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O.K. here its is in short term. Which is better Warrior or Pally tankage. I have a 46 troll warrior and my bro plays a frog pally and I have to deal with critisim all the time on pally being better. So im asking for input on what everone else thinks.
easy.
the character with better gear, the player with better skill is better.
the character with better gear, the player with better skill is better.
apples to oranges really
I prefer warriors. Better Tanking abilities, a bit less snap agro(though really it doesn't matter warriors can grab agro just fine and keep it amazingly well) and much much much better DPS.
It's all really preference in a group situation all three tank classes are equal. Raid wise warriors hands down...pallies act as trash tanks(or tanks for minor named that you don't need to burn def on).
It all comes down to which ppl in your group prefer(and like I said i prefer a warrior though I wont shun a SK or pally)
It's all really preference in a group situation all three tank classes are equal. Raid wise warriors hands down...pallies act as trash tanks(or tanks for minor named that you don't need to burn def on).
It all comes down to which ppl in your group prefer(and like I said i prefer a warrior though I wont shun a SK or pally)
Clearly bananas are better than apples and oranges.
think about it, it's the easiest fruit to eat.
Edited, Fri Jul 1 13:46:19 2005 by Assailant
think about it, it's the easiest fruit to eat.
Edited, Fri Jul 1 13:46:19 2005 by Assailant
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I prefer warriors. Better Tanking abilities, a bit less snap agro(though really it doesn't matter warriors can grab agro just fine and keep it amazingly well) and much much much better DPS.
It's all really preference in a group situation all three tank classes are equal. Raid wise warriors hands down...pallies act as trash tanks(or tanks for minor named that you don't need to burn def on).
It all comes down to which ppl in your group prefer(and like I said i prefer a warrior though I wont shun a SK or pally)
It's all really preference in a group situation all three tank classes are equal. Raid wise warriors hands down...pallies act as trash tanks(or tanks for minor named that you don't need to burn def on).
It all comes down to which ppl in your group prefer(and like I said i prefer a warrior though I wont shun a SK or pally)
all depends on gear and player skills.
yeah, raid boss tanking, warrior hands down. exp group, I perfer a skilled knight over a skilled warrior any day of the week. much much much better dps? I don't think so unless you are talking about top end. and even that, it's not much much much beter.
Edited, Fri Jul 1 13:49:54 2005 by Assailant
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think about it, it's the easiest fruit to eat.
dont have to peel a damn apple first ;)
YOu are right on the skill and gear(tanks are rather item dependent =/) but gear wise I was talking baz gear(high end warriors are darn good dps). They aren't bad baz gear wise dps either though there are some damn spiffy 1h weapons out there and I haven't really checked DoN vendor items but I'd be willing to bet that there are some nice weapons there as well.
Like i said it's all preference there is no best.
Just remind your bro that he's a friggin frog....m,aybe if he were a high elf or something he could talk smack...but smack talking privliges end when you choose a frog =p
FYI grapes are the best
Edited, Fri Jul 1 13:57:06 2005 by elorianBLAH
Like i said it's all preference there is no best.
Just remind your bro that he's a friggin frog....m,aybe if he were a high elf or something he could talk smack...but smack talking privliges end when you choose a frog =p
FYI grapes are the best
Edited, Fri Jul 1 13:57:06 2005 by elorianBLAH
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Just remind your bro that he's a friggin frog....m,aybe if he were a high elf or something he could talk smack...but smack talking privliges end when you choose a frog =p
RIBBIT RIBBIT FRIGINRIBBITTTT!!!! RIBBITHOLE !!!!
AND RIBBIT FLY'S ARE THE BEST RIBBIT!
Edited, Fri Jul 1 15:39:18 2005 by Trablin
[quote][/quote]Just remind your bro that he's a friggin frog....m,aybe if he were a high elf or something he could talk smack...but smack talking privliges end when you choose a frog =p
Zing +1
Zing +1
Froglok Paladin
Froglok Shaman
Froglok Cleric
Froglok Everything if I could!
Sure we're a little wet behind the ears, like to hop circles around people saying <Froak> and the like.
