Zerker, Cleric, Wiz and...?Follow

what would compliment this group the best you think?

Titanium is in the mail right now, so I should be able to start two boxing some stage. We (intend to play with a friend) already have a 65 Wiz, 70 Cleric and a baby zerker (currently in training). I myself will be boxing the Wiz and the new toon.

I already thought of BL (offtank, slow, DPS), Shaman (slow, backup heal, buffs), Necro (DPS, can FD, backup Rez), Ranger (track, and DPS at later stages). but am still undecided...

what would you do, and why?

thank you for your input

edit: typo

Edited, Tue Feb 28 06:57:45 2006 by Kajolus

Well, I would say someone that can slow. The game gets that much easier when you have cheal and slow. I would give the shaman the nod before the beastlord due to the added HP buffs.

If you don't want to go that route, I would then recommend a plate tank.

thank you for your answer so far :) well, the zerker was supposed to act as MT, but the idea with the plate tank is something I should keep in mind. especially, as I already have a 50 pallie I could transfer to the new account...

so, Ranger/Necro you wouldn't even consider then? apart from the fact of course, that there is no such thing as a perfect setup. I am just trying to collect input here.

also, what is it like to box a tank? do i have to have lightninglike reflexes or so? ;)

hmmm....

Edit: 'nother typo...

Edited, Tue Feb 28 09:52:53 2006 by Kajolus

Ok, let me summarize:

Player 1 = Zerker and new toon
Player 2 = Cleric and Wizard

First, boxing two melee is tough due to melee range issues. You either have to keep repositioning the mob to be in range of both players, or you have to keep alt-tabbing between the instances to move the characters into melee range. It is not impossible or even hard, just annoying when the mob moves out of melee range for one or the other toon.

With the group that you have, having slow would open up tons of content for you. Without slow, you will be having to heal through the mobs DPS. On the flip side, a plate tank would mitigate more damage than a chain thus lessening the need for slow, but not completely replacing the need for it.

Lets say you add a shaman to your group. The shaman can buff, slow, dot and pet DPS. You never have to move the shaman, so you can concentrate more on the melee. With the group already of zerker, cleric, shaman, and wizard, you could almost add any other toon via pick-up (except cleric) and add to the effectiveness of the group. So if you saw a plate tank LFG, you could add that person and just let them tank.

A ranger is nice to box once you get endless quiver. Hit auto-fire and flip back to the zerker.

A necro is nice as well. Send in the pet and load up the dots. Lots of DPS. You could hunt in undead areas with the necro level 39 slow as well.

Ok, knowing that, adding another melee wouldn't be that hard to box.

Beastlord comes into play. You get slow and DPS. Since it is on the wizard account, you are only controlling one melee.

I agree a shaman is the best choice here(though a beastlord would be a close second)

I'd just go with the shaman(over the beastlord) for addition buffs and healing backup.

I thought about mentioning a chanter
But I would rather have the back up heals and melee buffs since the zerker is tanking
Though a bard might not be a bad idea

Edited, Tue Feb 28 16:27:26 2006 by elorianBLAH

thank you all for the great input so far. seems like it'll be the shammie...not 100% sure, yet, but looks like it. although BL, Ranger and Necro are not out yet...

as to chanter. hmm, I'd be afraid that I wouldn't be able to play him effectively, cause there surely is a learning curve. even more so with bards. from what I gathered, twisting is an art.

I'll agree with the slower idea. I've occasionally had some issues with a zerker tanking and holding aggro. One advantage a chanter would have over a shaman in this respect is they do have tools to help increase/decrease aggro, but it won't be easy to maximize these in a two box setting I would think.

I would go with a shaman or a chanter over pretty much anything else, though, given your current set-up.

While I do agree, I think a zerker with a slower would hold up better than a plate tank without a slower in most cases, though. Thoughts?

I'd keep the Cleric and Wiz, then get a Shammy for slows, dots, and buffs. However I'd replace the Zerker with a SK. An SK would be good for boxing since it is a good tank, with utility like FD for pulling and snares (which the group lacks).

This may pose a problem though if you have you heart set on the Zerker and don't want to replace him. However, this would allow you to do a lot later that you could not do with the Zerker, or if you lacked a slower. These 4 would be a good set up because you have pretty much the best in every essential part of the group: Cleric (best healer), Shammy (best slower), Shadow Knight (good tank class with utility), and Wizzy (insane dps). You'd also have a nice buff line up for the tank with a cleric and shammy.

Well that's my input. I play a Druid Chanter combo and would not recommend a chanter, since they can require most of your attention when trying to CC. Having an SK for FD pulling would eliminate the need for CC also as long as you can single pull with him hehe.

As a side note the Shammy could be good down the road if you decide to make new toons for your group. I've seen a lot of shammies PLing lower toons in bot and other places, so that could give you more options later also.

last night when I went to bed I also thought (and agreeing about the SK idea) that we have no designated puller...sure, the Cleric can paci, but still, there are limits to that. so either replace the zerker with an SK or a Monk. I'd prefer the monk, as with having a Shammie I think the monk can tank very well. with the SK we'd loose DPS big time...

player 1: Wizard and Shammie
player 2: Cleric and SK/Monk

hmmm...

as to the comment that our group has no snare: sure, the wizzie can (and the zerker too I believe).

one question though to the cleric: what exactly are the limitations to him using Pacy?

Don't forget that somewhere in the middle of all these posts, the OP made a comment about possibly starting at 3rd account to move the paladin over.



Or at least that is how I read it. So, if you do 3-box and your friend 2-boxes, you have increased your options significantly. Here is what your paladin would bring to the group:

--puller with pacify
--back-up healer, especially group heals
--back-up rezzer
--nice HP buff
--great aggro tank

Knowing that, I'd still avoid another melee since each of you are controlling one melee already. An enchanter and a shaman might be neck-and-neck for the new toon. I would still side with the shaman thought because in a boxed situation, I think the shaman's dots and pet would be more beneficial to the group.

From my aspect, I 4-box. I used to play Warrior, Cleric, Druid, and Necro. It is a 14k hp warrior (buffed withing group), so most mobs were not an issue until i got to newer content and the mobs would just eat through the warriors HP. I changed the necro to a shaman, and now the newer content is a lot easier. That is why I am recommending the shaman.