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Been away a looong time and just started playing again. What is the max haste a character can have? I mean for example will fbss and schw stack now? Thanks for the help.
You may only have one item haste. You may also have one spell haste. There are some songs/spells that stack but as a general rule of thumb you can only have one or the other.
Maximum (over)haste is well over 100% but as for the exact number I'm not sure. However to achieve that the planets need to line up exactly and give a group hug.
Maximum (over)haste is well over 100% but as for the exact number I'm not sure. However to achieve that the planets need to line up exactly and give a group hug.
I heard your weapon delay Cant get below 9 no matter what
Bard song haste+ item haste +haste buff... maybe a few items clickies that have a song type haste stack aslo but i dont know
Bard song haste+ item haste +haste buff... maybe a few items clickies that have a song type haste stack aslo but i dont know
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Eqdiva.com has some great guides on haste. I suggest you read them as they really break down some misconceptions on this subject.
I will offer a quick guide here without getting into too many specifics.
You can have three kinds of haste
1. Item haste ex. silver chitin handwraps 22% (if you have two items with haste, only the highest figure is used.)
2. Spell or bard haste ex. speed of salik 68% (yes some buffs will both appear in your buff box at the same time, but only highest haste percentage applies, though other effects of the buffs do stack such as strength, dex, etc.)
Ok so now we are at 90% haste. By the way, the total combined haste you can reach with 1 and 2 is +100%, so if instead of SCHW in step one we had an item with 40% haste it would still cap out at 100%.
3. Bard overhaste. There are a few lines which can break the cap of 100%, they also stack with both 1 and 2. These are the Ervaj and Vah Shir line which add overhaste which can also break the cap. Then there is the line with songs such as Eriki's Psalm of Power which add stackable overhaste plus other effects. The max haste from one of the songs is 30%.
So in our example: SCHW 22% + Salik 68% + Eriki 30% overcap we come to 120% haste.
If I happened to have missed anything please feel free to correct me so that we don't get any more misconceptions out there about haste. (Yes, this means you Jophiel)
Once again, go check out eqqdiva, they are better at explaining this than me.
(grammar and punctuation ftw)
Edited, Sun Jan 8 19:31:52 2006 by DiscordeFades
I will offer a quick guide here without getting into too many specifics.
You can have three kinds of haste
1. Item haste ex. silver chitin handwraps 22% (if you have two items with haste, only the highest figure is used.)
2. Spell or bard haste ex. speed of salik 68% (yes some buffs will both appear in your buff box at the same time, but only highest haste percentage applies, though other effects of the buffs do stack such as strength, dex, etc.)
Ok so now we are at 90% haste. By the way, the total combined haste you can reach with 1 and 2 is +100%, so if instead of SCHW in step one we had an item with 40% haste it would still cap out at 100%.
3. Bard overhaste. There are a few lines which can break the cap of 100%, they also stack with both 1 and 2. These are the Ervaj and Vah Shir line which add overhaste which can also break the cap. Then there is the line with songs such as Eriki's Psalm of Power which add stackable overhaste plus other effects. The max haste from one of the songs is 30%.
So in our example: SCHW 22% + Salik 68% + Eriki 30% overcap we come to 120% haste.
If I happened to have missed anything please feel free to correct me so that we don't get any more misconceptions out there about haste. (Yes, this means you Jophiel)
Once again, go check out eqqdiva, they are better at explaining this than me.
(grammar and punctuation ftw)
Edited, Sun Jan 8 19:31:52 2006 by DiscordeFades
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I heard your weapon delay Cant get below 9 no matter what
not true
DiscordeFades wrote:
If I happened to have missed anything please feel free to correct me so that we don't get any more misconceptions out there about haste. (Yes, this means you Jophiel)
Are you saying I have misconceptions or you're asking me to correct you?
Item + Spell/Song + Overhaste... Yup, yup.
Except I think Ervaj caps at 100% which is why no one ever uses it. It pretty much 'filled the haste bucket' as opposed to overflowing it, if that makes sense. But, then again, who on God's earth actually uses the Ervaj line that we need to care?
