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It's not that the foci are more common it's the fact that sony grouped all silk casters togatehr with the azure line of armor and put mostly necro based foci on them when they should should have done it like they did Anguish GoD and PoP you get a turn in for a class specific item.....

The problem with necros in raid situations is that the utility spells are by now way obsolete. Twitching is ridiculously inefficient and the amount given in a single cast is rather worthless - it's only useful if it's being chain-cast, which cuts into DoT stacking. You're giving up a large amount of DPS for minimal healing (because, face it, we're not going to twitch anyone except clerics chain-healing). Our slowing is irrelevant because there is a marked lack of undead mobs in the upper tiers - same thing applies to our mezzing and lulling, which is undead only over 55. Emergency rezzing and corpse summoning from a bad location are moderately useful but expensive in reagents. Snares are short in duration and the damage component breaks mezzing. Group buffs? DMF. Big deal. Buff slot increases means that necros can stack DoTs without being blocked, but resist issues can cripple their usefulness just like it can affect a Wizard's damage. Mindwrack is nice for mana, but it's still a bit lacking and requires a buff slot and a target with mana.

So, in all, in raid settings Necros can potentially do massive damage, provide a bit of mana, and have other limited utility. If we're nerfed in any capacity then we'd need our utility upped or else we'd be relegated to second-grade DPS which is supposed to be our specialty.

Got it. STILL not the same thing. Got Thurg Gate potion, too. STILL not the same thing.

Let me spell it out for you guys. Gate takes you to your BIND. All these other things take you someplace else. Origin takes me to Surefall Glade, for example. Pretty much a waste of AA. Gate is versitle. These others are not.



Oh...you mean like my original reply? Except I play four classes, and called for a nerf of all the rest? Maybe there was a madness to my method?

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There isn't a place. If there was it would be kept secret and this player wouldn't know about it. If he did he'd be taking a group or even duo-ing the spot to get that kind of experience. If SOE found out about it they'd probably nerf it. If this is the case it could also be an exploit which makes it moot because you can't count exploits as uber xp.

Basically he's talking out of his ***. He's blowing it way out of proportion to justify his reasoning. He just has a hatred for necros cuz he thinks wizards should be better dps.

NEcros might be overpowered, but who is the ones who get invited to groups first?

1 - Cleric

2 3- Slower and Tank

4 5 6 random DPS classes.

Where are you getting bound at that you can't get to in a minute's time by hitting the book in GFay (Tolan's BP), Great Divide (Thurg potion), Overthere (Worker's Sledgemallet), PoK (Summoned mage necklace), Innothule/Ferrott/FoB/Everfrost (shaman potions), etc?

Hell, if you HAD to go to bind, there's even storebought and shaman made Gate potions. But there's also a host of reusable options to at least get within a zone or two of almost any melee bindable location. I don't understand why it's an issue with you.

Nerfing a class is wrong. It is the used car salesman bait-and-switch tactic (used quite well in expansion releases --monster mission "fixes" were all oversights? C'mon don't buy that line.)

I agree with the person who said upgrade a class if it is lagging behind. Many caster classes had old spell lines dropped (as in not upgraded past 60). Do necros really want a better twitch or improved twitch aa??? My chanter would love improved feedback (low level chanter damage shield).

Some classes just want some more group utility. The beastlord forums are full of wishes for group spells to upgrade many of the single versions, as well as something else to contribute to a raid. I'm sure every class could make a list of the top 5 things they need to be better and funner to play in the current game.

I agree. Alls any other class type has to do to get to WoS is get to a level that people may want to group with. Tanks need 60+ AAs, level 70, and gear and disciplines that are so hard to get, they would make a class that could actually build up the money to buy, cry. All tank classes have it HARDer then any other.
And the 60+ AAs is just the defensive batch you get from the first three pages of AAs. Don't forget, we also have to get the same AAs that DPS classes get, to keep up the agro.
By the way, warriors that out DPS bazaar geared rogues, monks and berserkers are probably EP+ and SHOULD out DPS them. One needs about 15-20 different raids just to get there(and will probably do quite a bit more).

Why are you Gating out of Time mid-instance and then running back in? Unless you mean you log in to find your guild in Time in which case I can't help but think that they must be able to get by while you spend a minute running in if they started the instance without you.
Not many melee bindable locations. I suppose running to Northern Karana gypsy camp is still a pain in the *** but I can't believe you bind there often nor need to gate there for special events.
Gate is hardly class defining. It's possessed by every caster and priest in the game. you get buffs, utility spells (SoW, Camo, etc) and some DD/DoTs. Seems plenty for "one quarter" druid.

Joph time has trials that are timed. Usually you take your raid force divide by 3 then have them clear a trial each, 2 of these forces have to gate out and come back, only acceptable form of avoiding expensive gate potions for the melees on this is to make sure they are in the force that has a wizard with translocate bind.

Most raidleaders will go balistic if you are so inconsiderate to the whole raid as to not be able to get out of the trail and back to next trial as fast as it can be done since the event is again timed.

Its the only time I can think of though (granted I aint raided everywhere) that you must have a gate potion. Really if you cant get in the wiz group or afford gate potions by the time you are raiding time then you probably shouldnt be there.

Gate potions are handy dont get me wrong but with my pally unless its like desperate or a must due his lil **** can use holy steed and OT hammer 999 out of 1000.

Erm.......For phase one just stick a wizard in each of the 3 sub raids.........

But I do agree I think any class that can cast a spell should be able to gate(honestly I think a PoK gate would be best fot this......not to bind but to PoK) but make it a longer casting time for non "gate" classes like 10 seconds




Edited, Sun Jan 8 01:58:48 2006 by elorianBLAH

hey i play a warrior if rangers are gonna get gate i want gate!...hey i play a warrior if rangers are gonna get gate i want gate!...

see the problem with your dumbass comments?

I have seen a wizard parse something stupid like 30k dps how? they nuked a level 1 mob.

Ive not seen many necro's parse close to 2k and ive raided as one for 5 years. Tell a lie i did it once when i lifeburned a moss snake...

from your parses you seem to come out as top dps an awful lot for a class thats ******** about it!

Unlike the OP i have played quite a few classes in my time albeit no other in high end raid guilds but I do have 64 warrior and 56 mage. As has been stated each class is DIFFERENT, the strengths and weaknesses vary and so you must vary how you want to play.

Did I struggle to solo as a mage? YES why? because I tried to play him like my necro.

Did I read all sorts about "warrior aggro is crap, they always lose taunt" yes, do I? NO I get compliments all the time about how well I hold aggro. My aa's 24 my aggro procs... 1 Blade of Carnage. If you play your class well and to its strengths you should not need to call for others to be "nerfed".
(PS to this I was once bugged for Brells for 20 mins in a group cos I held aggro so well the rogue thought i was a paladin!)

Did I read that you need level 70 and 600aa's to tank in WoS yes did i care? no i went and found its nowhere near as hard as other places Ive been.

The biggest problem being encountered in this thread is what im starting to call the "monster mission syndrome" players get level 70 in monster missions, have never played outside of them then try and join real groups. This lack of class knowledge is threatening to flood the player base with complete knobcheeses that when invited to a group heading into GoD say "where GoD? is that a new zone?"


Mallakith Souldefiler 70 necro
Soddof Baldric 64 Warrior