I was thinking about starting up a new toon in the next week or two. Its narrowed down to either a shaman or necro. I've already decided to be an iksar for either one I choose. Can you guys offer any advice on which might be better suited for me.
I know that both have great mana regen abilities. Both get a pet eventually. Both have strong dots. What are the major differences? A shaman can heal and slow. The necro gets feign death and ghetto mez, ghetto heal.
Who is a better soloer at mid levels/high levels? Which do you guys think is more fun?
Is the shaman pet very useful? Who has to med less?
Feel free to throw in anything else you have to say about these classes. I've read about both on alla, necro-boards, and shaman-boards. I just want to see how they are from your perspective.
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Necro is a soloer with some group and a lot of raid capability. Shaman is a group character with some solo and some (but very necessary) raid capability.
Neither of the classes stack well in raids, although two necros in a group can work very well.
Overall I'd say necro unless there's something about the shaman that particularly appeals to you.
Neither of the classes stack well in raids, although two necros in a group can work very well.
Overall I'd say necro unless there's something about the shaman that particularly appeals to you.
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I would say Necro, though I have never played a Shaman. I do love my necro.
The fact that one of your main lines of damage spells is also you healing spells does it for me. I love the lifetap.
Even little stuff like I love how it says "You beam a smile at soandso" when you suck their life dry.. and it says that they "stagger".. muahahahahaha...
I love the way the necro looks..
I love using the Alure of Death spell line along with my 100 (currect cap for my level) Bind Wound skill to manage my mana and hit points.
I love having a pet.
I can take on a yellow con (solo) starting with under 50 percent hitpoints, if I have full mana, and I will have 80 pecent when the mob dies. What other class can do that?
Shamans may have similar stuff, I don't know. But after playing a Druid up to level 20, then taking a break from it to explore the other classes, I was awed with the sheer power of the necromancer class. I am a big soloer, so I am diggin' it.
My necro is now 22.
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The fact that one of your main lines of damage spells is also you healing spells does it for me. I love the lifetap.
Even little stuff like I love how it says "You beam a smile at soandso" when you suck their life dry.. and it says that they "stagger".. muahahahahaha...
I love the way the necro looks..
I love using the Alure of Death spell line along with my 100 (currect cap for my level) Bind Wound skill to manage my mana and hit points.
I love having a pet.
I can take on a yellow con (solo) starting with under 50 percent hitpoints, if I have full mana, and I will have 80 pecent when the mob dies. What other class can do that?
Shamans may have similar stuff, I don't know. But after playing a Druid up to level 20, then taking a break from it to explore the other classes, I was awed with the sheer power of the necromancer class. I am a big soloer, so I am diggin' it.
My necro is now 22.
J/A
I would definately have to agree with joujouka! I love my Ranger and he will always be my main! However, since I've started my Necro, I see a whole new way of leveling a toon. I don't solo often, but when I do, it's fairly easy for me. Groups love me and my spells! I love the pet, I send him to fight all the time, but when I'm medding I love the idea of being able to contribute while sittin on my ***** Sorry Robbinwood, you'll never out solo Headnohair!
Don't discount the shaman either. Of course, Troll is the best way to go, worship Innorok, whatever, so you can eventually get the clicky snare.
Shaman are great fun, what I like best about my shaman, is that you don't have to med. Starting in your 40's with canni 3, you can do more different things at a time than any other class. ie Your mana regen is better than any other class, and thus you can be doing more things.
For instance, I always duo with my ranger, my shaman is always slowing, healing, and depending on the content, may even have mana to throw in a DoT per mob as well. While the other time is spent canni'ing, and even taking some swings with his weapon. On top of all this you have a pet that does pretty decent DPS at my level.
I think it comes down to if you want to group or solo more. If you like grouping more, then go with the shaman. If you want to solo, I would go with the necro. Not to say that a shaman cannot solo, nor am I saying that a Necro is no good in groups.
I have played with 2 shaman in a group many times, and it is easy enough to split up all the things that shaman can do. One can heal, debuff, and DoT. While the other slows, DoT's and buffs. Between your DoT's and your pet, you can do quite decent DPS into your 60's.
