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#27 Jul 31 2005 at 10:52 AM Rating: Decent
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To be honest, this is a difficult question to respond to. For me, the problem is that unlike most of the previous events of this nature (i.e., the "taking" of Firiona Vie), there is really only one level of loot --- the very highest-end items. Certainly those pieces are incredibly good. But shouldn't there be some drops that are somewhat lower in relative value and content? When level 70 mobs are dropping rusty weapons there's something not quite right. Of course, that's just my opinion.

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#28 Jul 31 2005 at 11:14 AM Rating: Default
Uber guilders got the loot ? of course they did. To be in an uber guild, you have to devote enourmous amounts of time to the game. This not only means your gear is better, but that you gain experience and skill at the game faster than most other people, and that is what really counts.

I was at the GFay war with 3 friends. We got our twinks equipped with drops and even sold a few to people who were auctioning to buy them.

We picked an out of the way spot, sent out a puller who brought us the captains with just 1-2 adds. Then we poured on the dps to ensure we got the kill, and when possible we made sure the looter was in the group and could loot right away. If not, we locked the corpse.

We all died multiple times, but virtually every death was from getting trained by someone running around like a headless chicken or deliberately training us. When we moved closer to Kelethin, this happened more often.

The majority of people I saw were hanging around Kelethin, and when they saw a loot dropper being fought by a bunch of people, they leaped in hammering away. You'll never get the kill like that.

To many of us, this is how EQ used to be. Zones like Mistmoore, Cazic Thule, Lower Guk, SolB - packed with groups pulling from overlapping areas. A named pops and everyone rushes to be the first to pull it. The principle is the same whether in an event or an xp group. Form a solid group, pick a safe spot to fight, send out a puller, and if something is already being killed, leave it alone and find something of your own.

#29 Jul 31 2005 at 12:03 PM Rating: Decent
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EQ at it's worst, unfortunately, Sony at it's best. There are people playing chars lower than 70? Give them something? Who cares about them....

Edited, Sun Jul 31 13:03:51 2005 by KEC
#30 Jul 31 2005 at 12:24 PM Rating: Decent
I think the loots were great, the war is awesome, and the events are very challenging to survive and win loots from. Part of that being beating out the KSers, and opposing mobs.
Now KS I think is a relative term in this event to a certain extent. It is a war...If the goal is to assist your team, (good or bad) to survive and replulse the invaders, you should be attacking all the baddies from the other side. If that means ya get some help from someone else, and they end up doing more damage then you do and get the loot, well...find another baddie and start over. As a ranger, I often am attacking a mob from a distance. If that mob is engaged by some of the NPC army and taking damage, and someone else spots my target, how can they tell I am already damaging it? /Shrug. If I dont get the kill, grit my teeth and move on, glad I didnt die at least.

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#31 Jul 31 2005 at 1:20 PM Rating: Default
grr! when will u ppl learn!
THE WAR IS NOT FOR LEVEL BELOW 65!!!
WHY WOULD 65+ NEED UBER ARMOR?! THEY CAN GET IT ELSEWHERE! I CANT BELIEVE THIS! I HAVE MMANY ALTS, AND THEY R ALL 20'S, THE LEVEL 40 CAN'T EVEN JOIN IN! WHY HY WHY HWY WHY?
#32 Jul 31 2005 at 1:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Why don't people realise that the louder you shout, the less people listen to you.
#33 Jul 31 2005 at 1:28 PM Rating: Default
i totally agree with bbot! i always level up slow. it's not liek i dont play often, i like to enjoy the game..and not just hug to hot spots. SOE expects all lowbies to go to tutorial till 10, then PC then EC then go join in with the high end game. WTF? i want to do things the way i did them b4 pok and b4 lucin. ENJOY the damn game! go to all the zones, like CB and BB..i mean BB used to be jam packed! i say, put hot spots on other zones for lowbies, and have events for lowbies!!

this war sux. i really want to join in, but i cant! i want to help save the froggies, but i cant! i cant even friggin watch!
#34 Jul 31 2005 at 1:32 PM Rating: Decent
Astucexxx sux big time. i love to explore. i can also say, that n-ro used to be fun to explore..now i cant do that coz there might be an army there. this really sux.
#35 Jul 31 2005 at 2:10 PM Rating: Decent
on my server the war appearently wasn't 65-70 like sony though it would b it was just 70 so i didn't see jack on any of my 66-69 characters cause no one would group up with me to kill anything.

so sony jipped me out of crap yet again...

(same thing happened last war so i'm not even going to try anymore)
#36 Jul 31 2005 at 2:34 PM Rating: Decent
Another event aimed purely at 65 to 70 levels. I voted "What War?"

