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#1 Jul 25 2005 at 7:56 PM Rating: Decent
Hi,
I am going to be buying a new video card, and I would like your opinions on what I should get. I have a Dell Dimension 2400, Windows Home SP2, 512 RAM (DDR2), 80 gig HD, and Pentium 4 processor (2.8Ghz) .....thanks you your advice!

EDIT= typo

Edited, Mon Jul 25 21:03:05 2005 by apricotpimp
#2 Jul 26 2005 at 1:14 AM Rating: Decent
can anybody please answer?
#3 Jul 27 2005 at 11:15 AM Rating: Decent
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DON't Buy ATI cards...

I would go NVIDIA easier to get drivers and pretty compaptible with most systems.
#4 Jul 27 2005 at 11:31 AM Rating: Good
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Sorry, you don't give enough information. Your question is too open ended.

What slot does your MB have? AGP? PCI-e?

Your monitor. Is it VGA or DVI?

What wattage is your power supply?

What's your budget?

Is this just for EQ, or for other games?

What's your objective?

Stuff like that.

I would agree, on principle, with the above poster. Stick with nVidia chipsets. Avoid the MX5??? family, tho. You want the 6??? family for much better performance.

Edited, Wed Jul 27 12:37:42 2005 by Fallonn
#5 Jul 27 2005 at 12:17 PM Rating: Good
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I will second the nVidia comment.

Over the years I've alternated between ATI, nVidia, Diamond (heh) etc. for video. For awhile I was using a Radeon 9600 card, it ran EQ great. Then my girlfriend installed and started playing EQ2....all of a sudden I had so many video problems I couldn't play EQ anymore. Seems some of the EQ code and the latest DirectX (9.0c?) combined wreaked havoc with the ATI card. Well, my GF had been using an nVidia GeForce 7800, I think, which is almost identical (or at least comparable) to the ATI...she got me another nVidia, I replaced the ATI and it's been fine since.
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#6 Jul 27 2005 at 2:02 PM Rating: Good
I looked up Dimension 2400, no AGP slot, no PCIx. Your options are extremely limited. Like the others said, get NVidia, but you aren't going to find much if at all that will work in your system and improve performance. You are better off bumping that memory to 1Gb or start over and get something that has PCIx or at least AGP. Good luck!

Edited, Wed Jul 27 15:11:13 2005 by Bewilde(bad link)

Edited, Wed Jul 27 15:11:58 2005 by Bewilde
#7 Jul 27 2005 at 2:21 PM Rating: Good
Oh, lol nevermind my suggestion. I rechecked, 512Mb is the max you can put in that system.
#8 Jul 27 2005 at 2:59 PM Rating: Decent
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I am sorry to say Dell Dimension PCs do not have an AGP slot my company uses them. Also you only have 2 memory slots so a memory upgrade means pulling an exsisting 256 meg Dimm. Best thing you can do is find a PCI Video card with 256meg on board, being obsolete you will have to be happy with what you can find still better then on board Video IMO.
#9 Jul 27 2005 at 3:47 PM Rating: Good
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Also, save some money and don't buy DDR2 memory, they are a waste of money at the moment. Go with 1GB of DDR memeory instead.
#10 Jul 27 2005 at 4:56 PM Rating: Good
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Ok, a few things here.

Assailant wrote:
Also, save some money and don't buy DDR2 memory, they are a waste of money at the moment. Go with 1GB of DDR memeory instead.


My understanding is that if the MOBO has DDR2 slots, you can't put DDR sticks in it without causing major problems. One post on the official Dell forums to support this can be found here. There's also a good comparison of DDR2 to DDR here. It also shows WHY DDR isn't compatible with a DDR2 MOBO (the notches are different and there is a different number of pins).

bewilde wrote:
I rechecked, 512Mb is the max you can put in that system.


The newer 2400's at least can go to 1g, so he would be ok getting there. You can expect to pay about 100 bucks for another 512 stick of DDR2. There's a problem though. DDR2 needs to work in pairs, like DDR. So you probably have 2 sticks of 256 right now. To get a gig, you'd have to get 2 sticks of 512... see the problem? That's about 200 bucks for an additional 512megs of RAM.