Still waiting on the froglok illusion for my rogue.
Kudos to your Brother Froglok! Why chose a high elf? OMG you people are FOOLS! (Yes, the Teir`Dal are my second favorite
) High elves are so wise, but it's like Bill Gates telling a welder how to lift sheet metal. Boo to you who use the high elves as Paladins (buncha cocroaches imo still) Too good to help your fellow wood elves. Too good to help save Mithaniel Marr from the clutches of Cazic. Thanks Barbarians for your support to the Frogloks! Wear your kilts with pride! Heck even a dwarf has a nicely groomed beard! A Gnome Paladin would be original if not just hilarious!
I have played warriors up into the mid-50's. DpS sucked as bad as my weapons. Aggro Sucks but all I had was a barnacle axe. But raiding? Warriors are AWESOME hands down. Wish I could have afforded the gear to make him better (yes he was a Froglok Warrior too) because Gear makes a huge difference in the raid tank. HUGE! Long lasting mobs don't give warriors the same aggro problem as in a XP group where mobs go crack snapple pop dead.
I have played a Paladin into the upper 50's. DpS Rocks! Aggro Rocks! But raiding? Paladins need support to be MT. I tried to take over for MT when the Warrior dropped. I didn't last more than a couple fights before everyone said let's just wait until the warrior gets his rezz and start over. I agreed because though we had comparable stats / equipment, I lacked the HP to keep the raid moving.
Before you kill me with retort; I am not talking about your GoD raids, or the level 70 raid equipped 100+ AA Paladin / Warriors. I DON'T know about that stuff, but I have heard people say they know warriors with 17000 HP and Paladins with 12000 HP. Might have been BS, but when I hear about some mobs quading the tank for 3000 a pop, it makes me think, umm, the warrior has a better chance there. I agree that a Warrior can out DpS a Paladin, they just don't hit hard enough for me to keep interest. I'd rather double+bash for 400-500 with my paladin then quad+kick for 200-250 twice on a warrior.
Anyway, if your brother says your aggro sucks as a warrior, I say that alot to warriors too. Fact; Paladins CANNOT maintain stuns and fight constantly. A warrior CAN maintain anger CA's and Proc's constantly. Taunt is iffy, but can place a warrior at the top of the hate list so long as the rest of the group stops panicking and allows the warrior to regain aggro.
If your brother says your DpS sucks, wait until you are both raid equipped, then tell him to talk trash. If he does? You're a Troll! Eat the little toad-brat! Challenge him to a duel w/ no casting. Pure DpS. See who wins.
I am certain paladins only talk trash because we get trashed on, most of it is true and we know it, and we don't like it! [:rofl:]
As for the Frogloks; people, the frogleg jokes are getting to be as funny as "a horse walks into a bar.. why the long face?" Get some new material before you become as unoriginal as a high elf. My advice comment on how Frogs can change sex depending on the lack of females in the populous, or how they have glands on their necks.. Can't help much with dating.. Lol
Froglok Shaman
Froglok Cleric
Froglok Everything if I could!
Sure we're a little wet behind the ears, like to hop circles around people saying <Froak> and the like.
Still waiting on the froglok illusion for my rogue.
Kudos to your Brother Froglok! Why chose a high elf? OMG you people are FOOLS! (Yes, the Teir`Dal are my second favorite
) High elves are so wise, but it's like Bill Gates telling a welder how to lift sheet metal. Boo to you who use the high elves as Paladins (buncha cocroaches imo still) Too good to help your fellow wood elves. Too good to help save Mithaniel Marr from the clutches of Cazic. Thanks Barbarians for your support to the Frogloks! Wear your kilts with pride! Heck even a dwarf has a nicely groomed beard! A Gnome Paladin would be original if not just hilarious! I have played warriors up into the mid-50's. DpS sucked as bad as my weapons. Aggro Sucks but all I had was a barnacle axe. But raiding? Warriors are AWESOME hands down. Wish I could have afforded the gear to make him better (yes he was a Froglok Warrior too) because Gear makes a huge difference in the raid tank. HUGE! Long lasting mobs don't give warriors the same aggro problem as in a XP group where mobs go crack snapple pop dead.