One other thing, shaman are excellent in small groups, their verstility allow them to fill many roles, and allow a group of 2 or 3 to be very successful. Also, the shaman truely shines when the fight last longer. His DoT's, will go full time, you will get the most out of the slow, and it gives him time to canni. The hardest thing for a shaman is to fit in all of his spells, it is pretty rare to be not casting something.
Edited, Fri May 27 20:06:02 2005 by Reinman
Shaman are great fun, what I like best about my shaman, is that you don't have to med. Starting in your 40's with canni 3, you can do more different things at a time than any other class. ie Your mana regen is better than any other class, and thus you can be doing more things.
For instance, I always duo with my ranger, my shaman is always slowing, healing, and depending on the content, may even have mana to throw in a DoT per mob as well. While the other time is spent canni'ing, and even taking some swings with his weapon. On top of all this you have a pet that does pretty decent DPS at my level.
I think it comes down to if you want to group or solo more. If you like grouping more, then go with the shaman. If you want to solo, I would go with the necro. Not to say that a shaman cannot solo, nor am I saying that a Necro is no good in groups.
I have played with 2 shaman in a group many times, and it is easy enough to split up all the things that shaman can do. One can heal, debuff, and DoT. While the other slows, DoT's and buffs. Between your DoT's and your pet, you can do quite decent DPS into your 60's.
One other thing, shaman are excellent in small groups, their verstility allow them to fill many roles, and allow a group of 2 or 3 to be very successful. Also, the shaman truely shines when the fight last longer. His DoT's, will go full time, you will get the most out of the slow, and it gives him time to canni. The hardest thing for a shaman is to fit in all of his spells, it is pretty rare to be not casting something.
Edited, Fri May 27 20:06:02 2005 by Reinman
A level 70 either with modern gear and spells is an awesome force.. solo, group or raid.
I have played Felicite 6-7 days a week for 2 years.. and still think she is the most fun. I am sure there is some Shaman somewhere that says the same?
Med? What is that? I never med.. I take bio breaks sometimes, but there is no reason really to med with the mana regen at my disposal.
I have played Felicite 6-7 days a week for 2 years.. and still think she is the most fun. I am sure there is some Shaman somewhere that says the same?
Med? What is that? I never med.. I take bio breaks sometimes, but there is no reason really to med with the mana regen at my disposal.
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Shaman are great fun, what I like best about my shaman, is that you don't have to med. Starting in your 40's with canni 3, you can do more different things at a time than any other class. ie Your mana regen is better than any other class, and thus you can be doing more things.
Canni is stronger than lich? I never played a shaman but have played a necro for a long time, and lich is the bomb. Along with someone else saying above being able to DoT or steal your life back is killer. I solo much better with my necro and he has about 3k less mana than my druid with magelo in the sig.
Its all about what you want to do in the game. Want to solo to 70? Its possible to do it with both classes. Want to group more? Both have great features for groups.
In the end it is just what you feel like doing, I suggest playing both for about 20 30 levels and see what you like doing.
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Canni is stronger than lich?
Yes, but you have to cast it each time.
At level 70, you can regain 22.8 mana/second with canni.
Lich is 10.5 mana/sec.
Canni is almost a 2/1 ratio for HP/Mana, lich is 4/3. but then shaman have Hot's so that sort of makes up for the bad ratio.
So yes shaman do regain mana faster, although you have to work for it. Casting every 20 seconds instead of once an hour.
RAWR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ENTER ELORIAN!!!!!!
At first necros might seem light a better char.....then again people think zerkers suck.........
Starting off a necro might be "easier"......easy in EQ isn't to hard to reach........you can start as any class and do just fine(if this wasn't the case do you think you would have any chanters or bards???????)....................Overall given those two classes I would say Shaman Hands Down!!!!
A shaman can solo almost as easy as a necro in lower lvls and more imporently lvl faster......Shaman are by far a much more needed class than necros(which in most cases aren't needed at all.....in a group since......) Shamans can solo harder mods than a necro, heal better, dot almost as well, have a very decent pet, and have that best melee buffing ability in the game.....oh ya and that slow thingy..........
Shaman blow necros out of the water................necros might out DPS a shaman.....................but if you want a caster DPS make a mage....or better yet a wizard......
