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#52 Aug 10 2006 at 4:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ah, yet another thread sidelined by the likes of Sir Groogle and Jophiel.
Sidelined? I made two posts: one asking about Everquest lore and how it related to a Plane and the other correcting someone's erronous statement about No Drop vendor sold spells.

Is this about you still being butt-hurt from that guild loot thread?
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Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#53 Aug 11 2006 at 1:44 AM Rating: Decent
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for all the people talking about how wrong I am, you would think at least one of them would be able to point out how I'm wrong.


One thing I could say that you are wrong about, well maybe you are not completely wrong but at least you don't see the problem with it Sir Groogle,and that is..

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When the majority of players can't keep up with the progression of the newest expansion and are working on content three expansions eariler you would think Sony would pull their head out and work on gaming aspects that affect the majority of their subsription base and stop producing new expansions.



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sales of an expansion pay for the developement of that expansion. how hard is that to understand?

Lets say you are right about that every expansion pays for itself then the team developing them should be self sufficient. Since they are constantly developing new expansions there should be another team working on improvements, bugfixing and maintainance on old content. I mean, the subscription fee each month must be enough to pay for a lot of people working on old content since nothing of it goes to paying for development of new expansions if you are right about that they pay for themselfs.
I admit that your statement might be right though, but in that case developing new expansions constantly means that SOE gets rich using the same staff for expansions and fixing old content, while we who don't buy the new expansions don't get old content fixed as well as it should for the subscription fee we pay.
#54 Aug 11 2006 at 3:27 AM Rating: Good
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Lets say you are right about that every expansion pays for itself then the team developing them should be self sufficient. Since they are constantly developing new expansions there should be another team working on improvements, bugfixing and maintainance on old content. I mean, the subscription fee each month must be enough to pay for a lot of people working on old content since nothing of it goes to paying for development of new expansions if you are right about that they pay for themselfs.
I admit that your statement might be right though, but in that case developing new expansions constantly means that SOE gets rich using the same staff for expansions and fixing old content, while we who don't buy the new expansions don't get old content fixed as well as it should for the subscription fee we pay

when expansions stop, I can pretty much guarantee that the development team will be halved - or worse.
#55 Aug 11 2006 at 10:08 AM Rating: Default
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HAHAHA, congratulations, you can't spell binomial OR poisson.

maybe my stat class is starting to fade in to my distant memory, but, err... this doesn't seem like something you could apply a poisson distribution model to, anyway.

ah, a grammer policman, too bad you cant comment on content like your "blatant issues", it figures, you can't comment- right I misspelled Poisson and binomial but then you had time to look up correct spelling right, cause you are too dumb to know their uses, as for a poisson probability distribution- It can be used in any query study looking for outcomes say like in Gpss models.
#56 Aug 11 2006 at 10:11 AM Rating: Default
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I don't think there ARE vendor sold LoY spells

Go to PoP library and buy LoY no drop- first time offered there
#57 Aug 11 2006 at 10:23 AM Rating: Default
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I think the real problem is that you're writing in a language that could only loosely be described as "English-like." It's very amusing to see you attack someone's reading levels when you have yet to form a thought in an intelligible manner.

Try reading a legal brief, legal opinion, Attorney General Opinion or a even an Adminstrative agency such as, FERC, FCC or a state public service commmission finding or order. You are obviously lost in the la la land of simple english but ignore statements, phrases and caveats defining any position such as my previous statements. As an example, remember President Bill Clinton's attempt to define his use of the word "is". You will find that simple english structure that ignores the real thought and content of a statement will probably send you to bankrupcy court or worse.
Too bad you don't understand the meaning and impact of the adsurdity of your rebuttal "form a thought" yuk yuk in my statement "New Spells" and "after" Loy, You would be eaten alive by an attorney in cross examination if you attempted to defend your ramblings.
#58 Aug 11 2006 at 10:34 AM Rating: Default
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And bazaar prices have been steadily decreasing over the past 5 years. Things that used to sell for 50-100k regularly sell for less than 5k. Even OoW Runes which started around 20k (on my server, at least) are down to around 5k. Prices in the bazaar are doing nothing but dropping... The new, top end stuff from each expansion gets more expensive, but prices of existing items decrease.

Thank you for making my point. 100k prices did not exist 5 years ago. Further under any economic substitution model as existed before Loy and subsequent "expansions" with rampant and pursuasive no drop, prices always decreased in bazaar as better armour,weapons etc became available to all players.