I have played a Paladin into the upper 50's. DpS Rocks! Aggro Rocks! But raiding? Paladins need support to be MT. I tried to take over for MT when the Warrior dropped. I didn't last more than a couple fights before everyone said let's just wait until the warrior gets his rezz and start over. I agreed because though we had comparable stats / equipment, I lacked the HP to keep the raid moving.
Before you kill me with retort; I am not talking about your GoD raids, or the level 70 raid equipped 100+ AA Paladin / Warriors. I DON'T know about that stuff, but I have heard people say they know warriors with 17000 HP and Paladins with 12000 HP. Might have been BS, but when I hear about some mobs quading the tank for 3000 a pop, it makes me think, umm, the warrior has a better chance there. I agree that a Warrior can out DpS a Paladin, they just don't hit hard enough for me to keep interest. I'd rather double+bash for 400-500 with my paladin then quad+kick for 200-250 twice on a warrior.
Anyway, if your brother says your aggro sucks as a warrior, I say that alot to warriors too. Fact; Paladins CANNOT maintain stuns and fight constantly. A warrior CAN maintain anger CA's and Proc's constantly. Taunt is iffy, but can place a warrior at the top of the hate list so long as the rest of the group stops panicking and allows the warrior to regain aggro.
If your brother says your DpS sucks, wait until you are both raid equipped, then tell him to talk trash. If he does? You're a Troll! Eat the little toad-brat! Challenge him to a duel w/ no casting. Pure DpS. See who wins.
I am certain paladins only talk trash because we get trashed on, most of it is true and we know it, and we don't like it! [:rofl:]
As for the Frogloks; people, the frogleg jokes are getting to be as funny as "a horse walks into a bar.. why the long face?" Get some new material before you become as unoriginal as a high elf. My advice comment on how Frogs can change sex depending on the lack of females in the populous, or how they have glands on their necks.. Can't help much with dating.. Lol
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Froglok Paladin
Froglok Shaman
Froglok Cleric
Froglok Everything if I could!
Sure we're a little wet behind the ears, like to hop circles around people saying <Froak> and the like.
Still waiting on the froglok illusion for my rogue.
Kudos to your Brother Froglok! Why chose a high elf? OMG you people are FOOLS! (Yes, the Teir`Dal are my second favorite ) High elves are so wise, but it's like Bill Gates telling a welder how to lift sheet metal. Boo to you who use the high elves as Paladins (buncha cocroaches imo still) Too good to help your fellow wood elves. Too good to help save Mithaniel Marr from the clutches of Cazic. Thanks Barbarians for your support to the Frogloks! Wear your kilts with pride! Heck even a dwarf has a nicely groomed beard! A Gnome Paladin would be original if not just hilarious!
I have played warriors up into the mid-50's. DpS sucked as bad as my weapons. Aggro Sucks but all I had was a barnacle axe. But raiding? Warriors are AWESOME hands down. Wish I could have afforded the gear to make him better (yes he was a Froglok Warrior too) because Gear makes a huge difference in the raid tank. HUGE! Long lasting mobs don't give warriors the same aggro problem as in a XP group where mobs go crack snapple pop dead.
I have played a Paladin into the upper 50's. DpS Rocks! Aggro Rocks! But raiding? Paladins need support to be MT. I tried to take over for MT when the Warrior dropped. I didn't last more than a couple fights before everyone said let's just wait until the warrior gets his rezz and start over. I agreed because though we had comparable stats / equipment, I lacked the HP to keep the raid moving.
Before you kill me with retort; I am not talking about your GoD raids, or the level 70 raid equipped 100+ AA Paladin / Warriors. I DON'T know about that stuff, but I have heard people say they know warriors with 17000 HP and Paladins with 12000 HP. Might have been BS, but when I hear about some mobs quading the tank for 3000 a pop, it makes me think, umm, the warrior has a better chance there. I agree that a Warrior can out DpS a Paladin, they just don't hit hard enough for me to keep interest. I'd rather double+bash for 400-500 with my paladin then quad+kick for 200-250 twice on a warrior.
