Does the new resting regen change gameplay/tactics?Follow

I LOVE it, at least right now. I'm not even sure if I should say anything... I don't know if it's intended or not, and I'm betting not, but the out of combat mana regen works for bards. Normally, if I blow all my mana on fades, it'll take me around 10 minutes sitting to get it all back, if not a little more. Now, sit down and 3 minutes later I'm good to go for some pulling action. Again, I'm almost certain that it's not intended to work for bards, a la staunch recovery, but that's how it is atm, and I LOVE it.

the tactics are now deciding when the best time is to rest, as a healer youll find that you dont always have the time to rest as when you heal a tank during combat it puts you in combat mode.

what i have been doing is using my reptile spell when one mob gets low (and the puller starts running off to get another mob) then sitting and hoping the tank doesnt need another heal till i have at least been able to take advantage of a little bit of the rest timer.

if im DPSing however its a different story - i DPS till im oom then med up.

shamans and necros who already had insane mana regen may not like this very much, but as a class that is renowned for mana innefficeint spells (druid) - i love this new regen, the wizzies in my guild have nothing but good things to say also as they dont have to med for 10-15 mins anymore.

excellent idea SoE, cant fault them this time, they have done a great job with this new system.

Edited, Sep 21st 2006 at 3:47am EDT by sickseventwenty

OMFG another player complaining that the new regen is too good? Please leave us alone and quit Everquest. Stop trying to keep your sense of the status quo alive.

Yes, I am angry. Whenever they nerf something, the hordes complain. Now they are trying to reduce horrendous amounts of downtime and the hordes are complaining.

Go away.

To Reyla:

I'm sorry you feel that strongly about my comments. No, wait, I'm not sorry, forget that. Your opinion is noted, thank you Reyla. My status quo is retained.

You don't know me but yet you are VERY quick add sarcasm. You want a hug? No, really, it's ok.

BTW, your signature is a mockery /snide

Edited, Sep 23rd 2006 at 1:20am EDT by sprucecln

just cant please some people...

Our group last night (4 arcane casters, a tank and a cleric) were able to keep up a continuous pull in MPG by just rotating thru medding. If one did't cast their way into combat it took about a half a mob to med to full.

I tend toward the skeptical and question the motives often with many of SoE's 'changes' to our game.

I'm having a really hard time finding a down-side to this that even comes close to outweighing the up-sides. :D

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For soloers the change is a huge bonus. I used to balance my mana usage versus the downtime I'd encounter. Sure, I could kill that tougher mob using 100% of my mana, but then I'd have to med for 10 mins. So I would tackle some weaker mobs so I would only med for 3-4 minutes. In theory my exp was moving faster, and I wasn't bored as much. Now, I can tackle that tougher mob and have a short med time. This has led me to make a major gear change...

I am ditching all of my mana regen gear for pure +mana items. Since I am not a raider, my mana regen gear isn't necessarily my best mana gear. More mana will let me have more spells per mob. I am throwing the mana regen gear in my bag so if I have to sit and med for one more dot/nuke, then I'll swap the gear. [I am also holding onto the gear since I believe the OOC regen rate released with the patch will be nerfed.]

I agree with Wayen - it's nice that those of us who prefer to solo can now be more effective, with this new medding system.

That said, although I DO like to solo, this seems another discouragement to grouping, especially given the new potions. With a set of Skinspike, Celestial Healing and Clarity potions, AND this new game system, soloers have it made.

If this regen was durring battle then I would see the issue, the regen kicking in durring down time is IMHO awesome. I notice most of the newer games have done something to deal with this down time and EQ had stuck with the old way, which hurt them IMHO. People got sick of spending so much of their play time sitting waiting to play, thats not what people pay to do. I think this move is a good one as it gets people playing faster and thats what we log on to do. More time spent killing less time spent sitting.

Well I for one want to cast a negative vote.

With shorter med times, how am I supposed to get a beer?
or at the other end of the cycle, go to the bathroom?

Terrible change, Sony. People will be able to play more out of each hour.
Who'd want that ??

Speaking as a Shadowknight, it has made almost no difference for standard chain pulling groups. Very doubtful that it makes much difference to the healers I group with, or any of the hybrids, or melee's. Any nukers, yep I can see them loving it

Ash

I think it's important to note that this is really a discussion of change of pace rather then change of tactics. You're not changing the way you're really killing the mobs as much as how fast you kill them. Yes, this means the casters will be more willing to nuke and DoT more, but the same basic rules for killing the mobs apply.

The pace of combat in the past has been mostly determined by the rate that the cleric can med and keep people healed and the tank can mitigate/avoid damage, and in some instances the pace that the puller could keep mobs in camp. This will naturally probably still be the case.

I think there's going to be 3 major factors in a groups tendency to go with one pace over the other (burn and recover vs steady pace of before).

1. The casters will enjoy the burn and recover pace because it allows them to take more part in the combat and stay busier. They're used to sittin' on their a$$es for long periods of time and getting to stand up and do things more often will be highly gratifying for them. So, casters ability to help kill mobs quickly will encourage the burn and recover pace.

2. Melees I think will get tired of the burn and recover pace rather quickly. They're used to being in almost constant combat and for the most part despise med breaks but deal with it in order stay alive. Again, that puts the pace ball in the casters' court. They're not used to having to take a 3 minute med break every 5 minutes and are going to get very bored very quickly, which is going to lead to inattentive melee doing stupid things like assisting on the wrong mob, accidentally aggroing other mobs, going ninja afk, etc. You don't want your melees/hybrids to get bored (especially the bards, trust me).

3. The rate of experience with one pace vs the other. Most people so far are of the opinion that the burn and recover pace will net more experience in the same amount of time, which actually makes sense. So, people that are just in it to get as much experience as humanly possible in the shortest amount of time possible will probably prefer the burn and recover pace. I personally see this being the hardest driving factor in the pace of single group content.

Now, to reiterate my personal stance on this whole discussion: I LOVE the new regen since it allows my bard to regen all of his mana (enough mana for 4 fades in my case) in 3 minutes after a death instead of taking 5 minutes to regen enough mana for 1 fade. BUT, I'm one of those hybrids that get bored easily. I don't know if it's just my personality or from playing a bard for so long, but I HATE standing there waiting for people to med. You need mana for slows? Med and I'll slow until you're ready. Need mana for mezzes? Med and I'll mez until you're ready. Need mana for snares? Med and I'll snare until you're ready. The only time I really can't say that is for the healer since my heals are rather pitiful HoTs. But, because of that ingame ADD, I need to keep going as much as possible, especially if I'm pulling. I have a tendency to run off and explore during med breaks. If I accidentally aggro something, I fade it off and cower back to the group to impatiently wait for the mana people to wake back up. Now, many (if not all lol) melees/hybrids are just as fidgity as me when it comes to combat. Unfortunately, not all are capable of dropping aggro and will probably die and/or train the group.

So, where am I going with all of this...? I don't know. I guess I'm saying that it's an awesome new feature that I hope doesn't become the driving force behind the combat pace, but I know that it undoubtedly will, which annoys me because I'm an impatient actionwhore in-game. ::grin::

This may be a major change for certain classes, but I would like to assure the OP, who plays a Shaman, that Canni5 is still an incredible AA. It will greatly increase your total mana regeneration whether you can cast it in combat or out of combat.

P.S. Not sure what my signature will say since I haven't posted here in years, but I have a 66 Shaman.