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#1 Jul 30 2004 at 12:34 PM Rating: Decent
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I have always had a sick fascination with browzing the various sites that sell game stuff, podering what kind of people would pay hundreds of dollars for items and cash. I kind of forgot about all that for awhile, noticing the Yantis IGE banners, the site take-overs and so forth, but not paying much attention.

BUT TODAY, I thought, I wonder what is happening over on PLYRAWK.com, so I browsed over there, and LO AND BEHOLD, Fennon ro auction had only 44 items (used to be 300 plus), YANTIS is gone, and the bottom has fallen out of PP prices.

So have Yantis IGE become so successful they dont need old PA.com anymore? Fennon ro seems to still have good population. Could it be that the 'buy my success' crowd has moved on to other trendy games??

what do you think is going on here, guys, I am amazed.
#2 Jul 30 2004 at 12:40 PM Rating: Good
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Now that you mention it, Saryrn only had one page of auctions just now. Morden Rasp has 11 auctions including someone selling a lvl 30 monk Smiley: laugh

I've got no answers. But I used to browse PA.com just out of boredom now and then a couple years ago and remember there being 10+ pages of Saryrn auctions. Granted a lot of them were things like Cougar Claw earrings for $2.50 and dumb crap like that.
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#3 Jul 30 2004 at 3:30 PM Rating: Decent
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I've always wanted to get a peak at Yantis' sales figures. I have no idea if he manages to sell elemental equipped druids for $700, but that's a huge profit considering he would offer most people about $40 for that character.

Like Jophiel I have no explanations, but Stromm is down from 20 pages to less than a full one on PA. I guess it's just like the others.

Yantis advancing above these sites is all I can think of. It's like a small, private business selling things on Ebay to augment their store sales. Once they become successful and begin to grow significantly, they will probably forget miniscule Ebay profits.

I want to open a platinum selling business. ***** college.
#4 Jul 30 2004 at 3:42 PM Rating: Default
I dunno, I still make a VERY tidy sum of money from selling Plat to mysupersales every month. I wait till the first Friday of each month usually around 4pm and the prices are still quite good for me. The account thing may be dying down, just because so many 65 uber 300+ aa characters are already out there, but PP sales are alive and kicking as far as I can tell.
#5 Jul 31 2004 at 12:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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I dunno, I still make a VERY tidy sum of money from selling Plat to mysupersales every month.


You, sir, are what is wrong with the gaming world today.
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#6 Jul 31 2004 at 12:23 PM Rating: Good
/agrees
Get a job.
#7 Jul 31 2004 at 2:46 PM Rating: Decent
Yeah I also agree...

And I also go out of my way and NEVER group with noobs who sell/buy items/pp/chars with real money. It just destroys the whole idea of EQ. If I find out that someone is in a group and cheated like that, then I either boot them or I get the group leader to boot.
#8 Jul 31 2004 at 3:45 PM Rating: Good
PA.com was bought out by yantis and ige six months ago, but it was only recently announced. They've started doing more heavy ige/yantis adds, and thus I would assume they no longer need 273892738927389273892378923738025678236809127409812738 listings of the same product.
#9REDACTED, Posted: Aug 02 2004 at 1:11 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Hey umm Coreyjim, guess what? I actually DO have a job, a pretty good one at that. I work full time, and yes I am what is wrong with the gaming world, EQ in particular today. However, I feel if somebody else is going to make money off of PP sales why shouldn't I? I spend 3-4 hours a day playing the game during the week, and a bit more on the weekends. I DO have a life as well, it just so happens I am one of those people can juggle a lot of different things at a time.
#10 Aug 02 2004 at 1:25 PM Rating: Good
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To all who don't like it, too bad, cuz there isn't a damn thing you or anybody else can do about it.
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Actually, that's not true. Since you left a Magelo in your sig, pointing to your character name and server, anyone who wanted to could report your actions to Sony, who could then kill your account due to your violation of the player's agreement. Oops!