Anyway, if your brother says your aggro sucks as a warrior, I say that alot to warriors too. Fact; Paladins CANNOT maintain stuns and fight constantly. A warrior CAN maintain anger CA's and Proc's constantly. Taunt is iffy, but can place a warrior at the top of the hate list so long as the rest of the group stops panicking and allows the warrior to regain aggro.
If your brother says your DpS sucks, wait until you are both raid equipped, then tell him to talk trash. If he does? You're a Troll! Eat the little toad-brat! Challenge him to a duel w/ no casting. Pure DpS. See who wins.
I am certain paladins only talk trash because we get trashed on, most of it is true and we know it, and we don't like it! [:rofl:]
As for the Frogloks; people, the frogleg jokes are getting to be as funny as "a horse walks into a bar.. why the long face?" Get some new material before you become as unoriginal as a high elf. My advice comment on how Frogs can change sex depending on the lack of females in the populous, or how they have glands on their necks.. Can't help much with dating.. Lol
Froglok Shaman
Froglok Cleric
Froglok Everything if I could!
Sure we're a little wet behind the ears, like to hop circles around people saying <Froak> and the like.
Still waiting on the froglok illusion for my rogue.
Kudos to your Brother Froglok! Why chose a high elf? OMG you people are FOOLS! (Yes, the Teir`Dal are my second favorite ) High elves are so wise, but it's like Bill Gates telling a welder how to lift sheet metal. Boo to you who use the high elves as Paladins (buncha cocroaches imo still) Too good to help your fellow wood elves. Too good to help save Mithaniel Marr from the clutches of Cazic. Thanks Barbarians for your support to the Frogloks! Wear your kilts with pride! Heck even a dwarf has a nicely groomed beard! A Gnome Paladin would be original if not just hilarious!
I have played warriors up into the mid-50's. DpS sucked as bad as my weapons. Aggro Sucks but all I had was a barnacle axe. But raiding? Warriors are AWESOME hands down. Wish I could have afforded the gear to make him better (yes he was a Froglok Warrior too) because Gear makes a huge difference in the raid tank. HUGE! Long lasting mobs don't give warriors the same aggro problem as in a XP group where mobs go crack snapple pop dead.
I have played a Paladin into the upper 50's. DpS Rocks! Aggro Rocks! But raiding? Paladins need support to be MT. I tried to take over for MT when the Warrior dropped. I didn't last more than a couple fights before everyone said let's just wait until the warrior gets his rezz and start over. I agreed because though we had comparable stats / equipment, I lacked the HP to keep the raid moving.
Before you kill me with retort; I am not talking about your GoD raids, or the level 70 raid equipped 100+ AA Paladin / Warriors. I DON'T know about that stuff, but I have heard people say they know warriors with 17000 HP and Paladins with 12000 HP. Might have been BS, but when I hear about some mobs quading the tank for 3000 a pop, it makes me think, umm, the warrior has a better chance there. I agree that a Warrior can out DpS a Paladin, they just don't hit hard enough for me to keep interest. I'd rather double+bash for 400-500 with my paladin then quad+kick for 200-250 twice on a warrior.
Anyway, if your brother says your aggro sucks as a warrior, I say that alot to warriors too. Fact; Paladins CANNOT maintain stuns and fight constantly. A warrior CAN maintain anger CA's and Proc's constantly. Taunt is iffy, but can place a warrior at the top of the hate list so long as the rest of the group stops panicking and allows the warrior to regain aggro.
If your brother says your DpS sucks, wait until you are both raid equipped, then tell him to talk trash. If he does? You're a Troll! Eat the little toad-brat! Challenge him to a duel w/ no casting. Pure DpS. See who wins.
I am certain paladins only talk trash because we get trashed on, most of it is true and we know it, and we don't like it! [:rofl:]
As for the Frogloks; people, the frogleg jokes are getting to be as funny as "a horse walks into a bar.. why the long face?" Get some new material before you become as unoriginal as a high elf. My advice comment on how Frogs can change sex depending on the lack of females in the populous, or how they have glands on their necks.. Can't help much with dating.. Lol
that's a lot of typing and internet bandwidth and allakhazam harddisk space just to defend the darn frogs
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I'd rather double+bash for 400-500 with my paladin then quad+kick for 200-250 twice on a warrior.
so just use a 2h on your warrior...
