DPS rankingsFollow

Here's one for the steelwarrior type.
It'd be great to have a readout showing what the average DPS is for (somewhat equally geared) classes.

ROG
WIZ
BER
MNK


I am currently boxing two ROG in a 6 man group right now but am finding that managing push isn't something for a single person to do. I don't know how much DPS I would be missing out on if I switched out my melee for wizards though.

I know that blasts push mobs too, but I'm sure it's got to be half the push one would experience from running melee DPS.

I have also heard that ROG are best on bosses because their backstabs aren't mitigated much by armor or resistances.

Backstab is treated like any other melee attack. Your attack rating vs. mob ac, take your (base damage + damage modifier) + (damage range - mitigation) = your damage.

The only reason it might be thought of as being mitigated less is it is not subject to parry, riposte, and dodge if used from the rear of the mob.

I don't know if there are specific calc's used for large HP mobs, but I can say from my experience that my Rogue will backstab for more DpS vs. a raid mob than a non-raid mob. (Basically more higher damage range of hits).

As far as DpS of a Rogue, their attack rating is capped at the same point as a warrior, where as a ranger can go higher, making them push out more DpS in general. Backstabs are definately more efficient and less aggro producing than a wizard nuke, etc.

Just my opinion on it, but a rogue will pump out alot more damage during a longer fight than a caster, say averaging about 180dps from backstabs, whereas a caster can do more damage, but the aggro generated would lead them to a short end, or at least a long med break before they can continue to add DpS, not to mention resists, again putting melee in the forefront.

As for multi-boxing, caster's are much easier since you can fire and forget using macros for casting at the push of a button and med while you manage your melee toons, and as you said mob positioning isn't an issue really. Personally I avoid using DD caster's in my multi-box kit because they die way too fast. Drink lots of coffee, and get a swivel chair or an integrated keyboard network for all 6 comps, and use paint-markers to highlight your important macro / hotkeys for fast recognition on your keyboard, and have a ball!

no, necros are still up there with the best for DPS

nope we wont stop the nerf threads!!! EVER!!! even though necro DPS isn't what people think(resists can kill a necro hard core....). We will nerf then b/c wer hate them >_>

Breaking news: the new DPS ranks are in!

1. Necros.
2. SKs who think they're Necros.
3. Everyone else.

Assuming equal gear, resist rate and duration of the fight

1. Necro - always on boss mobs.
2. Wiz/Rog
3. Ber - can sometimes be in the #2 group depending on mob positioning.
4. Monk/Ranger/Mage
5. Everyone else

I don't really see necros up there anymore mostly Rogues wizards and Zerkers

wizards get like three times the aggro necros do...

You dont parse much do you?
Rouge's, zerkers and even rangers outdps wizards on constant basis in high end raiding atleast with same gear and decent amount of AAs (700+).

Cant speak for PoR or Demiplane yet tho. Still have Queen Sendaii to slay.

Anyone saying that wizards are up there with rogues and zerkers on the average fight is just stupid and ignorant.

Im no1 wiz dps wise in my guild.. Currently breaking into DP (only queen left to kill). We killed Vish, and have CoA which takes 3h to clear cept omm.
On hanvar for example I do around 1k dps which is basicly the same as our best rangers. Our zerker do 1.4kdps and our no.1 rogue 1.6k. Sure there are fights where I come out on top of them all doing 1.6kdps, but most encounters are to long for wiz dps since we are burst dps.. Sustained dps we have worse then warriors :/ And so many fights theese days are melee centric with spellslows, manadrains, rediculus resists and very long etc. So overall, yah, wiz get beaten even by rangers (atleast when rangers are equally geared (CoA,tacvi,epic2.0,DoN and some DoD) and around same AA amount (700+))

Sure I did 2150 dps the other day.. Fight was like 30 sec and I got lucky and got 3 crits in a row. But im talking average here.

Rangers are far from bad. They are great dps and can do million things.

You know The diffrence between harry potter and a ranger?
One cant fight his way out of a wet paper bag and the other one is a wizard!!! ;)

I don't regularly see 1.4k dps from tacvi/anguish geared zerkers/rogues, except when they're discing, and you should be clearing from one named to another in tacvi or anguish before their discs refresh. and really, 1.6k dps is stretching it for a zerker who's not demi/por geared, even disced. zerker with 2.0 and a mix of don/tacvi/anguish tends to be more like 1300, maybe 1400, and rogues are less.

I dispute the fact that rangers can do "so many more things" that are beneficial to a group than wizzies, ignoring DPS:

1) Timed invis?--both get

2) CC? Kiting and root parking for both

3) Snarer?--both get

4) Offtank?--obviously nod goes to the ranger here.

5) Healing?--Nod to ranger here as well, although their heals really only good for downtime to conserve cleric mana. Most of the clerics I've grouped with lately don't really need the help.

6) Evac/Teleport?--Nod to wizzie here.

7) Buffs/Other utility?--Ranger wins here too since wizzie has no real buffing ability(levitate, and maybe spellshield in a caster heavy situation)

So, for me, I guess it's just a matter of personal preference. I could understand why someone would prefer a ranja over a wiz, but a wizzie, especially a well-played one, can be quite beneficial to a group as well. The ranger has a few more uses, but their offtank/healing abilities are limited at best (unless really well-geared/aa'd), and their buffs, while nice for melee, aren't the reason you get them in group in the first place. Personally, being a wiz, I like the get out of jail free card that an Evac/Exo can give you. Not to mention the ability to just go somewhere else on a whim should your current hunting grounds become unfavorable.

As far as DPS, I usually outshine rangers I've been grouped with, unless as stated above they are really well-geared, and I don't have all my weapons yet. As soon as I get some of my bigger spells I'll be even more dangerous. So, in conclusion, when you see the ranger and the wizzy LFG, and you don't know either one, try the wizzy once in a while. You might be pleasantly surprised.

Sincerely,

Someone who wants a group to realize I'm LFG and I kick ***


Biltene Flaymestryke
70 wiz
C-T