best tank?Follow

Well that's 'cause we take on things besides 'a moss snake'. I'm sure running away from 5 'a skeleton' seems like a good way to get out of 'a sticky situation', but when you just happen to **** off a mob that summons you might change your tune (toon).

This topic is a bit of a pummeling the deceased equine, but here is my take:

Warriors are better suited for the MT role in raids than knights.

Knights perform well in certain situations, with more utility than warriors. Utility is NOT tanking.

A warrior with a supporting cast is ultimately the 'best' tank, but you cannot always have that. Hence the need for utility.

Umm.. did you catch the part where I said I was a green pile of goo? I meant that I was dead... i.e. a corpse. You can protect your group while you're a corpse? That IS impressive!

Specifically what I was referring to is during a high level content encounter where a wipe is imminent. I, like many other tanks, will stand there, burn discs, use AE taunt or whatever methods we have available to grab as much agro from the mob(s) as possible while the rest of the group/ raid evacs, succors, camps or zones so that the wipe is (hopefully) avoided - or at least one cleric can escape the imminent wrath. Then, they come back, rez my green butt rebuff me and we get back to the matter at hand - killing our target. This avoids having to rez and rebuff everyone, then have to break back into the zone or area we were fighting. Make sense?

However, if you have found a way to avoid group/ raid wipes altogether, please let us all know... I for one would love to learn those tactics.



1. Yes, your words seemed a bit harsh.

2. As far as your RP question... I don't do that and I wasn't in my post (at least not intentionally).



/em checks this post for role-playing-ish sounding stuff...

OMG!!!

ROFLMAO!!!!

Dot, you little vixen...


Someday you'll figure out why that's so funny, Kate.

did i do something to you?

are you people about done gang-raping my karma?

i made one poorly worded statement to ONE poster and i am attacked.

why?

i'll ask again. what did i say to you to cause you to rate me down. are you just mean? is this some kind of power trip? do you like making people feel bad?

i've been posting for about nine months now. as i understand it you can't rate down posts more than a month old. i don't think there are many besides today's that are in that category. there are a couple other threads i've posted on today though.

why do you like making people feel bad?

does that dog have a hole in it's head?

As everyone knows, I dont rate...

You are correct ladyp, Beastlords are not good tanks, not surprised your Shammy needs to take care of itself.

Kriegs outlined one role of a good tank, drawing aggro in a bad situation (and surviving long enough), so others can escape and regroup. Much easier to get off a 9-second succor spell if Mobs are beating on the tank and not your squishy druid self.

It happens, one example:
Three toons in Sebilis, fairly deep in but on first level still. One froglok runs and brings down the house.

We have:
Warrior
Monk
Enchanter

Yup, no cleric or other healer. Yes we held our own camping the chef room until one runner got away. Warrior was able to hold aggro until monk FDd and chanter gated. Then he burned discs/popped healing potion and ran for the zone and surprisingly made it.

And sheesh, take a joke for crying out loud...

There are many things you can consider for a 2 box combo. I'll work on that aspect.

Tanks:
Knight classes get 5% mitigation with a shield equipped. Warriors get 4% Mitigation no matter what (no warriors don't get an extra 5% with a shield). In order for a Knight to DpS well they need to use 2HS, thereby losing their mitigation bonus. (Supporting Link)

Healers:
Druids can add the DpS your 1HS Knight is lacking, just as much as you would rely on lifetap and pally heals to make up for where the druid is weak.
Shamans get slows and haste, any tank class can do well with a shaman.
Clerics have the super heals, but lack DpS.

It all depends on what you fight. Does the mob hit fast? Shoulda got a damage shield or a slow. Does it hit hard? Shoulda went for bigger heals and more HP. You get the idea. Basically all 2 boxing is going to do for you is make you want to 3 box.


Edit: Forgot to mention this quote;

The cap on AC in the Velious era wasn't a soft cap; it was a hard cap that had been there from day 1. After a certain point, which differed for each class, the benefit of more AC didn't just diminish - it dropped to nothing.

The change I referred to, just before PoP, changed that from a hard cap to a soft cap. You get a percentage of the amount over that soft cap. Shields increase both your total and your soft cap, making them more effective than any other item with equal AC. Your mitigation AAs, level, and class also affect the cap and the percentage return for AC over it.

Separate from this, there are diminishing returns if your AC is much greater than the NPC's attack. This is due to the nature of the formulas that produce the probability distributions that have been well documented on this board.(Supporting Link)Supporting Link

Edited, Fri Apr 28 15:37:06 2006 by Komzur

^^^ That's like me saying "I can get aggro with my druid by throwing on a bunch of spells and stuff but it takes a lot of mana to keep me alive because I have no mitigation/avoidace."

Actually... it's exactly that.

beastlords can tank for groups yes....but they have to be the right type of group(I remember back before OoW my fav group was 2xbst 2xwizzies a cleric and a chanter and we would grind massive AAs chaining rains in PoV inner/outer/whatever else they could find 6-8 mobs at a time, faster AAs than fire at the time). But they tend to die on the bigger mobs.......fast.....

/applaud jeffgb

Well said!