I wish They'd come out with something to include everyone.
#37 Jul 31 2005 at 2:53 PM Rating: Decent
The whole war is disrupting. It seems to be for the high end players, as 69 and lower have no chance at the mobs. Our smaller guilds as well have no chance, unless the team up with an "uber" guild. And then it is the higher guild that gets first choise. The poor new players trying to play in the zones this war is going on is, well imagin thrilled new player can't wait to play steps out to begin his/her journy and wham - gets sneezed at bye a captin or what ever and poof. Of course i realize there is no exp loss or anythng like that, but i am sure is would be very discouraging, as this player would be basicly unable to even play.
So fine have a bloody war, but keep it in the zones that poor new players will not get caught in the crossfire.
#38 Jul 31 2005 at 3:03 PM Rating: Decent
I am torn. I like the event as an alternative way to get great gear for players who will never see high end GoD or Time. i also like the interactive events. On the other hand having been through the Freeport and Kelethin events, I stayed away. I am 62/40 and would stand a chance out there. The Freeprot and Kelethin RAIDS were mirrors in that they took an eternity to organize and no-one had the patience to wait that long so they all just tried kiting etc to see what they could do. In so doing they managed to get them selves killed and then all the clerics busy rezzing. It would be nice to see one of these events open to participation by 46+ at least
#39 Jul 31 2005 at 3:04 PM Rating: Good
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The whole war is disrupting. It seems to be for the high end players, as 69 and lower have no chance at the mobs. Our smaller guilds as well have no chance, unless the team up with an "uber" guild. And then it is the higher guild that gets first choise.

there have been times when me, with a full group of level 70 700 aa raid geared people have been completley unable to do anything in the war.

it's not uberguilds messing it up.

it's the people (guilded and not) constantly training sides.
#40 Jul 31 2005 at 3:13 PM Rating: Good
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now what do you want to bet the new expansion's going to be for the high level raiders as well, come on SOE give us something that those of us who play for fun can get


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Why the hell should new content be high-level only??? This is what SOE does all the time!

Well, maybe and hopefully DoD will be different...


Well, I can't say too much, but I play the Open Beta for DDH, as SOE is using the acronym. It's a much wider range of levels it seems for content, from 20-70. There is raid content AND low level content. Maybe even low level raid content. not everything is in, so we'l have to wait and see...
#41 Jul 31 2005 at 3:17 PM Rating: Decent
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I agree that the loot is WAY too high end, i mean make the loot elemental lvl, 200hp is fine, but dont make it anguish or tacvi lvl i mean wtf. Guilds work there asses off to get tacvi and anguish then you make events that drop that loot and lvl 50's are looting them. I have seen people not go in on some items lately because they want to get the items from the war because they are better then the items in tacvi and anguish or close.

My opiniong would have to be make the items that drop 150hp-200hp and make them drop a lot, make the event easier so people arnt dieing constantly, make mobs not run as fast so certain people can actually do this, make captians not agro from so far away and make them not see invis would help a lot also.

I think that these events are great, having new apps being able to go to these wars and get them 200hp armor without spending dkp in the guild and going negative for the first few months is great, these wars have helped gear up guildies fast and its fun.
I like this idea a lot. More modest gear for wider level ranges and events that not uber folks can be successful in.

Here is an idea, if they are groups of mobs in an army then they should be comparable to PCs. level 55 warrior has similar HPS AC to level 55 player characters. If they are above average than that non-named mob has some decent loot. Make the cons accurate to an individual. THen you can engage in a full front type thing instead of the sacrificial kiting chaos the these events have represented to date.

If I could isolate and solo a DB con I might actually succeed. If my group of 6 takes on a group of 4 DB cons we might actually succeed. If my RAID of 54 takes on the marching 36 ORCs we might succeed cause the cons are proportional.

Edited, Sun Jul 31 16:31:24 2005 by konarng
#42 Jul 31 2005 at 3:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Here's the way I would do it.

1. The encounters are triggered, by talking to the Captain to start the raid. this would remove the "Whaa it's never when I'm on" problem.

2. Raids are formed before the trigger, any person not in the raid that gets on the Hate list of any of the mobs are kicked to a point far from the encounter alla Naggy/Vox. Heals from outside the raid would be ineffective if the distance was far enough.

3. Range of difficulty and drops based on the level of the people in the raid alla DoN & LDoN. So that stupid high end drops are limited to those at lvl 70 with a raid force of 40+ while still allowing 1 group of lvl 20 to gain Decent gear for thier level (I.e 30 Hit points / +5 on a couple of stats, which is better than you get in Bazaar but not broken.)