At first necros might seem light a better char.....then again people think zerkers suck.........
Starting off a necro might be "easier"......easy in EQ isn't to hard to reach........you can start as any class and do just fine(if this wasn't the case do you think you would have any chanters or bards???????)....................Overall given those two classes I would say Shaman Hands Down!!!!
A shaman can solo almost as easy as a necro in lower lvls and more imporently lvl faster......Shaman are by far a much more needed class than necros(which in most cases aren't needed at all.....in a group since......) Shamans can solo harder mods than a necro, heal better, dot almost as well, have a very decent pet, and have that best melee buffing ability in the game.....oh ya and that slow thingy..........
Shaman blow necros out of the water................necros might out DPS a shaman.....................but if you want a caster DPS make a mage....or better yet a wizard......
I was waiting for that./sigh Lord Almighty this better not bring me into a shaman vs Necro fight........................................IF SO I WILL BREAK IT DOWN NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IF YOU WANT TO SOLO YOUR WHOLE LIFE MAKE A NECRO.................YOU CAN DO ALMOST ANMYTHING AND DO IT FAST!!!!!!!!!!!!
IF YOU WANT GROUPS AND WANT TO SOLO HARD *** STUFF................BUT DO IT SLOW MAKE A SHAMAN\
FAST/easy=Necro
HARDCORE badass mods/slow=shaman
IF YOU WANT TO SOLO YOUR WHOLE LIFE MAKE A NECRO.................YOU CAN DO ALMOST ANMYTHING AND DO IT FAST!!!!!!!!!!!!
IF YOU WANT GROUPS AND WANT TO SOLO HARD *** STUFF................BUT DO IT SLOW MAKE A SHAMAN\
FAST/easy=Necro
HARDCORE badass mods/slow=shaman
Iksar - good choice, due to Canni/lich.
I vote Lich over Canni, as it is fire and forget (having to cast util spells during fights can get very very dangerous)
Shaman - gets groups easier (if wanted/needed)
Shaman is (plate) edit "chain" class - can "tank" harder mobs (some even say Shaman can solo summoning mobs - hearsay only though)
A necro full mana can (almost) always take on reds. just kill them lifetapping (lifetaps have a -200 MR check, so they very rarely get resisted)
Necro has to research some very important spells (which is a time or PP sink)
Necro has better Crowd control abilities (with mezz, snare and root).
Necro was for me the hardest - but most rewarding - class to play, due to the many util spells - swapping spells quickly will be needed to be an efficient Necro.
Necro has FD.
Shammy gets SoW
Necro has stronger pets (one necro had in his sig: "this is no God, this is my pet" - albeit the shammies pet is useful, yes.
Necro has harmshield
Necro gets summon corpse
Necro can nuke better
Shammy gets great buffs (do you like buffing newbies, other players in GF or PoK?) - whereas Necro gets none - apart from DMF ;)
for both: pet classes are not that easy when grouping... really needs lots of practice
have fun, and tell us what class you picked and why, please :)
PS: Elo, please help me, where is my CAPS LOCK???
Edited, Sat May 28 19:34:28 2005 by Kajolus
I vote Lich over Canni, as it is fire and forget (having to cast util spells during fights can get very very dangerous)
Shaman - gets groups easier (if wanted/needed)
Shaman is (plate) edit "chain" class - can "tank" harder mobs (some even say Shaman can solo summoning mobs - hearsay only though)
A necro full mana can (almost) always take on reds. just kill them lifetapping (lifetaps have a -200 MR check, so they very rarely get resisted)
Necro has to research some very important spells (which is a time or PP sink)
Necro has better Crowd control abilities (with mezz, snare and root).
Necro was for me the hardest - but most rewarding - class to play, due to the many util spells - swapping spells quickly will be needed to be an efficient Necro.
Necro has FD.
Shammy gets SoW
Necro has stronger pets (one necro had in his sig: "this is no God, this is my pet" - albeit the shammies pet is useful, yes.