As for your contradictory statement "prices of existing items decrease" . How can prices for no drop decrease?????? And, extending your misstatements to a possible scenario--- how much more would prices drop on bazaar items if all no drop became available to everyone= that is basic economic substitution in an open market which does not exist in EQ. Your understanding of economics is as bad as your basic understanding of the english language. Start with the word "is" as Bill Clinton did and maybe you can start to understand the real meaning of english sentences.
#59 Aug 11 2006 at 10:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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golfertwo wrote:
Go to PoP library and buy LoY no drop- first time offered there
You're saying that you can now buy the LoY quested spells? Assuming this is true (I don't have the means to check), what's the issue? PoP is open to everyone. All it does is save someone the hassle of camping Luggalds or troll pirates.
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Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#60 Aug 11 2006 at 10:40 AM Rating: Default
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You're saying that you can now buy the LoY quested spells? Assuming this is true (I don't have the means to check), what's the issue? PoP is open to everyone. All it does is save someone the hassle of camping Luggalds or troll pirates.

I bought all my Loy no drop spells at PoP library a long long time ago.
#61 Aug 11 2006 at 11:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#62 Aug 11 2006 at 3:38 PM Rating: Decent
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I bought all my Loy no drop spells at PoP library a long long time ago



Umm, not likely. I just checked Temperance (cleric) and Healing Waters (druid) on here, and both say they are gotten by quest only. I didn't bother checking the other LOY spells for the other classes, but I doubt they would change some and not all of them.

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Try reading a legal brief, legal opinion, Attorney General Opinion or a even an Adminstrative agency such as, FERC, FCC or a state public service commmission finding or order. You are obviously lost in the la la land of simple english but ignore statements, phrases and caveats defining any position such as my previous statements. As an example, remember President Bill Clinton's attempt to define his use of the word "is". You will find that simple english structure that ignores the real thought and content of a statement will probably send you to bankrupcy court or worse.
Too bad you don't understand the meaning and impact of the adsurdity of your rebuttal "form a thought" yuk yuk in my statement "New Spells" and "after" Loy, You would be eaten alive by an attorney in cross examination if you attempted to defend your ramblings.


I love irony.

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Thank you for making my point. 100k prices did not exist 5 years ago. Further under any economic substitution model as existed before Loy and subsequent "expansions" with rampant and pursuasive no drop, prices always decreased in bazaar as better armour,weapons etc became available to all players.

As for your contradictory statement "prices of existing items decrease" . How can prices for no drop decrease?????? And, extending your misstatements to a possible scenario--- how much more would prices drop on bazaar items if all no drop became available to everyone= that is basic economic substitution in an open market which does not exist in EQ. Your understanding of economics is as bad as your basic understanding of the english language. Start with the word "is" as Bill Clinton did and maybe you can start to understand the real meaning of english sentences.


High end items like Blade of Carnage have been selling for over 100kpp for years.

The only other thing I got out of your post was that Billy liked the word "is". I have no idea what that has to do with EQ, but congratulations to him.

Try figuring out the quote function, it would help.
#63 Aug 11 2006 at 4:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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mrwookie wrote:
Umm, not likely. I just checked Temperance (cleric) and Healing Waters (druid) on here, and both say they are gotten by quest only.
I checked the bard and SK spells and they're still quested only. I think he doesn't know what he's talking about or else he thinks LoY stands for something besides the Legacy of Ykesha expansion.
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#64 Aug 12 2006 at 1:11 AM Rating: Good
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ah, a grammer policman.

ironically, you're too stupid to tell the difference between grammar and spelling.

and again, my memory of my stat class is fading at this point... but I'm pretty sure you can't apply the poisson distribution to anything to anything, there are a set of 3 (iirc) conditions that need to be met, and I'm pretty sure EQ prices would fail to meet at least one of those.