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Scholar
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No, Jophiel. I may have typed that wrong. I was hoping for you to correct me if I had made any errors. I've been learning tons of info from your posts for quite awhile now. Keep sharing the knowledge.
And much agreed on Ervaj doesn't seem to merit being twisted in. So many better things to use that slot for.
Edited, Mon Jan 9 09:14:42 2006 by DiscordeFades
And much agreed on Ervaj doesn't seem to merit being twisted in. So many better things to use that slot for.
Edited, Mon Jan 9 09:14:42 2006 by DiscordeFades
Max haste 130%
Worn Haste plus Salik usally = 100%
Eriki's Psalm of Power = 30% over haste (even ancient is still 30% over haste)
Not sure there is anyway to get faster than 130%
Worn Haste plus Salik usally = 100%
Eriki's Psalm of Power = 30% over haste (even ancient is still 30% over haste)
Not sure there is anyway to get faster than 130%
Haste comes in five types:
Worn: Haste generated as a "Worn" effect of equipment.
Spell: Haste generated by buffs from spells.
Bardv2: Bard songs which generate Haste.
Over or v3: Generated by some Bard songs and one in-game clickable dropped from OMM.
Quiver: Affects bows only at 1/2*Weight Reduction of quiver. I am unsure of the game mechanics behind this and how it is applied.
Note- If an item has an effect of clickable or proccable Haste (as in, its not "Worn" Haste on the item), then this counts as Spell Haste.
The absolute cap for the combination of Worn, Spell, and Bard Haste is 100% with one exception. This means, no matter how much Haste items, buffs, and songs one has on at once, 100% is the max. The exception, though, is important.
"v3" Haste is the one exception. Currently, only some (not all) Bard songs and the Overlord's Signet (I'm sure I murdered the name)'s clickable buff provide this sort of Haste. There may be a cap to this, but, if there is, its currently unknown. The practical cap is 30%, since these do not stack with eachother, and the highest source, from a Bard song, is 30%.
Therefore, maximum Haste is 130%.
-100% provided by a combination of Worn and Buff Hastes. (Many ways of doing this)
-30% from the Bard "overHaste", or "v3" Haste.
The formula for delay is: |{Weapons Delay} * [1/(1 + {Haste})]|
So, if you have 100% Haste with a 20 Delay weapon, its: |20*(1/[1+100*.01])| = 10 Delay.
Note delay is capped with a 9 minimum. Therefore, if you have a very low delay weapon, with very high Haste, you may be hitting the cap, in which case the DPS you would expect isn't coming out.
1 Delay = 1/10th of a second. So, 9 delay is 90% of a second. 0.9 seconds is the minimum time between attacks under ideal conditions.
Do note that Bows have an additional source of Haste. This Haste is determined by one half their Weight Reduction. A Tailored Quiver has 22% Weight Reduction; when a bow draws arrows from it, it adds 11% Haste. This is a major reason the Fleeting Quiver, with its 60% Weight Reduction, and, hence, a 30% Bow Haste, is so valuable. I do not know how Bow Haste is factored in. My best guess would be is that it adds to the Worn and Buff Haste, contributing to it up to the 100% Haste cap, but.. well, I'm simply not sure. If anyone knows, an update would be great.
In short:
Iff (Worn Haste + Buff Haste + Bardv2) < 100%, then:
Delay,Effective = Delay,Weapons / (1 + (WornH + BuffH + Bardv2 v3H))
Iff (Worn Haste + Buff Haste + Bardv2) > 100%, then:
Delay,Effective = Delay,Weapons / (2 + v3H)
In no case can Delay be less than 9, so, if {Delay,Effective} computes to less than 9, it becomes 9.
Edited, Mon Jan 9 15:48:48 2006 by ReofblMobile
Worn: Haste generated as a "Worn" effect of equipment.
Spell: Haste generated by buffs from spells.
Bardv2: Bard songs which generate Haste.
Over or v3: Generated by some Bard songs and one in-game clickable dropped from OMM.
