Guild Loot Systems - Your Preference?Follow

If the officers are good then awarded loot best serves the guild.......but that rarely happens so I like regular set item price DKP preson with the most points that bids on the item wins it and looses the points(not a fan of full loss systems)

hey I know of that guild
wasn't there a cleric named profet in it?

been in guilds which have used Need before greed, Random, and DKP bids. I have liked both NBG, but it like DKP but teh work it puts the officers to is considerable

Can anyone explain DKP to me? (I must sound like a real newbie)

Thanks

Druid - 57th Season

We earn points based on attendance to various raids then /random a range. The high end of the range is 100 points higher than the person with the most points and the low end is different for everyone based on your points. For example: I have 200 points and Xegony has 1200 points earned. I would roll /random 200 1300 and Xegony would roll /random 1200 1300. I still have a chance to get the item but not as good as Xegony. If you win an item you go to a -1 and start rebuilding points based on further attendance. You may not roll on an item until you are out of the negative at least and there is another rule I forget.

Perfect? No, but it works for us.

I'm in favor of NBG because not everone can attend all the raids to get the DKPs. The DKP system is unfair to the casual player. I also like the random as a second to NBG incase nobody needs the item and several players want it for alts. Officer vote is also a good for disputes.

I'm suprised "Ratio" isn't listed. Seend it in a few guilds now.

The formula is (Raids Attendded)/(Times looted). Go to ten raids and loot twice? Your ratio is five.

The person with the highest ratio has rights to one piece of loot. If people have the same ratio and want the same loot, they ran 1k.

For the record, I don't like the system. It's totally anti-NBG and doesn't even consider those who have just started raiding nor those with less ratio but higher demand for the item.

With DKP by Bids, even someone with very little dkp can go all in (thus showing how bad he wants the item) and lots of people would back down. Not with ratio.

The heavy thought for the day...

OK, guild loot systems are just like systems of government:

DKP (either form)= capitalistic economies, the more you raid, the more you get. Here are the problems, the people who don't raid very often ***** that they don't get enough. But this type of guild generally attracts solid players who raid a high attendance because this is the only type of guild in which they control their own destiny as far as loot goes.

Officer or Guild Leader choosing= this is a dictatorship, and just like with any dictatorship in the real world, the success throughout history has depended solely on the ability of the leader to make the right choices. The main problem here is that players feel like they have no choice, and this system also breeds a feeling of favoritism.

Need Before Greed= this is socialism. The people who raid a lot, push the guild to new heights, watch as some guy who raids once every two weeks link on a Darkblade of the Warlord and get it. Why? Because his need is greater because he never f#$king raids. NBG works if the main people in the guild are not hardcore raiders, all have roughly the same attendance, and just really don't care. But the problem here is, you will never keep the players that push a guild to new heights, log on and raid a lot, and desire to make their toon better. There is no reward for making a lot of raids. Socialism sounds good on paper, love your fellow man, but it doesn't progress in real life or in game.

Honestly, I like a straight up DKP system with a set value of loot. Why? Because there is no politics involved, if you want to plan and wait for a drop you can, and people don't have to wonder if their leader likes them, or if the officers are babying so-and-so, or if somebody who logs on twice a month to raid will get the uber drop for a zone they may not even be flagged for (gotta raid for flags).

It should also be noted, if you are wantin to form a guild to raid at the highest end of the game, 99% of all uber high end raiding guilds run off some form of DKP (or a loot system based on attendance). If you don't believe me, look up the top ten guilds, and ask them what system they use. You can bet it isn't NBG.

So if you want a mid-level guild, that raids more as friends, NBG works. But if you want your guild to push to endgame, gear up, and be "uber" you will have to have some form of loot that factors in attendance. And that "leaders pick" system is just asking for trouble, just watch as the same clique stays around because they get loot, and the other people get pissed off and leave.

I'm RIIIIICH BEEYATCH!!! (HONK HONK)

DKP = Dragon Kill Points.

The word was first used during the Velious period when dragons was the main raid target at the high end.

Not sure if *Afterlife from Mithanial Marr was the first guild to use the term, but thier DKP page was open to anyone visiting thier website.
(indeed, they had a huge database of item and the DKP cost of each item, end even how much the item had been deflated over a period of time as the guild got more powerful and the older items became more and more trivial).

Anyway, thats my 2 cents worth of Lore.

*Afterlife, for years since the inception of EQ, until thier departure in the Gates of Discord expansion, was considered the most elite raiding guild on all the servers. They often was the first to accomplish a raid target, even before SOE would tweak the encounters so that other guilds could defeat the same encounter.

The most famous of the events was the final event in Plane of Earth (B), which in its original form was all but undefeatable. I can't even say for sure Afterlife beat THAT in its first form. Although at least one guild, serverwide did. After SOE tweaked the event, Afterlife for sure was able to beat the event, but even then it was still almost impossible.

Afterlife was for sure the most famous for finding raid bugs, then complaining loudly to SOE, which often would fix the bug, but certainly never catered to Afterlife, since it could be weeks, or even months before SOE actually "got around" to fixing and or revamping the encounter(s).

To get a bit more specific on the Plane of Earth(b) event, which is called the Avatar of Earth event, you have to kill 12 mobs within a very specific and short amount of time.
In the original version, you had to bring each mob down to say 3% health, then Offtank the mob, each in turn, so that in the end, the raid could quickly kill all the mobs within a few minutes. I don't know what the original revamp of the encounter was, but the end revamp allowed a raid to mez 6 of the mobs, which lessed the difficulty by quite a factor.

(in the original form, you couldn't mez any of the 12 mobs. Not sure what SOE did to revamp that, but I described its current and final form)

I would have to dispute the 'fairness' of NBG. Rather than being 'unfair', a properly administered DKP system is the only innately fair system possible. Rewards are very simply based on the precept that effort in equals effort out.

My guild has an enchanter that has been with us for over five years. In the three and a half years since we established our point system, she has managed to attend over 375 raids around a 90% attendance rating. She has not looted an item since 10/22/05. She has looted an average of four items per year. If I ran an army instead of a guild, she would be, hands down, my most decorated soldier. She has been efficient, effective, and many times, a heroic raider. Over the years, she has given us both her time and her tears. Why should she not be allowed to occasionaly simply take an item as a reward for her commitment and loyalty? Should I throw it all away because it's an upgrade of 10 mana more for a wizard we see online twice a month? That, imho, would be the height of rudeness and unfairness.

Edited, Sat Mar 4 13:32:35 2006 by Arathena

I really Prefer NBG maybe it is that im a casual player and i really feel that the DKP system was setup by the greedy peeps who really have no life but EQ
Thats just my 2 cents

Haha ive been in top end guilds with DKP systems and usually the ones with the most points are lonely, pathetic weirdo's with no life unless its with some other weirdo and a animated person on a computer screen

We use a DKP system as well. You get 5 DKP when you join. Each raid is assigned a worth up to 10 points depending on toughness for the guild. Example would be LMM worth 10 and TT worth 6. Loot is linked to the raid and a officer is designated as the focus for 1 item. If 3 items drop 3 officers will each take a item. Selected person sends out PST with DKP bibs on "insert item name".
If you are interested in a item you would send a tell. When bidding is closed the officer will anounce who won with how many DKP.
People use NBG in guild looting? I only thought that it was used in groups. How would that work anyway? Sorry cleric, I know you have been with the guild since it first started but the enchanter over there has been with us 1 week and says it is a upgrade for him. 2 days later said enchanter leaves guild.