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Thank you for making my point. 100k prices did not exist 5 years ago. Further under any economic substitution model as existed before Loy and subsequent "expansions" with rampant and pursuasive no drop, prices always decreased in bazaar as better armour,weapons etc became available to all play

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#65 Aug 12 2006 at 8:17 PM Rating: Excellent
Our guild is a casual raiding guild on 7th hammer. We only raid on Tues Thurs and Sunday. We are still hitting plane of Time because most ppl in our guild are not geared up to that level yet. We finished Ikniz 4 and have yet to even attempt Uqua for Qvic access.
We are far far from raiding in Deathknell.
I liked the OOW expansion the best because there is only one zone that you are locked out of without a serious raiding guild. POR just doesnt have a main zone or two that ppl go and hang out in for exp and some drops. OOW has WOS and MPG and those were major gathering points for many pickup groups. Arcstone just never quite measured up
#66 Aug 14 2006 at 9:31 AM Rating: Decent
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I liked the OOW expansion the best because there is only one zone that you are locked out of without a serious raiding guild. POR just doesnt have a main zone or two that ppl go and hang out in for exp and some drops. OOW has WOS and MPG and those were major gathering points for many pickup groups. Arcstone just never quite measured up

Actually PoR has several zones to xp in and only one zone that you need a serious raiding guild to get keyed for. I've seen many non-raiding toons keyed for ToB as the missions are single group missions for access. Deathnell would be the Anguish of PoR.
#67 Aug 14 2006 at 10:50 AM Rating: Decent
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OOW has WOS and MPG and those were major gathering points for many pickup groups. Arcstone just never quite measured up


I loved the concept of Arcstone.

1. There was an NPC camp with a banker.

2. There are at least five different "camp" areas so it could easily hold 30 people, for a fairly small zone. (No comment on the lag problem)

3. There are a number of quests that either originate in Arcstone, or in Relic, the zone right next door.

4. There are a number of named mobs for each area that have decent drops, including Tier 1 armor quest items, that are not as stupidly rare is in some other expansions.

5. There are "boss" mobs in each area that are for a larger quest, that can be killed by a small raid force of two casual player groups. Or single grouped if you have better gear.

Unfortunately there was one overriding problem with that zone. The experience stunk. Once you finished the quests, you left. Pickup groups were common the first few months, but it is so empty now, WoS is still a better place if you are LFG.



#68 Aug 14 2006 at 3:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Go to PoP library and buy LoY no drop- first time offered there


No, you didn't... LoY spells are and always have been quest only. There were some PoP spells that were No Drop sold in the library. There were even some No Drop Velious spells (that were added sometime after the release of Velious) so your claim that any form of No Drop spell started in LoY is complete and utter rubbish.

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You will find that simple english structure that ignores the real thought and content of a statement will probably send you to bankrupcy court or worse.


The problem is that while your posts contained a modicum of structure, they didn't manage to convey any thought or content at all that could be interpreted by a "reasonable person" as a logical argument. The remains of your post didn't even make sense in context of the discussion at hand.

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Thank you for making my point. 100k prices did not exist 5 years ago. Further under any economic substitution model as existed before Loy and subsequent "expansions" with rampant and pursuasive no drop, prices always decreased in bazaar as better armour,weapons etc became available to all players.

As for your contradictory statement "prices of existing items decrease" . How can prices for no drop decrease?????? And, extending your misstatements to a possible scenario--- how much more would prices drop on bazaar items if all no drop became available to everyone= that is basic economic substitution in an open market which does not exist in EQ.


Cloak of Flames were selling for more than 50k before Kunark came out (extremely rarely, albeit, but none the less... possibly as much as 100k). The first Blade of Carnages on the market went for 500k-1M, now they're in the 100-300k range if that).

Your claim was that the price of Item A increases over time. Where empirical evidence in well over 90% of the cases shows the opposite to be true. Admittedly, your original statement was simply "explosion of bazaar costs" which now you'll claim to be "crystal clear and nobody could possibly interpret such an ambiguous statement to be anything other than what you meant" actually meant the opposite of the obvious and implied meaning (whew). I'm also not sure you understand the concept of the word "contradiction" since you claim my statement that "prices of existing items decrease" is contradictory... and then go on to point out how the cost of existing items decreases.

And nowhere, anywhere, did I mention or even hint at prices of no drop items. Yes, quite obviously prices of existing inferior gear would drop if superior items that were No Drop became tradeable. I won't argue with that, nor did I ever make any claim to the contrary.

