School is out - kids are left to do as they wish while parents are at work. So think about this. If you want your "toon" to keep the reputation that you have created, it would be wise to lock it up while you're not at home.
As a cleric I assume you understand the meaning of "LOM" in a group situation. If the main healer doesn't have the mana to continue on - normally a med break is given - all pulls stopped.
What I was countered with yesterday was a group of youngsters telling me how to do my job - and they continued to play - disregarding the lack of mana.
This isn't the first time.
Also...there is a complete lack of courtesy and respect for others that is taking place. I do not tolerate it - and am no one's slave or peon. I have worked hard to get my level. I know what I am doing and my first priority to my group is to keep them alive. Having bad things shouted about me in public doesn't make me sound like an awful cleric - but it does reflect the rest of the groups' behavior.
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/agree pfunkman
While I never pull when the healer says LOM, I do have one caevet that I wish healers would stop doing. This is after I ask "How's mana?" and the reply is 40%, 50%, 60% whatever%.
What does this mean to me? Pull? Wait til you hit 70%? 80%? 100%?
Please, please please healers, just say GTG, Pull Slacker Ranger! Or anything else! Just not 66% mana!
/rant off
Sorry, but I feel better now.
While I never pull when the healer says LOM, I do have one caevet that I wish healers would stop doing. This is after I ask "How's mana?" and the reply is 40%, 50%, 60% whatever%.
What does this mean to me? Pull? Wait til you hit 70%? 80%? 100%?
Please, please please healers, just say GTG, Pull Slacker Ranger! Or anything else! Just not 66% mana!
/rant off
Sorry, but I feel better now.
Pdar wrote:
If you want your "toon" to keep the reputation that you have created, it would be wise to lock it up while you're not at home.
Or just not let your kids know your accounts password. If they share an account with you... time to change the XP passwords
. pfunkman wrote:
Unfortunately that comes with the territory when playing a cleric.
Or any class for that matter. You'd be surprised at how many times I'll be pulling with my bard, I'll be the only CC, slower and snarer, and people are telling me to "pull faster". If I chain pull, that mob isn't going to be snared. If I'm not very careful about bringing singles, you're going to have multiple mobs coming in, at least one of them hot while the other MAY be slowed. It's all about people not wanting to take the time to learn about other classes. It's an epidemic for sure, but sometimes you have to take the time to educate your groupmates about YOUR class. If no one ever does that, and they never take the time to make alts of other classes, they'll never know.
RangerRath wrote:
What does this mean to me? Pull? Wait til you hit 70%? 80%? 100%?
Ahhh, yes. Very good point here. Just a "gtg" or "good for 1 or 2" will suffice. If you just tell me "50m" then I would assume you're good for a few, but since I don't know your manapool/FT situation, it's important that you let me know, at least the first few times. Once you tell me "50m, good for 2 or 3", then I know the next time you say "40m" that you're probably good for 2. Make sense? It's a "group" for good reasons. Unfortunately, some people just don't understand what those reasons are...
If people are bad mouthing you...leave group.
If people are telling you how to play...leave group.
If people are bad mouthing you AND telling you how to play...let them die then leave group.
I think it is ok to ask the cleric questions (are you going to be CHealing?) or offer suggestions (Don't heal me, I will life-tap), but I think the cleric should be allowed to play his game. If you do not like how the cleric is doing his job...leave group?
Bad mouthing should never be tolerated in any case.
If people are telling you how to play...leave group.
If people are bad mouthing you AND telling you how to play...let them die then leave group.
I think it is ok to ask the cleric questions (are you going to be CHealing?) or offer suggestions (Don't heal me, I will life-tap), but I think the cleric should be allowed to play his game. If you do not like how the cleric is doing his job...leave group?
Bad mouthing should never be tolerated in any case.
As an SK, I am happy to have a cleric healing me when I am dying. Occasionally, I die. Mostly I live. Never will I tell a cleric how to be a cleric as I wouldn't know. I get a little antsy close to death but don't say anything just think it please "heal me a bit soon".
I also always check mana and watch for "stop pulling" and try hard to pull one but if it looks like more than one I let the group know, because that gives the casters a chance to say RUN and then get away.
My purpose as a tankable class is to take as many if not all the hits in the group, not question my healer or slower or buffer on doing their job if everything is going well. If not going well, adjust my playing style to help alleviate whatever is going wrong or discuss it openly, not disrespect someone I have no clue about.
So there will always be others that are unable/unwilling to be polite because they don't feel like it matters, it is just a game. However there is someone on the other end of every toon.
I also always check mana and watch for "stop pulling" and try hard to pull one but if it looks like more than one I let the group know, because that gives the casters a chance to say RUN and then get away.