So, for memory, that's something you're kinda screwed on. BUT, back to your original question:

There's not really much available in 256meg for PCI cards. Doing a quick search I found some Radeon 9250's and an NVIDIA FX5200. The cheapest 9250 at Newegg is $58.50 and the NVIDIA is $89.00. Neither one of these cards are blazing fast, but their probably going to be the best you can do with no AGP or PCI-e. As for the Radeon vs. NVIDIA argument... I don't know. I've never had a problem with Radeons. One thing you have to keep in mind is that MOST game makers design their games to work better with one chipset then the other. They can't optimize their game for both without sacrificing something. It just so happens EQ is optimized for NVIDIA cards (you should've seen the mess that happened with the move to a requirement of DX9.0...). Some games are optimized for NVIDIA's, some for Radeons.

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I would go NVIDIA easier to get drivers and pretty compaptible with most systems.


The Radeon drivers are actually pretty easy. All of their Radeon cards use the same driver suite, so you go to the site, download and install. Simple. A site some of you with video problems (or stability problems in general) might want to check out is http://www.tweakguides.com/ That guy has some awesome articles on getting your system and GFX cards/drivers running smoothly. He also has some tweakguides for specific games.
#11 Jul 27 2005 at 5:48 PM Rating: Decent
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#12 Jul 27 2005 at 10:53 PM Rating: Good
If you want a pc you can upgrade, bite the bullet and build your own from the ground up. Dell pc's aren't meant to be upgradeable. They are built to make you buy a brand new pc if you want to upgrade it. How much money is Dell going to make if you go to Best Buy to get your upgrades?
#13 Jul 28 2005 at 1:25 AM Rating: Decent
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If you want a pc you can upgrade, bite the bullet and build your own from the ground up. Dell pc's aren't meant to be upgradeable


Umm...Yes they sincerely are. I bought a brand new Dimension 5100, arrived yesterday. Firstly it is amazing specs, but thats beside the point.

Before I had my new one, I had the XPS 700tr and it ran for 5 years. I aint a computer whizz but I was able to up its specs to 256RAM, add a new graphics card, 52x Philips CDRW Drive, new 5.1 sound card and I was ready to put a 200GB hard drive in it! But thats until it was my birthday and I got my new one.

Dell computers are cheap, reliable and very upgradeable!
#14 Jul 28 2005 at 9:29 AM Rating: Good
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Iwotton wrote:
Dell computers are cheap, reliable and very upgradeable!


Sorta... I too have a Dell (8400). While I would've loved to build my own, I really didn't have the time to do it, so when I found this PC at a really good price, I just hopped on it. Dells are pretty good PCs, but just like most other large PC company's, they like to use "proprietary" stuff a lot, including their motherboards and cases. If you ever need to replace your motherboard, you're kinda screwed. Normal aftermarket MOBOs won't fit into a Dell case, regardless of the formfactor. To get a MOBO that fits, you have to buy it directly from Dell, and they will charge you up to twice as much as a comparable aftermarket board. So, as long as you never have a problem with it, you should be alright.

I had a problem recently where all 8 of my USB ports got fried through my cable modem. Dell said I would have to buy a new motherboard, but I refused to pay 180 bucks just to get some new USB ports. The fix I came up with? I bought a 35 dollar PCI USB card, plugged it into an empty PCI slot, and had all my USB devices hooked back up and working flawlessly in 5 minutes. One thing that disappointed me was that I always thought Dell didn't outsource their tech support, but after being on the phone with them with various techs and sales reps for hours, I'm fairly sure that "Stanley", "George" and "Sheila" weren't American, or at least English wasn't their first language...
#15 Jul 28 2005 at 10:40 AM Rating: Decent
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If you have the time Dell uses a Intel Motherboard or the used to you can find ATX motherboard that fit the Dell cases I have about 30 Dells at work and I have found some motherboards that fit.
#16 Jul 28 2005 at 11:52 AM Rating: Default
I have built three comp now and really think you get you moneys worth by useing the uberest stuff that was around like 12-15 months prior to the build example my current comp has a AMD Duron 2800 with a MOBO that was the cats meow 20 months ago the two items with cooling fan and pwr supply cost me under $300 add a $100 for a hard drive ,$80 for 2 sticks of 256 ddr and 79 for pci-e 256 viedo $40 for dvd/cdr drive and my free 15 yr floppy drive $14 case and poff a very stable comp (it never locks up)about &600 and really works better than most 3200 sys out there
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#17 Jul 28 2005 at 1:03 PM Rating: Decent
I think unfortunately in this case someone fully expected to be able to upgrade their PC and are just now finding out that they can't. This is a shame. That $299 seems like a deal, but unless you read carefully, you can miss the fact that you have painted yourself into a corner.
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