One of my friends just came back from an EQ hiatus, and he just happens to have a high level warrior and pally. He asked me the same question in an ingame email. I gave him this big long response, then summed it all up at the end in two sentences:
Guess what... both classes can pull aggro off a bard just by looking at the mob practically. They both take hits better then me. They both out DPS me in pure melee. I could care less which class it is between me and the mob, as long as it can handle the job, and both classes typically can.
PS. Czae, when'd you get your name changed? Uhh, and why?
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I'd take either one to tank experience groups and our pallys still have jobs on raids. As long as they can take aggro from me on the pull, I could care less what class they are.
Guess what... both classes can pull aggro off a bard just by looking at the mob practically. They both take hits better then me. They both out DPS me in pure melee. I could care less which class it is between me and the mob, as long as it can handle the job, and both classes typically can.
PS. Czae, when'd you get your name changed? Uhh, and why?
Czae have you seen the Vish staff??? I warriors could parse 500 with GSoM just think what it could do with RoSW.....
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I'd rather double+bash for 400-500 with my paladin then quad+kick for 200-250 twice on a warrior.
so just use a 2h on your warrior...
THis is the debate that goes on forever and really only has a clear answer for tanking riad boss mobs, in whicih case you are usually going to go with warriors. Even then, it is gear dependant. Outside the raid environment, there are too many factors. Even with even gear and evenly skilled players, whicih class is stronger varies with level and content. There are a couple threads comparing warriors, pallies, AND SKs (who often get forgotten about) on these forums at SOE:
http://eqforums.station.sony.com/eq/board?b...adinbalance
http://eqforums.station.sony.com/eq/board/m...age.id=6420
http://eqforums.station.sony.com/eq/board/m...age.id=5905
IMHO, giving equal gear and skill, both tank outside raid named equally well. The warrior will have more difficulty with aggro, especially snap aggro, but the knight can't take as much punishment.
http://eqforums.station.sony.com/eq/board?b...adinbalance
http://eqforums.station.sony.com/eq/board/m...age.id=6420
http://eqforums.station.sony.com/eq/board/m...age.id=5905
IMHO, giving equal gear and skill, both tank outside raid named equally well. The warrior will have more difficulty with aggro, especially snap aggro, but the knight can't take as much punishment.
Speaking as a 42 warrior...
I don't think any pallys have ever been able to take aggro away from me. I typically use this combination right off the bat to take aggro: Provoke, Taunt, Kick. Then I hit taunt, then kick, and provoke whenever it comes up. This has never failed me thus far and when I want aggro, I generally get it. The only thing that often takes aggro away from me is Wizard nukes.
To keep aggro I use really low delay weapons that have a reasonably high damage ratio. Therefore, while overall I don't do as much damage as most other classes, I can always keep aggro. For me, aggro is the air I breathe, if I don't have it, I want it. I'm not concerned with DPS or spells or whatnot (although I do care if temp or haste wears off...).
So, really, as has been mentioned, its mostly gear. If both I and a pally use quick 1h weapons I'm not sure if I can keep aggro, but I know that the worst that has happened has been split aggro.
I don't think any pallys have ever been able to take aggro away from me. I typically use this combination right off the bat to take aggro: Provoke, Taunt, Kick. Then I hit taunt, then kick, and provoke whenever it comes up. This has never failed me thus far and when I want aggro, I generally get it. The only thing that often takes aggro away from me is Wizard nukes.
To keep aggro I use really low delay weapons that have a reasonably high damage ratio. Therefore, while overall I don't do as much damage as most other classes, I can always keep aggro. For me, aggro is the air I breathe, if I don't have it, I want it. I'm not concerned with DPS or spells or whatnot (although I do care if temp or haste wears off...).