Quiver: Affects bows only at 1/2*Weight Reduction of quiver. I am unsure of the game mechanics behind this and how it is applied.
Note- If an item has an effect of clickable or proccable Haste (as in, its not "Worn" Haste on the item), then this counts as Spell Haste.
The absolute cap for the combination of Worn, Spell, and Bard Haste is 100% with one exception. This means, no matter how much Haste items, buffs, and songs one has on at once, 100% is the max. The exception, though, is important.
"v3" Haste is the one exception. Currently, only some (not all) Bard songs and the Overlord's Signet (I'm sure I murdered the name)'s clickable buff provide this sort of Haste. There may be a cap to this, but, if there is, its currently unknown. The practical cap is 30%, since these do not stack with eachother, and the highest source, from a Bard song, is 30%.
Therefore, maximum Haste is 130%.
-100% provided by a combination of Worn and Buff Hastes. (Many ways of doing this)
-30% from the Bard "overHaste", or "v3" Haste.
The formula for delay is: |{Weapons Delay} * [1/(1 + {Haste})]|
So, if you have 100% Haste with a 20 Delay weapon, its: |20*(1/[1+100*.01])| = 10 Delay.
Note delay is capped with a 9 minimum. Therefore, if you have a very low delay weapon, with very high Haste, you may be hitting the cap, in which case the DPS you would expect isn't coming out.
1 Delay = 1/10th of a second. So, 9 delay is 90% of a second. 0.9 seconds is the minimum time between attacks under ideal conditions.
Do note that Bows have an additional source of Haste. This Haste is determined by one half their Weight Reduction. A Tailored Quiver has 22% Weight Reduction; when a bow draws arrows from it, it adds 11% Haste. This is a major reason the Fleeting Quiver, with its 60% Weight Reduction, and, hence, a 30% Bow Haste, is so valuable. I do not know how Bow Haste is factored in. My best guess would be is that it adds to the Worn and Buff Haste, contributing to it up to the 100% Haste cap, but.. well, I'm simply not sure. If anyone knows, an update would be great.
In short:
Iff (Worn Haste + Buff Haste + Bardv2) < 100%, then:
Delay,Effective = Delay,Weapons / (1 + (WornH + BuffH + Bardv2 v3H))
Iff (Worn Haste + Buff Haste + Bardv2) > 100%, then:
Delay,Effective = Delay,Weapons / (2 + v3H)
In no case can Delay be less than 9, so, if {Delay,Effective} computes to less than 9, it becomes 9.
Edited, Mon Jan 9 15:48:48 2006 by ReofblMobile
ReofblMobile wrote:
Haste comes in five types:
Worn: Haste generated as a "Worn" effect of equipment.
Spell: Haste generated by buffs from spells.
Bardv2: Bard songs which generate Haste.
Over or v3: Generated by some Bard songs and one in-game clickable dropped from OMM.
Worn: Haste generated as a "Worn" effect of equipment.
Spell: Haste generated by buffs from spells.
Bardv2: Bard songs which generate Haste.
Over or v3: Generated by some Bard songs and one in-game clickable dropped from OMM.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Max haste is 100% for Worn+Spell, But heard rumors that Bards songs can add another 10% to take you to 110% but I have never been able to confirm.
Max Worn haste is 41% (I belive) from any 1 item, You can also use tribute haste for this.
Any Spell haste of 59% or better will max you out.
Also there is a level restriction for worn haste equal to your level till 20 not sure if this effects Spell haste
Max Worn haste is 41% (I belive) from any 1 item, You can also use tribute haste for this.
Any Spell haste of 59% or better will max you out.
Also there is a level restriction for worn haste equal to your level till 20 not sure if this effects Spell haste
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Max Worn haste is 41% (I belive) from any 1 item, You can also use tribute haste for this.
not true
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Also there is a level restriction for worn haste equal to your level till 20 not sure if this effects Spell haste
again, not true
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Max Worn haste is 41% (I belive) from any 1 item, You can also use tribute haste for this.
This kills that theory.
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