Try to show a little RespectFollow

Since I left zek once I get into a camp I could care less who enters a zone. I enter a zone do a CC? and a /who to see if its worth gettting a camp spot. Once I have it established who cares, If you ask and show a little consideration you are more then welcome to the area for a quest, trial, whatever. You come in with attitude we are taking over just because we can I get pissed.

What I like is the assumption that this TRIAL is a common one or something, I have done the trials before and I have seen others do them but I have also spent weeks in HoH when I was like 60ish level soloing and it would be like 2-3 people at all in zone.... sure it exists and sure the trial goes where they were but to expect them to blow off a good solo/group exp spot cause every blue moon someone decides to try one of the HoH trials...

It sounds like the OP and party moved and was just lookin for courtesy. They should have gotten it.

The way you make it sound is no group in WoS should ever hunt by like the wagon cause there is a chance that someone will come kill Velkitorn. Its easy you move out the way and come back but you would be pissed if you were sittin by wagon and a raid ported in and engaged him.

Yes a raid of 20 should be able to not be put off by a group of 6, but no the raid of 20 should not just come in and say move. The truth is the 6 have rights too and if your nice to em and your raid wipes then their cleric will prolly come help rez if your not well that ***** called karma...

I guess the difference is the point of view as someone who has run a raid and people who haven't. Organizing and keeping everyone corraled together for even a 2 or 3 group raid is a logistical nightmare, expecting them to ALSO deal with the tells of people outside the raid is a "load of crap". They have enough going on trying to keep 20 people focused on the task at hand, I'd no way expect them to have to deal with a couple soloers who think that their sitting on part of a scripted event makes them special and expect to be dealth with as if they have some unique rights to not have to move from the area thats about to be spawned.

Haha, looks like this is not only reserved to a particular server. Checked the camps in HoH and there were 4 people in one. Turns out to be 2 people duo-boxing. No big deal, I left them be and went to another corner.

Did my usual kiting, killing, then regen up. Checked the zone and saw a raid force was in zone. Through all my battle spam and what not I couldn't tell if a /ooc was made. Sent a tell to a person on the raid, and they weren't heading my way but to the other camp. The one with the 2 people duo-boxing.

Next thing I hear is people ******* in /ooc Hey this is an established camp blah blah blah. Why are you being rude.

So of course curiosity peaked my attention, and I sent a tell back to the person I first spoke to, and asked what's up. People on the Wwwwaaaahhhhbulance didn't respond to tells, and threw a fit when a raid was standing in front of em.

What made me laugh so friggin hard is I just noticed on another thread that ol' boy who started this thread was doin the same thing. 2 people duo-boxing.

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Edited, Mon Aug 29 16:27:26 2005 by Xantithor

I have done over 100aa in HoH basements and ive also done every Trial at least five times.

In my view the Guild was rude but in the right and the poster is a whiner crybaby who is not stateing his real complaint that they came and took his camp but instead makeing a arguement about manners and rudeness because he knows if he states his real complaint people will not suport him.

If I had been in HoH basement when a raid showed up to do a trial they wouldnt have had to say anything to me I would have just casted invis and headed to another basement. For me the matter would come down to not being a *** to a raid of maybe 80+ people(yes open RydaDar raids get that big)when by simply moveing to another camp I could let both them and me acomplish what we were there for. The OP thinks that him being there first some how means he isnt being rude to raid when in fact he is.

The raid didnt come there to ruin your exp camp and you didnt go to camp to block raid from doing trial but in fact though random action ended up where one of two scenarios was going to happen.

In end you had to yeild to raid for simple reason of there having a right to do trial if it was up you were not willing are able to do trial so you had to yeild area to them for a short time while they did trial. This isnt any different then a named Giant in BoT being up while the group camping the area is not able are willing to kill named eventualy a group capable of kill comes and kills it. Is that group being rude are is group that is trying camp area without killing named being rude? In end most would say group that killed named didnt do anything wrong why should it be any different for a raid doing a trial?

Why do you expect Raids to be any different then other players? Rude people seem to be pervasive in all online games you didnt level up to level able to hunt in HoH without meeting allot of rude people in game. Why is a guild takeing content that they had every right to take being rude?

So in end they were right you were wrong and you both were rude but you were more so by fact that they were in the right and you came to a message board to cry about it.

Nope not a memeber of said guild are server I only play on Druzil Ro. Guild genraly get the rep they deserve so it appears from post in this thread that above guild are a bunch of asses.

My problem is I dont think OP has made a case that above guild did anything wrong.

His arguement rests on unstated EQ rule of Camps that says im camping the Trial rooms and I was here first so you must respect my camp and go away are atleast ask me if you can do trial.

There is second unstated rule in EQ as well that states eather kill the Mob are move aside. This rule states you dont own any any mobs in EQ that you cant kill and you have no right to block others from killing said Mob if there able to are at least they think there able and are willing to try. Second rule aplys to group solo and raids it is not a excuse for raids to whatever they want.