So, really, as has been mentioned, its mostly gear. If both I and a pally use quick 1h weapons I'm not sure if I can keep aggro, but I know that the worst that has happened has been split aggro.
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Speaking as a 42 warrior...
I don't think any pallys have ever been able to take aggro away from me. I typically use this combination right off the bat to take aggro: Provoke, Taunt, Kick. Then I hit taunt, then kick, and provoke whenever it comes up. This has never failed me thus far and when I want aggro, I generally get it. The only thing that often takes aggro away from me is Wizard nukes.
To keep aggro I use really low delay weapons that have a reasonably high damage ratio. Therefore, while overall I don't do as much damage as most other classes, I can always keep aggro. For me, aggro is the air I breathe, if I don't have it, I want it. I'm not concerned with DPS or spells or whatnot (although I do care if temp or haste wears off...).
So, really, as has been mentioned, its mostly gear. If both I and a pally use quick 1h weapons I'm not sure if I can keep aggro, but I know that the worst that has happened has been split aggro.
I don't think any pallys have ever been able to take aggro away from me. I typically use this combination right off the bat to take aggro: Provoke, Taunt, Kick. Then I hit taunt, then kick, and provoke whenever it comes up. This has never failed me thus far and when I want aggro, I generally get it. The only thing that often takes aggro away from me is Wizard nukes.
To keep aggro I use really low delay weapons that have a reasonably high damage ratio. Therefore, while overall I don't do as much damage as most other classes, I can always keep aggro. For me, aggro is the air I breathe, if I don't have it, I want it. I'm not concerned with DPS or spells or whatnot (although I do care if temp or haste wears off...).
So, really, as has been mentioned, its mostly gear. If both I and a pally use quick 1h weapons I'm not sure if I can keep aggro, but I know that the worst that has happened has been split aggro.
Anyways, I think paladins stun and stuff to grab agro. I don't think they would go out of their way to take it from you. Sorry, I didn't read the rest.
On a side note, Stella, the new seriis on comedy central is very funny, despite the advertisements.
Edited, Sat Jul 2 00:56:46 2005 by SceltorEltor
Yeah, if the pally wanted to, he could probably yank it from you at 42. Its close at that level. A few more levels though, you will see things swing heavily in the paldins favor, then start to come back your way, but the pally will retain the edge in aggro. The pally, however, wont be able to take the hits you can.
At that level its really not all that close...
Up until the end all a Warrior does is Feed off other's agro.
As soon as paladins get cease they have the ability to actually build agro.
Taunt doesn't work how apparently 90% of ya'll think it does.
Up until the end all a Warrior does is Feed off other's agro.
As soon as paladins get cease they have the ability to actually build agro.
Taunt doesn't work how apparently 90% of ya'll think it does.
As a warrior, modestly geared 1379ac and 8500hp buffed, I have to say that I see pallys as better melee class. 1st and what bothers me the most are the insane 1hd weapons they get at " normal" 1 group locations.
If a warrior wants an " uber weapon" they need to just gather a group of 20-30 close friends and kill level bosses, not the minis..cause they are filled up with only Pal/shd weapons that are better then what the boss will drop for the warrior.
Armour is about equally hard to get for both as most dosnt have the --Warr only-- Pal only--etc tag on armour.
As a warrior I need a good bow and something to summon arrows so I can take argo off the puller, before it gets to camp, kinda hit and miss..the pally just needs two spell slots with a stun in each and he will get argo for sure ( unless the puller used snare to pull, then might have to hit the mob once or twice )
The kicker now are hit points say a 63 warrior and a 63 pally have 8000 and 6500 hit points respectively. now take into the fact that LoH will double the pallies hit points to 13K when used as the pally is down to 1% health, then add to the fact that after the LoH is used ( once every 24 eq hours ) that a pally can heal himself as well as a druid or shammie can.
I believe that warriors do migate dmg better at the same levels with the right aa useds, and when I get argo I only lose it here and there and can get it back by useing my taunt/bellow keys as they are meant to be used. ( not just mashing buttons ).
These are just things that as a Warrior, Ive noticed, I love playing him, would just love to have argo and Crit with a one hander for 488dmg every once in a while :).
