Try to show a little RespectFollow

On Mealin last night in HoH SE Basement when a guild "Wraiths of Discord" came down told us we had better evac out, Yes told us they are going to be doing a trial. Showing no consideration or respect for a group having an established camp they are destroying. Not much we could doing without voliating the play nice policy but sit back and watch. A simple request would have worked wonders and we would have gladly given up the camp. As it stands it will be a cold day in hell before anyone in that guild will get a buff from me.

Edited, Tue Aug 23 23:54:02 2005 by Krackum

Agree. Was down there when those monkeys came down. When I saw them gathering in the PoT, I asked a few of them what zone they were doing so I could make plans to hit another zone but they would not say, just gave me some lip service about how I would know when they knew. Anyway, went along my merry way into HoH to kite, called CK and got the appropiate responses, set up my kite camp, and then had the Monkeys of Discord enter the zone and started shout for everyone to evac out w/o even announcing which trials they were going to be hitting. 2 thumbs down for guild/zone etiquette.

That was pretty rude, but at lease they did warn ya.

Steam roll over them next time.

Thats just rude and uncalled for.

You could not leave, and if they get you killed while you are in your camp that you where in prior, you could then report all of them.
Of course it would require actually getting killed.
Them warning you that they are going to train a triggered event on to you, does not mean they have the right to do it.

Edited, Wed Aug 24 09:52:05 2005 by fhrugby

First, I agree that they could have been more polite.

On the flip side...

Perhaps you shouldn't set up camp in areas that have potential scripts. More than likely you were using this room as a camp since it is empty. Well, it is empty until the script is run.

So what I'm getting is if multiple players in a guild want to do planar trials they are are SOL if someone wants to camp in one of the spawn areas?

It's not like they can make it spawn somewhere else or said campers can't go to one of a couple hundred other places to get exp. Why should they have to ask permission? Rude would be starting it and saying "Oh well" to anyone who got caught in it. Honestly it's part of the trial, nobody HAS to go around and make sure the area will be clear of soloers, at least they warned you. They have every right to do scripted events and shouldn't have to put a guild on hold because you like the room you've been squatting in that's part of the script.

Heck I've never done any planar trials but I wouldn't think twice of moving my butt should someone want to do one. If you think it's unfair, petition sony to make trials instanced or something.

Edit: Scratch that, I haven't done trials in EQ, but I have hunted in areas in DAoC looking for artifact scrolls/whatever and had guilds come through to do their master level "trials", no way in hell I would even think of expecting several dozen people to put their plans on hold because I want to solo kill stuff where they need to be, that's crazy.

Edited, Wed Aug 24 14:26:34 2005 by Toasticle

Go back and read the whole of the OP's post. They were clear they would have left the area without any problem if the incoming raid. It was the lack of tact from the incoming raid force that was the problem. Instead of droping the OP a tell and saying "Hey, we are going to knock out this trial. Could you possibly move out of the way for a bit", they just came and jumped in and said move it or lose it.

I was replying to the thread in general and the few TOC violation "solutions", but if you want to only talk about the OP, he refers to an "established camp" and that's ********* He's in an area that will be part of a scripted event, he has no "right" to it no matter how long he's been there. I'd bet money if you tried to petition them for griefing if you got killed the CSR would laugh at you.

Just what should they do? /ooc "Ok, we want to do a trial now please" and wait for everyone to get off their duff? How about all the people who have no idea what the trial entails who get squashed then start crying about how they got griefed? Nevermind all the people like the OP who get pissy about losing their camp and may start arguing with them, I don't blame the raid leader for not wanting to get into tell hell and just warning "Ok, doing trial, move it or lose it"

It's a PoP zone, there are trials there. Maybe he shouldn't "establish" a camp that will be affected by said trials?

as i said before, at least they warned you.

another good point was raised in this thread, if they had been a little more "polite" that poor person that did the warrning would of prob been flooded with tells from "less informed" players. by making it short and sweet, and even rude, it would turn aside all the tells on the explanations of what the trial entitles. when your doing a raid, then get some random tell from someone about the trial, it is anoying, your already explaining it to maybe a couple dozen other people, then next thing you know your crossing tells with someone that isn't even in the raid.

once again, at least they warned you, as harsh as that may sound.

alot of those people doing the trial, prob didn't want to be doing it all in the first place, i know after about the 10th time i did them for back flagging, i was sick as hell of them, and you might have got a curt /ooc from me "saying look out we doing the trials AGAIN move it or lose it!"

it is all on how you look at it.

however from the sound of it, this guild already has a bad rep.

Think the spirit of the original post has been lost; nothing was done that would warrant petitioning nor should it. Raids and guilds have their rights to content and so do groups and soloists, all that was asked for is a little courtesy to be shown to others in the zone. We realize that your guild is very very important and your raid is the only thing that matters; just be polite in a zone when moving to your targets and please announce them in a timely manner.

Good news. The previously offending guild, Wraiths of Discord, announced the raid when they entered the zone in a polite manner tonight. Thank you. Nuff said.

Just a random question on this, when does common sense come into play? If you see a rather large number of people gathering in a raid zone ask what they are hitting. Find out if you are going to be in the targeted area.

I've camped pretty much every camp there is in HoH, and if I see a large number of people zoning in. Its high time to find out, especially if you are camping an area that is for a trial.

Aside from the fact the HoH trials are maybe at most 20 minutes to do, 10-15 minutes clean-up of bodies, loot, and move on.

My suggestion is if you are going to be camping an area that is used for Planar Progression (trigger mobs, raid set-up, etc), have some common sense and check the zone to be sure no raid is coming.

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