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No, cant see anything wrong. Hell, im a necro, I would roll on HP as well as AC aug!

It sounds like this guy has never played a caster or was trying to intimidate you into not rolling on the aug so he would have a better chance of getting it.

I would say everyone needs hp and that all classes should roll on that. The hate agro created when a caster hits a mob with a spell can cause a casters death. Any way to keep the casters alive long enough to get agro off them is ok in my book.

Wear your aug with pride. You earned it. And remember not to group with that guy again.

Speaking as a warrior, a HP aug is top list when it comes to augs. Rolling in a group however, an aug like that should be FFA. Just because someone pulls the NBG card out, does not mean they should get their way. Each group member can use an aug like that. If an aug drops that has HP and mana, well, I'm rolling on it too. Only aug I won't roll on is a mana-only one. If it will help me and I can use it, danged if I ain't rolling. You did the right thing and don't worry about one sore loser. If that aug dropped in your camp once it will drop again. Make a hotkey: /em hands %t his pacifier. (J/K)

I remember when everything was NBG. Now its just not the way things work. Of course, if theres a cleric in a group and a cleric item drops... He'll have first dibs at the item. And just because another member of the group has a cleric alt, doesn't mean he gets dibs. But if that cleric passes on the item, its fair game to /random 100. Thats the way I've experienced in my 5 years of playing.

Of course, all of this is nill if you are talking guild loot. Those rules are set by the raid leader. All of my comments are solely for pickup group experiences.

I would have to agree. If it is a class specific item, they should have first dibs (unless there are more than 1 of that class in the group). If its something that anyone can use (ie. a HP aug), anyone in the group should have equal rights to it.

Next time someone shouts out NBG in the group, get them to specify. NBG should only include class specific items. Anything that everyone can use should be rolled on.

My wiz would have rolled on the aug. Hp is needed by all else you don't exist eh.

Too bad the tank had to make things so miserable for you.

HP augs benefit everyone so everyone should roll on them.

I agree that everyone should have the option of rolling. But it really depends on the group's decision at the beginning. If they state, as soon as you join the group, that everything is NBG. You should make the decision right then and there if you want to stay in that group. You can try to convince them otherwise, but its usually in vain.

this is a joke I presume? Casters are the weakest classes and can probably benefit more from str augs than a tank like class who likely has str already maxed (with or without buffs).

Sure a caster can use a str aug.. specially in Uqua but I still there are others who would benefit a whole lot more then a wizard from a STR aug. And why waste a aug slot with a STR aug when there are alot more meaningfull augs for a wizard out there?

Yeah I would consider a wizard rolling on a STR aug pretty stupid.. Sure if noone else wants it you can roll and use it until you get a better aug.. :)

Edited, Mon Jul 11 11:16:24 2005 by BumbiRagnar

So true Aug slots are too valuable to waste on str(which is probably the least important stat for a wiz other than wis chr and agi) and even in Uqua it's only useful until you get an orb =p

back to the main topic you shouldn't feel bad about rolling AT ALL I got most of my anguish augs before most of the tanks HP is just as important for a caster as to a tank.........your mana means nothing when you are dead.

I cringe everytime I'm in a group and someone plays the NBG card. What's worse, is when the other four players are cool with NBG, so arguing about it is pointless; the option becomes to accept it or leave the group (and lose rep).

NBG has NO place in pick-up groups.

Next time you're in the bazaar, drooling over that uber attuneable item from WoS or MPG... how exactly did that item end up for sale? Even more curiously, is the item being sold by a class that can use it? Disregard mules for the moment. If an item is usable by a class that is selling it, what is the probability that he or she claimed NBG and never intended to use it other than for selling?

But that's just one example. Another example mentioned earlier in the thread is, if I'm better equiped than someone else, then NBG suggests that dropped loots will go to the ill-equipped first. What is the motivation for the better equipped character?

Another example is, how is 'need' determined such that it qualifies for NBG? A good interpretation, already offered, is "the item can be used and will be used." But, what about the instances when two or more players can and will use the item, but the upgrade varies with each player. The item is worth +10hp to one player, +10 INT, +5 SV ALL, +50HP to another player. Clearly there is a case for "greater need", but then the argument falls back on to the ill-equipped player always getting first loots.

Also consider, an item's value is determined by its alternative uses. While it may be an immediate upgrade for someone, to me the item represents fast and phat cash with which I'd use to acquire an upgrade for myself.

Finally, the reality of EQ is that there are plat sellers. Any opportunity someone has to obtain a sellable item, they will take, even if it means citing NBG. Resist this behavior; don't let these people control the loots.

The circumstances where NBG can be tolerated is when the item is NO DROP (aka NO TRADE) and in guild situations; it goes without saying, groups with friends would generally apply NBG.

i generally play by my own CAWU (Can And Will Use) rules; I'm not going to roll on something unless one of my active characters can use it. If no one has an interest, then yeah I'll roll for it then donate it to the guild bank (or my trader).

I almost got greifed when I rolled for and won a STA aug in LDoN. I'm a necro...HP are very important, probably moreso than the other INT casters.