A warriors job is holding argo and nothing more. But what about some swag.
Safe hunts and rare drops!
If a warrior wants an " uber weapon" they need to just gather a group of 20-30 close friends and kill level bosses, not the minis..cause they are filled up with only Pal/shd weapons that are better then what the boss will drop for the warrior.
Armour is about equally hard to get for both as most dosnt have the --Warr only-- Pal only--etc tag on armour.
As a warrior I need a good bow and something to summon arrows so I can take argo off the puller, before it gets to camp, kinda hit and miss..the pally just needs two spell slots with a stun in each and he will get argo for sure ( unless the puller used snare to pull, then might have to hit the mob once or twice )
The kicker now are hit points say a 63 warrior and a 63 pally have 8000 and 6500 hit points respectively. now take into the fact that LoH will double the pallies hit points to 13K when used as the pally is down to 1% health, then add to the fact that after the LoH is used ( once every 24 eq hours ) that a pally can heal himself as well as a druid or shammie can.
I believe that warriors do migate dmg better at the same levels with the right aa useds, and when I get argo I only lose it here and there and can get it back by useing my taunt/bellow keys as they are meant to be used. ( not just mashing buttons ).
These are just things that as a Warrior, Ive noticed, I love playing him, would just love to have argo and Crit with a one hander for 488dmg every once in a while :).
A warriors job is holding argo and nothing more. But what about some swag.
Safe hunts and rare drops!
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I have to say that I see pallys as better melee class.
As a level 70 paladin, I have to say "not even close". With the exception of undead encounters, warriors are the better melee class. They have higher DPS, more melee attacks and mitigate MUCH better.
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1st and what bothers me the most are the insane 1hd weapons they get at " normal" 1 group locations.
Yes, but we cannot dual wield like warriors can. As a result, warriors have higer DPS and can generate much higher melee/proc aggro.
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As a warrior I need a good bow and something to summon arrows so I can take argo off the puller, before it gets to camp, kinda hit and miss..the pally just needs two spell slots with a stun in each and he will get argo for sure ( unless the puller used snare to pull, then might have to hit the mob once or twice )
You also have hate discs, which can be used to pull aggro off. Mob needs to be close though.
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The kicker now are hit points say a 63 warrior and a 63 pally have 8000 and 6500 hit points respectively. now take into the fact that LoH will double the pallies hit points to 13K when used as the pally is down to 1% health, then add to the fact that after the LoH is used ( once every 24 eq hours ) that a pally can heal himself as well as a druid or shammie can.
Ummm, LoH is not a complete heal (Unless you have th AA ability that turns it into one. A large number of paladins don't have this AA at lvl 70, let alone 63.) At level 63 it will only heal around 3000 hp of damage or so. And then its gone for 90 RL minutes. Most paladins only use it as an emergency heal anyway, not a normal tactic.
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I play a Pally and I do okay. I have tanked all sorts of stuff and lived. I agree with the statement that it is hard to decide which is best for what outside of raid situations. As a Pally in Time and Ikkinz and RSS, I tank uptill the named, and of course warriors take over there. Raid named are almost always tanked by warriors, the real nasty ones anyway, as they do that better than Pallies. I have 12352hp max buffed and can take on most things well, but even then that isn't enough against the harder raid named. I stood against RZ in time after one of our warriors dropped and I got aggro as long as my 30 second mitigation disc lasted, and after that I was up for maybe six seconds or so before his massive damage just toppled me, even with solid heals >< Eh, what can you do?
As for a 42 warrior saying they never lose aggro, don't worry, you will later on. And if a Pally wants it, they will get it from you, although if you have the right gear, it is doubtful they will be able to keep it from you. I can steal aggro from my GL and he has DBoW with CS4 and Epic with CS4 and EB augs, and over 700AA. Even still, I can pull it from him if I try, but I cannot keep it, flat out, just aint happening.
