "real" tradeskill.. any INT caster that was old enough to do Research but had not yet visited the trainer got a 254 skill. 100s and 1000s per server.

At first we thought this was a bug with the new EQPlayers.. but it turned out (from people making spells) that is was REAL (I mean like level 20 toons making DoDH spell combines the first time they try any Research.. it's all in that thread).

Ngreth Thergn SOE-DEV wrote:

The issue was passed on when I said it was.

While I do understand that to "you" it is of the highest priority.

Realistically it affects a small portion of the user base (which happens to include "you") so it is not necessarily at the top of the list of things to get done.

Truthfully I do not know where it is in the priority list, just that I have reported it."

So.. basically.. the assumption was "since most of the people will never know that they got 254 in Spell Research, and this is hard to fix, we're letting it slide."

So.. my friend who had spent 2 months of daily vendor diving, and about 500k in plat getting to 251.. should have just played my Mage alt and started at 254.

And it's still not fixed to this day.. why bother? Cause it wouldn't make them any money..

So, yeah, I am rotting in hell for "my" cheating.

/clap /clap /clap

Another reason I quit. I care, but SOE does not. Why pretend to have rules.. it's just annoying.

Edited, Oct 18th 2006 at 10:04am PDT by Felicite

Edited, Oct 18th 2006 at 10:13am PDT by Felicite

#11 Oct 18 2006 at 4:55 PM Rating: Good

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I hava an enchanter alt, I use for vendor diving. I checked he does not have any research skill and was started two years ago this month. I took him to a trainer and trained research, it only went to 19. So it has to more than a two year old toon that never learned research. I agree it should be fixed, but i

Edited, Oct 18th 2006 at 5:56pm PDT by fhrugby

#12 Oct 18 2006 at 5:00 PM Rating: Decent

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I feel bad for everyone that didnt have an opportunity to spend 200 points on it like I did, dont know if that counts as cheating too, but when I started it didnt cap like other "tradeskills" and I really didnt have anything else to spend points on. Now if they would let me spend them on Defense/Offense then maybe.

#13 Oct 19 2006 at 4:22 AM Rating: Decent

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My question is how could some toon under 51 even earn AAs. Whenever I look at the AA window its always dark, ie disabled, for any of my toons below 51.

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#14 Oct 19 2006 at 8:47 AM Rating: Good

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Eqplayers has lots of glithces and is not 100% accurate as to what is actually the stats of players in game.

#15 Oct 19 2006 at 9:49 AM Rating: Decent

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I think its one thing to get 2.5AA per monster mission. Yes we all knew it would get nerfed but it didn't exactly throw the balance off that bad. Earning 71 AA per bonechip, now those people need the AA's taken away or banned one. Dont need people with 8k of AA points running around who didn't earn them.

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#16 Oct 19 2006 at 6:05 PM Rating: Decent

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I dont have any idea how you could get to 8k AA I have like 1370 or so and prior to TSS I had all of them but the tradeskill ones completed and most of those.

I havent figured it out but am guessing that even with TSS your gonna be all the way maxed at around 2500 AA plus maybe the 30 you can have unspent, the highest I can possibly see that this number is 3k AA. I suspect numbers showing 8k AA on EQplayers are part of the glitches that occur on the site.

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