Necro has harmshield
Necro gets summon corpse
Necro can nuke better
Shammy gets great buffs (do you like buffing newbies, other players in GF or PoK?) - whereas Necro gets none - apart from DMF ;)
for both: pet classes are not that easy when grouping... really needs lots of practice
have fun, and tell us what class you picked and why, please :)
PS: Elo, please help me, where is my CAPS LOCK???
Edited, Sat May 28 19:34:28 2005 by Kajolus
Still a noob. :-P
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Well, yeah, slow. That's really the crux of the matter; back when shaman were the only viable slowers they were grouping gods.
Enter the beastlord. Slow as well as a shaman (for exp group purposes, don't quibble); higher dps, group mana regen.
Enter the beastlord. Slow as well as a shaman (for exp group purposes, don't quibble); higher dps, group mana regen.
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Enter the beastlord. Slow as well as a shaman (for exp group purposes, don't quibble); higher dps, group mana regen.
I play a 69 BL and would agree with one Caveat. BL slows get resisted way more than a Shaman's. And our slow only catches up once we hit 65.
At lvl 50 the BL slow is 30% and a Shaman is like 60-65%
that's a big difference.
Once a BL hits 65 and gets the 65% slow he/she will be more apt to be asked to be the group slower.
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Shaman is plate class - can "tank" harder mobs (some even say Shaman can solo summoning mobs - hearsay only though)
Um, my Shaman has no problems soloing those certain mobs that have summoned me.
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Shaman is plate class - can "tank" harder mobs (some even say Shaman can solo summoning mobs - hearsay only though
Oh, and shaman are a chain class.
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I play a 69 BL and would agree with one Caveat. BL slows get resisted way more than a Shaman's. And our slow only catches up once we hit 65.
At lvl 50 the BL slow is 30% and a Shaman is like 60-65%
that's a big difference.
Once a BL hits 65 and gets the 65% slow he/she will be more apt to be asked to be the group slower.
At lvl 50 the BL slow is 30% and a Shaman is like 60-65%
that's a big difference.
Once a BL hits 65 and gets the 65% slow he/she will be more apt to be asked to be the group slower.
Okay. Then there are enchanters.
My point is, the two reasons shamans are valuable to groups are slows and buffs. They are unique in neither. Mind you, necros aren't exactly replete with unique abilities either.
I love shamans, and I have friends who loved playing them. But to say somewhat childishly that shamans "pwn" necros is just silly. Both classes have value, both can be fun, and it really depends on how you want to play.
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I'm not mad at pants because his # of posts says he's new to the forums, but the rest of you have no excuse.
I'm sorry if 'the rest of you' sounded like every one who posted, but I just mean the ones I quoted... and maybe a few more...
Edited, Sat May 28 18:00:59 2005 by SceltorEltor
ihatepants wrote:
I was thinking about starting up a new toon in the next week or two. Its narrowed down to either a shaman or necro. I've already decided to be an iksar for either one I choose. Can you guys offer any advice on which might be better suited for me.
I'm not mad at pants because his # of posts says he's new to the forums, but the rest of you have no excuse.
SamiraX wrote:
beastlord
elorianBLAH wrote:
RAWR!! I'm a moron
I'm sorry if 'the rest of you' sounded like every one who posted, but I just mean the ones I quoted... and maybe a few more...
Edited, Sat May 28 18:00:59 2005 by SceltorEltor
I did answer him. The beastlord discussion was in response to another poster.
Do try to keep up.
Do try to keep up.
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Reinman wrote:
Oh, and shaman are a chain class.
sorry, my bad. sure, you're right. dunno, where this "plate" came from...was prolly thinking of my gorgeuos pally ;)
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glad to hear. don't have a high lvl. shaman, and simply wasn't sure (as reading this stuff on some boards doesn't really qualify for knowledge per se...) thanks for the confirmation :)
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Oh, and shaman are a chain class.
sorry, my bad. sure, you're right. dunno, where this "plate" came from...was prolly thinking of my gorgeuos pally ;)
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Um, my Shaman has no problems soloing those certain mobs that have summoned me.
glad to hear. don't have a high lvl. shaman, and simply wasn't sure (as reading this stuff on some boards doesn't really qualify for knowledge per se...) thanks for the confirmation :)
Still a noob. :-P
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sorry, my bad. sure, you're right. dunno, where this "plate" came from...was prolly thinking of my gorgeuos pally ;)
It was nitpicky anyway. I was going to let it go the first time I read it, but then when someone quoted it, I just couldn't hold back.