The things to consider really is what else the class can do BESIDES tanking. All three can tank, but what can they do besides that? A pally can buff you, heal you, wave heal your group, and cure, and rez. An SK can FD, be a make shift puller, can maintian their own HP more effectivelly over time than even a Pally with heal, because their Lifetaps never stop, and they constantly keep their HP streaming upward. Warriors can do neither of these things but they are absolutley excellent in straight up tanking, they absolutley out tank everyone in raw strength and HP and their damage is decent, although I personally think an SK is about as good or even slightly better.
Also, tanking guys that are above my lvl 70 stun range, like the guys in RSS, sucks, and then a warrior and SK excell above me, although not insanely, but better. Mainly because our best tool now does nothing but hold aggro instead of making the mob DPS stop totally, drop to zero, while the aggro tools SKs use also keep healing them consecutivelly, and doing damage. Warriors can hold aggro about as good with weapons that arent crap and some good augs and AA. Despite, all of them are good, and go with what you can get usually; skill is a HUGE factor, not just stats, although sometimes stats are the cut off point--not enough HP, you simply cannot tank some places... sad but true. Oh well... Pallies sux!!1
-Varria
As for a 42 warrior saying they never lose aggro, don't worry, you will later on. And if a Pally wants it, they will get it from you, although if you have the right gear, it is doubtful they will be able to keep it from you. I can steal aggro from my GL and he has DBoW with CS4 and Epic with CS4 and EB augs, and over 700AA. Even still, I can pull it from him if I try, but I cannot keep it, flat out, just aint happening.
The things to consider really is what else the class can do BESIDES tanking. All three can tank, but what can they do besides that? A pally can buff you, heal you, wave heal your group, and cure, and rez. An SK can FD, be a make shift puller, can maintian their own HP more effectivelly over time than even a Pally with heal, because their Lifetaps never stop, and they constantly keep their HP streaming upward. Warriors can do neither of these things but they are absolutley excellent in straight up tanking, they absolutley out tank everyone in raw strength and HP and their damage is decent, although I personally think an SK is about as good or even slightly better.
Also, tanking guys that are above my lvl 70 stun range, like the guys in RSS, sucks, and then a warrior and SK excell above me, although not insanely, but better. Mainly because our best tool now does nothing but hold aggro instead of making the mob DPS stop totally, drop to zero, while the aggro tools SKs use also keep healing them consecutivelly, and doing damage. Warriors can hold aggro about as good with weapons that arent crap and some good augs and AA. Despite, all of them are good, and go with what you can get usually; skill is a HUGE factor, not just stats, although sometimes stats are the cut off point--not enough HP, you simply cannot tank some places... sad but true. Oh well... Pallies sux!!1
-Varria
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well pally can solo because they have heals & can have 12k+ hps at level 65+
warriors can have alot of hps but CANT solo
i have a level 65 paly friend that solos in POI( plane of innovation) & he can solo just fine he was nice enghouff to Pl me while i was at a birthda party next door for 2 hrs
well not exackly 2 hrs but atleas 1.5 hrs
his name is( BELOW)
IHEALNOTHING
Edited, Sat Jul 2 23:56:54 2005 by evergeek
warriors can have alot of hps but CANT solo
i have a level 65 paly friend that solos in POI( plane of innovation) & he can solo just fine he was nice enghouff to Pl me while i was at a birthda party next door for 2 hrs
well not exackly 2 hrs but atleas 1.5 hrs
his name is( BELOW)
IHEALNOTHING
Edited, Sat Jul 2 23:56:54 2005 by evergeek
Quote:
well pally can solo because they have heals & can have 12k+ hps at level 65+
warriors can have alot of hps but CANT solo
i have a level 65 paly friend that solos in POI( plane of innovation) & he can solo just fine he was nice enghouff to Pl me while i was at a birthda party next door for 2 hrs
well not exackly 2 hrs but atleas 1.5 hrs
his name is( BELOW)
IHEALNOTHING
warriors can have alot of hps but CANT solo
i have a level 65 paly friend that solos in POI( plane of innovation) & he can solo just fine he was nice enghouff to Pl me while i was at a birthda party next door for 2 hrs
well not exackly 2 hrs but atleas 1.5 hrs
his name is( BELOW)
IHEALNOTHING
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