Oh, and one more point. A lack of moral fiber in some one else or in many others is never an excuse to commit the same immoral act. Lots of people rob banks and jack cars... does that mean that if you needed to pay a few bills you'd be willing to take up that line of work as well...

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#11 Aug 02 2004 at 1:46 PM Rating: Decent
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OBD wrote:
Lots of people rob banks and jack cars... does that mean that if you needed to pay a few bills you'd be willing to take up that line of work as well...
Grulkraad has essentially answered this:

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I feel if somebody else is going to make money off of PP sales why shouldn't I?

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I am not willing to watch these people do something,make a killing off of it, have no way to stop it, and NOT get in on the action.
In Grulkraad's defense, he is doing something that, while against the EULA, SOE clearly has no intention of stopping. Moreover, SOE is obviously thinking of getting involved in just this kind of activity themselves.

In a world as diverse as ours, it is a fanciful notion that rules can be enforced solely by an honor system. There will always be someone who violates them for personal gain. There are even more people who will do so when there is clearly no enforcement.

Ethics aren't game-world specific unless you are roleplaying. It's hard to imagine someone roleplaying a Yantis Plat farmer. While I might (and do) fault Grulkraad's ethics, I primarily blame SOE for failure to enforce their own rules to the detriment of the game and its playerbase.
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Actually, given the number of posts Grul's made where he's bragging about doing something offensive (plat sales, training, being a general meat pickle) I'd written him off as either a lying troll trying to get a rise or someone whose opinion is meaningless to me anyway.
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Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#13 Aug 02 2004 at 2:13 PM Rating: Default
Joph, I find that comment to be a tad hurtful. Like I have said before, I have only intentionally trained people 2 times total, and that was with EXTREME provocation. I am not trying to be inflammatory by any means, merely telling the truth. I think what you said was pretty -f-ed up actually.

I think a lot of other people sell PP as well, and I don't feel that it is such a big deal. While it is a violation of the EULA and proper ethics and all, it is something that is here to stay. I don't mind making money off of something I myself would NEVER do. I think making PP in game is too damn easy to ever to have to resort to such methods.

Can you elaborate on the meat pickle thing there Joph, because I am not quite certain of what you are talking about. I have already explained the facts about training in my eyes and on a PvP server in a prior thread, and I think we can safely agree to disagree on PP sales, but whats the deal with the personal attack? I just don't understand why you would lay into me like that over VERY little. Any thread I have started has been harmless and inoffensive. I once in a while get a little overzealous, but not to the point where I deserved that kind of comment. I wish more people would speak up and tell the truth on these boards, because if the ratio of total saints on every server was as high as it is here, EQ would be a totally different game.
#14 Aug 02 2004 at 3:04 PM Rating: Decent
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I have only intentionally trained people 2 times total, and that was with EXTREME provocation.

It is not the frequency of the act that is the problem but instead that you find the concept and practice acceptable or even admirable. And the provocation may well have been *EXTREME* only in your point of view. A point of view I find it hard to sympathize with or relate to given your general attitude.

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I think a lot of other people sell PP as well, and I don't feel that it is such a big deal.

Once again, rationalization is not justification and you're lack of understanding of the seriousness of the issue dosen't make it any less meaningful.

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I have already explained the facts about training in my eyes and on a PvP server in a prior thread, and I think we can safely agree to disagree on PP sales...

This is indicitive of the *low road* moral stance that brought us all here in the first place, so no, we don't *safely* agree here or elsewhere.

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...Any thread I have started has been harmless and inoffensive.

Sorry, but I find your attitude and oppinions neither harmless nor inoffensive.

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I wish more people would speak up and tell the truth on these boards, because if the ratio of total saints on every server was as high as it is here, EQ would be a totally different game.

Wishful thinking on your part since if true, it would, (in your mind), validate the boarish behaviour you excel in.

Bottom line here is that you know that what you're saying and advocating here is wrong... you keep backing away from each stance and trying to rationalize your behaviour. Yet, you hang on and insist that what you're doing isn't *so bad*... well guess again, with every post, you persist in showing yourself to be morally bankrupt as well as ethically deficient.
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