4. Reward points to spend with captains on sucessful missions perhaps instead of loot might be another option, maybe only Augs that are slot 7 that are of a decent value.
#43 Jul 31 2005 at 4:01 PM Rating: Decent
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It's not EXACTLY 65-70, i have a 70 toon, but i started out scouting the battles with my 55 necro, It's easy to get loot if you are a necro or SK, FD near a battle(far away enough so you don't get hit by an AoE spell, but close enough so pet can attack), wait till captain gets to 8%, when their enrage is over, send pet in for the kill, boom, loot =)

Hope it helps a bit ^.^
#44 Jul 31 2005 at 4:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Ninja Looter (n) [NI'N-jah lut-ur]: A group member who removes the contents of a corpse/box/chest/barrel/etc. the moment it becomes available to do so, usually in hopes of retrieving a particularly valuable item without leaving an opportunity for his or her groupmates to discuss who the valuable item should go to. A typical Ninja Looter will not remain online long enough to be corrected in their behavior.
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#45 Jul 31 2005 at 4:49 PM Rating: Decent
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And on top of that the Devs feel they continually have to bork (oops, I meant re-vamp) old zones. Pity the lowbie gathering quest pieces in Greater Faydark when the War event Orcs and Elves are about. If they have to revamp, why not revamp all the broken code and bugs in the game before ******* with content?


Amen to that, Feye! I have no interest in the war. In fact, I have LESS than no interest in the war. Being the stubborn schmuck that I am, it attempting to make a few hundred plat to finish a goal I've had for around 2 years, I died SIXTEEN TIMES in the Rathe Mountains.

The first time went something like this:

Loading Mountains of Rathe, please wait...
A Shadowknight hits you for 640 points of damage!
A Shadowknight hits you for 640 points of damage!
You are no longer a wolf.
A Shadowknight hits you for 640 points of damage!
You have been slain by A Shadowknight.
Loading, please wait...

That's right. I zoned in and died instantly. I was hit twice BEFORE MY WOLF FORM WORE OFF, which is supposed to happen the moment you change zones. The next 15 times involved various amusing attempts for me to retrieve my body.

Now, I know that the Rathe Mountains isn't a lowbie zone. I'm not (or wasn't) a lowbie - unless 51 seems that distant to all of you 600 AA level 70s out there - and I understand the theme and intent behind a war, but it sure as hell ruined my day.
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#46 Jul 31 2005 at 4:52 PM Rating: Decent
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hmm yeah thats about the description of a ninja looter...happens all the time..right as you finish your tell "Ninja_Looter_01 is not online at this time."
#47 Jul 31 2005 at 5:28 PM Rating: Decent
if it was possible for small guilds and groups to have reasonable opportunity to get, then it be great
#48 Jul 31 2005 at 5:46 PM Rating: Good
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if it was possible for small guilds and groups to have reasonable opportunity to get, then it be great

uhh, yeah, most servers had this event monopolized by SOLOERS, and not always raid geared ones.
#49 Jul 31 2005 at 7:02 PM Rating: Decent
SOE really needs to get out more and talk WITH and listen TOO the PEOPLE WHO PLAY the game. Yes it's nice that they are giving the high end players something new to do, but as a previous post stated, it's bringing out the worst in people. Ninga looting, training on perpose, etc. I know that it's hard to forsee all this in the developement phase of a game, but with 6 years experience, they should have an idea of how things will play out once they release new content. My guild couldn't even get close to the war in Rathe Mtns because all the (insert bad word here) goin on there. It was truly ugly.
I'm not even going to bother with any other content of the war, why bother, it's swarmed by all the trash ninja looters etc. EQ is supposed to be fun... huh, imagin that.
#50 Jul 31 2005 at 7:46 PM Rating: Good
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SOE really needs to get out more and talk WITH and listen TOO the PEOPLE WHO PLAY the game. Yes it's nice that they are giving the high end players something new to do, but as a previous post stated, it's bringing out the worst in people. Ninga looting, training on perpose, etc. I know that it's hard to forsee all this in the developement phase of a game, but with 6 years experience, they should have an idea of how things will play out once they release new content. My guild couldn't even get close to the war in Rathe Mtns because all the (insert bad word here) goin on there. It was truly ugly.
I'm not even going to bother with any other content of the war, why bother, it's swarmed by all the trash ninja looters etc. EQ is supposed to be fun... huh, imagin that.

THIS WAS NOT HIGH END ONLY CONTENT.
THIS WAS NOT HIGH END ONLY CONTENT.
THIS WAS NOT HIGH END ONLY CONTENT.
THIS WAS NOT HIGH END ONLY CONTENT.
THIS WAS NOT HIGH END ONLY CONTENT.
THIS WAS NOT HIGH END ONLY CONTENT.
THIS WAS NOT HIGH END ONLY CONTENT.

it was an utterly ****** up event, for everyone, beccause of how much it promoted ninjalooting/training.
#51 Jul 31 2005 at 9:14 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm simply staying out of the war. I have no interest in dealing with all the trains, ninja looting, etc.

There is next to no skill or level requirements as only being able to solo effectively and not get hit is the only thing u need to do. Just train one side into the other.

Taking this into consideration, I would say the loot is too good but if you can deal with the training and other nastiness involved and you get something good then good for you. I have a friend who was able to loot high end gear which is a major upgrade and I'm happy for him but I won't deal with all the crap people are doing.

Edited, Sun Jul 31 22:24:06 2005 by TheGreatSieg
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