OP exp camp in trials room was blocking raid from atempting trial OP had no intention are ability to atempt trial. In this case its clear to me second rule trumps first. Im sure the raid saw it same way so they informed OP they were doing trial and that he should leave. While it would have been nice if they had been more considerate in there language I dont really see there actions were rude as much as non polite sense they were clearly in the right to take trial if it was up and OP wasnt going to atempt it.

I would ask Madtrucker which time were you there apparently our OP after "whining about it on boards", got much better treatment the next time said guild showed up.

So can you honestly say you were there for attempt one (rude) or attempt two (smoochy goodness)?

Edited, Wed Aug 31 14:35:14 2005 by flishtaco

I've been on both sides, doing a zonewide warning is more than enough to ask. Getting pissy because you don't like the wording of the warning is stupid.

As I've said, having been on the raid leader side of the argument, there is no WAY I would ever expect anything more. I'm sure someone will have a couple examples of this one time a guildmate talked to a friend who saw this guy talking to a raid leader and was really nice and blew sunshine up his posterior, but most of the time unless you are in a uber raiding guild it's like trying to control a bunch of preschoolers hopped up on suger.

"Ok, everyone follow me down the... NO DON'T TOUCH THE GARGOY... DAMMIT I SAID LEAVE HIM... SOMEONE SAVE THE CLERIC HE'S BEING EATEN BY THE.... NONONONO DON'T OPEN THAT... AHHHHHHHHH"

Last one I tried a year or so ago was a friends guild who wanted me to help him lead a "family guild" raid in the Hole. Halfway through getting everyone over the waterfall (Which took 3 times longer than it should have... "No, just back up, don't jum... DAMMIT"), some putz decided it would be a good idea to play with his AOE's. While next to the Echo. Yeah, that was fun.

So we have a guild that enters HoH and shouts for everyone to clear out because they are going to do the trials without saying which and... there are still people that will defend this action. /boggle

Since they changed their tactics the next time it appears even THEY decided it was wrong.

Peeps without class stick together though.

Oh, and I apologize if I bumped this or anything. It was on the second page in my search engine typing in "discord".

Nor have you really read the discussion taking place after the first post.

Yes, in a vacuum, the ideal situation is to ask nicely. The reality is no matter how he words it, no matter how nice he tries to be, there will be people getting their panties in a knot because of whatever perceived injustice has been thrust upon them from being "rude" to "I was here first". A point brought up by the OP that I notice you chose to ignore. Yes, in addition to "they were rude" he ALSO complained about his camp being "established" i.e.: "I was here first" and that doesn't fly in a scripted event area no matter how loudly he wants to whine about it.

The best way to avoid any quibbling is just be up front and to the point: "We are going to do this trial, if you are not part of the raid you had better get out of the way". Acting like they are asking when they have zero requirement to do so may be less rude, but some people are grown up enough to not get worked up over someone just being frank with them.

Edited, Wed Sep 7 13:23:55 2005 by Toasticle

Imagine me stumbling on to this thread… I was in HoH the day this tragedy happened and I sat there and watched the /OOC drama unfold… First of the guild in question did announce they were triggering a trial. It did not affect me so I want on with my business. About 20 min later I start seeing all this whining about “you *** holes are stealing my camp”. Apparently from what I could tell on the /OOC and /SHOUT chatter this dork was boxing multiple toons and did not see the tells sent to him cus the raid leader sent the tells to two of his boxes and not his main…. I am not kidding he actually was complaining about that. I am sure this dude boxin has started this thread as an attempt to feel good about himself. From what I could tell the guild in question did plenty to notify the zone what was going on… at least I caught the warning.. prolly cuz I wasn’t boxin a bunch of twinks. No need to be a baby about it… move yer *** for 30min and grab a coke..

After reading all of this. /agree

The OP was not questioning a guilds right to do this trial. The piont that was being made was simple politeness. It's the difference between asking someone to "Please be quite I'm trying to (lets say read)" and "Shut up I'm trying to(read)." That's the only thing that the OP is asking for.




If someone responds to a raids polite warning with rudeness, then the guild can simply ask the rude person if he/she is planing on doing the trial at this time. If they are not then they have every right to just simply start. If they give a polite warning and verify that they are the only ones doing the trial, then they can simply ignore the rude people. They tried to be nice and say what is going on. This can be done in a few sentances.

The don't even need to ask per say. "/ooc Hey everone. We are going to be attempting the trials in a few minutes. Kindaly give us the 20-30 minutes of space to do so. It will take us a few minutes to prep up. Just thought I'd give you a heads up." One person could do that while the raid was buffing/organizing. I think that would be a resonable and polite warning. This also lets them see if anyone is already in there attepting the trials.

Ok I'd like to debate more of what was said here but I'd rather not go too far off topic of the OP.

btw I am glad to hear that the guild in question has become more polite.

/bow