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glad to hear. don't have a high lvl. shaman, and simply wasn't sure (as reading this stuff on some boards doesn't really qualify for knowledge per se...) thanks for the confirmation :)
According to his sig he is level 51. Not really a ton of summoning mobs at 51, at least in the places I was hunting. He is right at the cusp of where mob DPS starts to increase drastically too.
I'd be interested to see his Magelo.
Furthermore, most of the mobs that I have faught that summon, tended to lay waste to me. I have tried 3-4 times to duo the Fierce Cragwalker in Natimbi, it has killed me everytime. I haven't tried since my shammy got the 1900 hp heal though.
/Note to self. Go kill the Fierce Cragwalker.
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Wow, that's a lot to consider. Thanks for all the advice you guys are offering. Sounds like a big factor is speed of soloing easier mobs compared to soloing much stronger mobs.
How big is the difference in speed in soloing your average blue mob? And how much better is a shaman at soloing a higher con mob? How is the high end life for each of these classes?
To me, it sounds like the shaman is used mainly for buffs, slow, and some healing.
Also sounds like the necro is more for DPS.
Can someone give me their opinion on the shaman pet as well. 34 levels to wait, it better be good ;)
How big is the difference in speed in soloing your average blue mob? And how much better is a shaman at soloing a higher con mob? How is the high end life for each of these classes?
To me, it sounds like the shaman is used mainly for buffs, slow, and some healing.
Also sounds like the necro is more for DPS.
Can someone give me their opinion on the shaman pet as well. 34 levels to wait, it better be good ;)
Shaman pet is not a tank. It's a decent mana free dot.
Necro pet is a beast, most levels.
Necro pet is a beast, most levels.
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I love my necro... you should really try one, they are different than any other class I have played and I really like it. Their DoT's and Lifetaps are awesome. The DoT's alone could get alot of monsters down to 50% health. FD is really helpfull too, and they have great mana regen. It is really easy for me to solo on her, but she is only level 19 so it is almost easy for every class. I think I am really going to like her though, you should really try making one.
PS-- their pet's rock! IMO best ones in game
EDIT: <<My name is dark blue now, isn't that neat! lol =)
Edited, Sun May 29 23:30:09 2005 by Fadyenae
PS-- their pet's rock! IMO best ones in game
EDIT: <<My name is dark blue now, isn't that neat! lol =)
Edited, Sun May 29 23:30:09 2005 by Fadyenae
I will obviously have to say Necro.
As a necro I usually take down blue exp mobs in under two minutes - more like 1 minute these days since they revamped spells. There usually isn't much downtime unless I just took on 3-4 mobs at a time.
I've started fighting summoning mobs at 54; took on the pit full of Massive Constructs in The Hole. Not too difficult once you get used to it; based on a lot of lifetapping/leaching.
Utility is a major point with necros - among other abilities they have regular and undead invis, root, snare, feign death, limited mez, undead slow/pacify/charm, resist debuffs, group taps, mana pump, summon corpse and resurrect.
They do have their limitations, of course; their DPS isn't very good because they don't nuke like a Wizard. (or so I've been told)
In general both classes have their mottos:
Shaman - If I can Slow it, I can fight it.
Necro - If I can Snare it, I can kite it.
As a necro I usually take down blue exp mobs in under two minutes - more like 1 minute these days since they revamped spells. There usually isn't much downtime unless I just took on 3-4 mobs at a time.
I've started fighting summoning mobs at 54; took on the pit full of Massive Constructs in The Hole. Not too difficult once you get used to it; based on a lot of lifetapping/leaching.
Utility is a major point with necros - among other abilities they have regular and undead invis, root, snare, feign death, limited mez, undead slow/pacify/charm, resist debuffs, group taps, mana pump, summon corpse and resurrect.
They do have their limitations, of course; their DPS isn't very good because they don't nuke like a Wizard. (or so I've been told)
In general both classes have their mottos:
Shaman - If I can Slow it, I can fight it.
Necro - If I can Snare it, I can kite it.
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