My purpose as a tankable class is to take as many if not all the hits in the group, not question my healer or slower or buffer on doing their job if everything is going well. If not going well, adjust my playing style to help alleviate whatever is going wrong or discuss it openly, not disrespect someone I have no clue about.
So there will always be others that are unable/unwilling to be polite because they don't feel like it matters, it is just a game. However there is someone on the other end of every toon.
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If people are telling you how to play...leave group.
it should be noted that not all people who tell you how to play are asses. sometimes, you just suck.
I had all but forgotten about the joys of doing a LDoN at lower levels, until I started doing them with celebrin last week. Perfect example of why I hate grouping with low-level people (witha few exceptions) happened past night.
I make a quick request that no one gets in front of me and the monk, and that they give me 5% to get aggro. Monk starts pulling, I'm up front ready to grab aggro or tag as needed. Before the mob even gets into the room the Mage is running in front of me, nuking, etc. Shadowknight immediately begins dotting and tapping, and then melees. After several of these I start getting really annoyed and mention that I cant keep aggro without some help, and it's a pain for the cleric to heal half the group instead of just me. At this point the mage pipes up and says something about "not being his fault the warrior cant keep aggro." I of course lost it at that comment and told him I was sick to death of people not understanding that it's the entire groups responsibility to help me keep aggro, and that he should learn how to group.
He gets mad, and tells me that he knows how to play and that his main is a warrior: level 70 (verified by another group member). *sigh*
Note that during all of this, the poor cleric cried "LOM" or "OOM" at least 6 times, but no one but me paid any attention. That we won is a testament to how absurdly easy the lower level LDoNs are to complete.
So, kids, you have lots of time on your hands now. Lets make it the summer you actually learn how to function in a group and stop
being such imbeciles. (note that by kids, I don't mean to discriminate by age; there are lots of 40 year old kids that play EQ)
I make a quick request that no one gets in front of me and the monk, and that they give me 5% to get aggro. Monk starts pulling, I'm up front ready to grab aggro or tag as needed. Before the mob even gets into the room the Mage is running in front of me, nuking, etc. Shadowknight immediately begins dotting and tapping, and then melees. After several of these I start getting really annoyed and mention that I cant keep aggro without some help, and it's a pain for the cleric to heal half the group instead of just me. At this point the mage pipes up and says something about "not being his fault the warrior cant keep aggro." I of course lost it at that comment and told him I was sick to death of people not understanding that it's the entire groups responsibility to help me keep aggro, and that he should learn how to group.
He gets mad, and tells me that he knows how to play and that his main is a warrior: level 70 (verified by another group member). *sigh*
Note that during all of this, the poor cleric cried "LOM" or "OOM" at least 6 times, but no one but me paid any attention. That we won is a testament to how absurdly easy the lower level LDoNs are to complete.
So, kids, you have lots of time on your hands now. Lets make it the summer you actually learn how to function in a group and stop
being such imbeciles. (note that by kids, I don't mean to discriminate by age; there are lots of 40 year old kids that play EQ)
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As a Cleric if you are LoM you let the group know. If they pull intentionally you correct the mistake by explaining that if they pull when you are lom it could be bad. If that does not work do not heal them until you have sufficient mana. One bad habit of healers is we want to see the group at 100% so then they have to wait. If after the fight group is low on health and cleric is lom, med first heal second. This has the added benefit of others contributing to the healing process with AA's, regen, small heals, etc. If they still pull when group is low on health and mana they deserve the death they have earned.
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as a 70 cleric, I realize other group members wonder how my mana is doing, don't worry, I will let YOU know when I start running into mana problems, if you keep pulling after that point, you die, simple as that.
Badhairdey again...
When I say LOM it is when I can't go any farther safely in a group especially where I am the only healer. The incident yesterday was typical of players that don't pay attention. After their lecture I remained seated. They moved on and began pulling. It was remarked that they thought I had gone afk since I didn't follow their "otm" and "battle". After I had mana enough to continue on I caught up to them.
At that time I over-heard one group member saying "WoW look how fast this zerker moves!" (I assume it wasn't his character...)
And another was pre-occupied in explaining why he didn't spell good as he was only 12 - (and had a lvl 50+ toon).
There was no mezzing - slowing - rooting. They were running in all directions pulling mobs. We were in an expo in DS. Murkgliders 3 at a time was the last I saw on me.
A later conversation with one of those people didn't go well. The person tried saying "it wasn't his fault cuz he wasn't pulling". I spoke to him about group and organizing - but he said I didn't know what I was talking about and even called me senile. I ended the talk by telling him to come back and play when he doesn't have a babysitter and is potty trained.
I'm a grandmother for heavens sake - I am not a child.
I follow the lead of how the group reports mana. If they give percentage - I do too. If they ask for single pulls as being ok I tell them if I can cover it.