Edited, Aug 14th 2006 at 5:44pm EDT by ROzzl
#69 Aug 18 2006 at 8:36 AM Rating: Decent
Dont think our guild has plans to EVER do PoR progression.With new expansions coming out at blinding speed who has the time?Only the very high end guilds have the ability to get an expansion done before the next one comes out.That means only maybe 1 or 2% of those that play EQ will ever get the full experience of the game.Another expansion that will sit empty but HEY HEY theres always another right around the corner.
#70 Aug 18 2006 at 8:39 AM Rating: Decent
Dont think our guild has plans to EVER do PoR progression.With new expansions coming out at blinding speed who has the time?Only the very high end guilds have the ability to get an expansion done before the next one comes out.That means only maybe 1 or 2% of those that play EQ will ever get the full experience of the game.Another expansion that will sit empty but HEY HEY theres always another right around the corner.
#71 Aug 18 2006 at 9:24 PM Rating: Decent
Have completed PoR. And tbh, fight with Ayonae Ro was a bit of a let down after the events to get to her.
#72 Aug 19 2006 at 11:40 AM Rating: Decent
So, just to get an idea of what percentage of players are "hard-core raiders", where on this poll would you make a line saying that those above that line are hard-core? As in, one of the reasons often given for expansions every 6 months is that the hard-core run out of things to do, and so they need to make more expansions to retain those members.

Since I raid once to twice a week at most, I am not really up to speed on how tough, and what is the progression for PoR. So, I am not sure what is the timeframe to jump from one level to the next on Railus' poll.

Being generous, I would probably put the line at those who have access to the Theater of Blood and have done at least one raid in there. After all, the next expansion is next month, and if you aren't at least that far, then you won't be "bored" by next month.

If the line is put there, then those at that level and above come out to 14.4% (at the time of this post the numbers are 6.8+3.2+.9+3.5) of the EQ population as hard-core, and are ready for the next level by the time the next expansion comes out.

If you want to be a little tougher on who raids to the end of each expansion, only 3.5% are done with PoR, with another .9% almost there.

My point? I was always curious as to about what percentage of the population actually really is bored within the 6 months between expansions. It looks to me that it is at most 14.4% and at least 3.5%.

Disclaimer: I am not trying to start some stupid war between casual and hard-core. That is so overplayed it is ridiculous. Everyone plays the game at their own speed, I don't care what others do, or how much time they spend playing. I have just always been curious as to what percentages really do raid to the end of each expansion, and I am looking for feedback as to whether my assumptions are close or not.
#73 Aug 20 2006 at 8:52 AM Rating: Decent
I swear people just copy and paste the same things they said about last expansion to the newest one.

1) they need to fix old content first (well 99.9% of the old content is working, and searching who knows how many lines of code to find the .1 to fix a level 12 quest seems kind of silly, maybe put a broken quest forum up and post them so people know not to do them, and just for the record, I have done probably 1000 quests in this game and never ran into a broken 1)
2) Sony just puts out new expansions to make more money ( Umm I think thats the reason they started the business in the first place, so until the Red Cross starts funding video games, lets just "ASSUME" that they do it for the money)
3) I will never see the content thats in the game now, why would I buy the newest one. ( OK, dont. If you are not done with what your doing in game yet and dont want/need, dont buy it, others are rdy so they will)
4) Bazaar prices are so inflated (Bazaar is a nice place to visit, but you may want to venture out into the adventure world sometime. (go shroud a rog with sos someday, then go learn the high end zones where the raid guilds xp at, take your toon and sit quietly at zone line and wait for " Rotting (name of piece) first one here can have it," then go pick it up. I ooc gear all the time, mostly no drop thats twice as good as anything you find in bazaar.
5) All that stuff is meant for raiding guilds ( I am in a raiding guild, and players at high end complain how easy stuff is in new expansions all the time, anyway if you dont want to raid fine, but I do remember the word "MASSIVE" being whispered about this game at some point.)


I know I missed alot, but those seem to be the ones that first come up every time.

Just remember, its just a game, progress how you want, but dont think Sony is just doing things for your benifit, and dont go strictly by the polling numbers because they are skewed bad. I voted once but have 5 accounts, and I would venture to bet that almost all that say they have ToB flag have more than one, so if it was by account you would see those numbers reflected hard to most have done at least some of the PoR expansion. I myself look forward to new expansion, they always ***** something up, insane drop rates on nice easy to get items, level 45 group mob dropping high end raid stuff, pet classes being able to summon as many pets as they want, and the list goes on and on, (Btw all those have really happened on new expansion days and cant wait to see what happens next time)

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