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How do DOTs stackFollow

#1 Nov 17 2005 at 10:54 AM Rating: Decent
I am starting to do some raiding with my Beast and need to know how DOTs stack. For example if I cast my best poison based DOT and a Shammy cast a higher level poison DOT will his override mine. I guess I am wondering if there is any need for me to DOT if there is a Shammy or Druid in the group?

Should we agree on what DOTs to cast or should i just go melee?
#2 Nov 17 2005 at 11:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Good question.

I guess the best answer is you learn from experience. Not sure how much overlap there is with BST/Shammy. If you see your DoT wearing off too quickly and you do not suspect it was mob dispell, it was probably overwritten. If you the the message 'Your spell did not take hold' It is probably being blocked.

When this sort of thing happens you can inquire as to what everyone is casting to sort out what is occuring.

Some higher buffs overwrite others and some stack. I can only say for the ones I have had experience with, such as druid DoTss. Most of the Magic DoTs stack but my Fire DoTs seem to be heirarchical meaning the best one wins out. My cleric undead DoTs all stack (magic based).
#3 Nov 17 2005 at 11:42 AM Rating: Decent
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iirc:

dots from different player will always stack.

your own Dots though will not always stack, only if you vary them (e.g. a poison based and a disease based stack, but two poison based will not stack).
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#4 Nov 17 2005 at 11:43 AM Rating: Good
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I could be wrong, but I don't think this is an issue any more. I seem to remember that they changed it over a year ago that all dots pretty much stack. So if you're grouped with the same class they can cast the same dots as you and both will land and take affect.
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#5 Nov 17 2005 at 12:14 PM Rating: Decent
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A perfect example of this is the Fairy MM. Everyone is casting the same DoT and they all seem to work.
#6 Nov 17 2005 at 12:48 PM Rating: Decent
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The only remaining stacking issues (and in a guild with a Shaman, Beast Kitten and 6 Necros.. DoT stacking is my bread and butter) I know about are:

Debuff Lines. Things like Heart Flutter/CoC/Grip of Mori do not stack.

Snare Lines. Two people can stack the same snare dot, but if you can a different one it will replace mine. And I overwrite a Druid snare.. and block it.

Shaman and BST do not have a snaring DoT, do they have DoTs with a debuff compenent? I honestly do not know.

But in general, yes, they changed years ago so most all DoTs stack from every player.

EDIT: Hey, we cast different level posion DoTs all the time and they stack just fine. Specifically which DoT is overwritting which other DoT in the OPs statement?

Edited, Thu Nov 17 12:59:57 2005 by Felicite
#7 Nov 17 2005 at 12:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Dots will stack. However the crippling effects of dots will not.
#8 Nov 17 2005 at 1:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Your BST DoTs will stack with other classes DoTs. You can also, if you want, load up your different lvl DoTs and stack those; if your looking at a group DoTing down your MoBs.

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do they have DoTs with a debuff compenent?

Not sure about post 65, but no DoTs up to 65 debuff (edit: for BSTs)...

Edited, Thu Nov 17 13:28:41 2005 by Chakrill
#9 Nov 17 2005 at 2:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Bard DoTs will not stack with other bards DoTs. This is because of the built in debuff. This may apply to others classes DoTs that have built in debuffs as well.

#10 Nov 17 2005 at 3:04 PM Rating: Decent
Kajolus wrote:
iirc:

dots from different player will always stack.

your own Dots though will not always stack, only if you vary them (e.g. a poison based and a disease based stack, but two poison based will not stack).



Actually, my 66 BST stacks 2 poison-based spells, Scorpion Venom and Chimera Blood all the time. I even throw in Plague, (disease-based). Now when I duo with a Beasty friend, I do the Dotting and he does the nuking and slowing. Good times.

Edited, Thu Nov 17 15:23:13 2005 by Tallymorm
#11 Nov 17 2005 at 4:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Tallymorm wrote:
Actually, my 66 BST stacks 2 poison-based spells, Scorpion Venom and Chimera Blood all the time. I even throw in Plague, (disease-based). Now when I duo with a Beasty friend, I do the Dotting and he does the nuking and slowing. Good times.


thank you for correcting me. :) well, actually, both of my statements are not 100% correct it seems, when we take debuffs i.e.

there was something with some of your own dots not stacking though. but maybe this also relates to the debuff component issue mentioned above?

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#12 Nov 17 2005 at 4:49 PM Rating: Decent
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For the most part DoTs come in 2 magic types, Evo and Conj. Evo DoTs contain debuffs of some type and Conj DoTs are strictly damage spells.

Not 100% on this but it's what I go by and don't ever remeber having a problem.

All Conj DoTs stack because they are just damage spells.

Evo DoTs will not stack if they contain the same type of debuff or are of the same spell line as another Evo DoT that is being used. As far as Evo DoTs are concerned the higher DoT will either overwrite or block lower lvl ones.

This rule does not apply to necro snare/DoTs. IIRC these spells are actually classified as a snare and not a DoT so special rules apply.

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Snare Lines. Two people can stack the same snare dot, but if you can a different one it will replace mine. And I overwrite a Druid snare.. and block it.


Necros and SKs really need to keep this in mind while grouped with a Dru/Rng. Most Druids or Rangers will not continue to snare if it keeps getting blocked by these spells as Dru/Rng snares generate HUGE amounts of agro.
#13 Nov 18 2005 at 12:03 AM Rating: Decent
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As has been mentioned, most DoTs will stack except those that have a non-dmg component, ie the debuff or snares. Other than that, the only other limitation is the number of buff slots. What is it now, 30 spell effects or so? If you have several BST, SHM, DRU and NEC in a raid all loading up their DoTs, you can risk running out of effect slots for necessary slows, debuffs, etc.
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#14 Nov 18 2005 at 8:12 AM Rating: Good
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2 dru's casting from the fire/debuff line will not stack...the lower level will be overwritten or if the same level of spell, the most recently cast will overwrite.

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