I use to literally die trying to keep the groups alive as I would only be watching their stats. Now that the new type players are the norm - I'm not going to be the last one off the boat anymore. The new breed doesn't want to have rules to live by. They're just there for the loot.
Am just now lvl 56 and looking forward to one day being lvl 70 - and then I can look back and say "ahhh those were the days".
When I say LOM it is when I can't go any farther safely in a group especially where I am the only healer. The incident yesterday was typical of players that don't pay attention. After their lecture I remained seated. They moved on and began pulling. It was remarked that they thought I had gone afk since I didn't follow their "otm" and "battle". After I had mana enough to continue on I caught up to them.
At that time I over-heard one group member saying "WoW look how fast this zerker moves!" (I assume it wasn't his character...)
And another was pre-occupied in explaining why he didn't spell good as he was only 12 - (and had a lvl 50+ toon).
There was no mezzing - slowing - rooting. They were running in all directions pulling mobs. We were in an expo in DS. Murkgliders 3 at a time was the last I saw on me.
A later conversation with one of those people didn't go well. The person tried saying "it wasn't his fault cuz he wasn't pulling". I spoke to him about group and organizing - but he said I didn't know what I was talking about and even called me senile. I ended the talk by telling him to come back and play when he doesn't have a babysitter and is potty trained.
I'm a grandmother for heavens sake - I am not a child.
I follow the lead of how the group reports mana. If they give percentage - I do too. If they ask for single pulls as being ok I tell them if I can cover it.
I use to literally die trying to keep the groups alive as I would only be watching their stats. Now that the new type players are the norm - I'm not going to be the last one off the boat anymore. The new breed doesn't want to have rules to live by. They're just there for the loot.
Am just now lvl 56 and looking forward to one day being lvl 70 - and then I can look back and say "ahhh those were the days".
Guy might have a level 70 warrior [subliminal:*e-bay*], but the reason he thinks he is uber at keeping aggro is the people he groups with as a warrior KNOW how to play!
Next time tell him it is easy to hold aggro when you are solo heh...
Next time tell him it is easy to hold aggro when you are solo heh...
It's entirely possible that he has a 70 warrior and has simply forgotten how hard it was to keep aggro at 35, or whatever - no discs, no bellow, no AAs, no rage weapons. It's a different game.
I like to be clear about my mana calls. I'll just abbreviate it to "pull" or "hold pull" rather than give percentages or warnings.
I like to be clear about my mana calls. I'll just abbreviate it to "pull" or "hold pull" rather than give percentages or warnings.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
As a cleric I usually do not give updates unless asked. If mana is ok, every once in a while I will give the '80m' to re-assure puller he is ok to keep pulling, or I will say '40m g2g' if circumstances call mana situation into question.
I will give the LOM warning to indicate 'finish up with this pull'. If something unforseen happens in the meantime, everyone knows not to expect much healing until the situation is resolved and I can med. Good for back-up healers to know, obviously no more pulls, but also good for the rest of the group to know they may need to change tactics.
I will give the LOM warning to indicate 'finish up with this pull'. If something unforseen happens in the meantime, everyone knows not to expect much healing until the situation is resolved and I can med. Good for back-up healers to know, obviously no more pulls, but also good for the rest of the group to know they may need to change tactics.
This is exactly why backup healers are a good thing. If the cleric goes lom, then the druid or whatever can heal while the cleric meds.
Unfortunately, most groups want tank, slower, healer, and dps x3.
Unfortunately, most groups want tank, slower, healer, and dps x3.
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RangerRath wrote:
This is after I ask "How's mana?" and the reply is 40%, 50%, 60% whatever%.
Please, do not consider this a flame but you are not asking the right question. Your question asks "how's mana?" the responses are correct for that question, imho and in my experience (percentage of mana response).
My personal context for this question and reply is in a raid setting when my raid leader screams "MANA?". The responses define for the raid leader whether to continue immediately with max pulls (multiple mobs), singles or med break.
My idea of the question one might ask to get the desired response in this instance is "Everyone gtg?" or "All ready for pull?".
No offense and please don't consider this as such, its simply an observation from my clerical perspective and in defense of my brother and sister clerics who replied same in the foregoing.
Kcii <Pactum>
70 clr
Honus
70 pal
I do not consider it a flame.
You even said it yourself, whether group or raid, the question is often times "How's mana?" and sometimes "Gtg?".
Splitting hairs here.
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My personal context for this question and reply is in a raid setting when my raid leader screams "MANA?". The responses define for the raid leader whether to continue immediately with max pulls (multiple mobs), singles or med break.
You even said it yourself, whether group or raid, the question is often times "How's mana?" and sometimes "Gtg?".
Splitting hairs here.
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