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#1 Jul 27 2004 at 3:06 PM Rating: Decent
I don't know if:
#1 This actually exists.
#2 If it does is it considered evil 3rd party software like macroquest. If it is then I guess just disregard this portion of my query.

Is there such a thing as a Bazaar Watcher? Something that can watch prices and compile averages for any or all items and such? This doesn't seem quite like an evil thing to me, but may be so. Or is this something that cheaters who use Macroquest do? It would be nice to have an actual fact based weekly and monthly average on Bazaar prices...but it sounds too good to be considered fair.

The other question I have is, what are some of your folk's favorite UI's to use, as I am bored with mine and looking into finding another...thats all for now.
#2 Jul 27 2004 at 3:22 PM Rating: Decent
yes eq toolbox has something very similar to this. Sorry I dont have a link
#3 Jul 27 2004 at 3:26 PM Rating: Decent
Awesome...thanks for the reply Draco.
#4 Jul 27 2004 at 4:47 PM Rating: Good
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For future reference, you might not want to title a thread "Please don't flame me to death". It doesn't give anyone any kind of idea as to what your thread is actually about. Because people don't know what the thread is about, you probably won't get as many helpful answers as you might otherwise have gotten. Such a title as yours actually attracts people who would want to flame you just to see "what stupid thing the person wrote" that they think people are going to flame them for.

As far as your actual post, while it may be a relatively harmless bit of software, you can infact have your account banned if you are found to be using it. SOE doesn't approve of any third party software used to interact with their game. EQ Windows is probably the only exception I can think of. I'm sure they allow it for at least this one reason..... It allows people to play more accounts which is good for their business.
#5 Jul 27 2004 at 5:21 PM Rating: Decent
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But I think what was described wouldn't necessarily get you banned. It sounds like a passive sniffer program that collects the data that you are looking for, not that much different from the profile updating software from this site or from Magelo. The only difference is what each one is looking for.
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#6 Jul 27 2004 at 5:27 PM Rating: Good
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While I agree with you in spirit, it really depends on what SOE feels at the moment. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if Magelo gives a kick-back in the form of a percentage of it's membership sales to SOE for allowing them to do this. Magelo wouldn't be making money with memberships if SOE decided they didn't want them doing this.
#7 Jul 27 2004 at 5:44 PM Rating: Default
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Edited, Tue Jul 27 18:47:53 2004 by sickseventwenty
#8 Jul 27 2004 at 6:10 PM Rating: Decent
hmm,this forum seems good enough to hi-jack,where do i download all the ingame maps?
#9 Jul 27 2004 at 6:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Here for maps-> [link=maps.eq-toolbox.com]maps.eq-toolbox.com[/link]
#10 Jul 28 2004 at 12:03 PM Rating: Default
eqecon.com check it out. It is a pay service, they are doing the work for you just look it up based on your server. A guildmate was a play-tester for them.

I have no clue if they are legal, or not, in SOE's eyes. It would seem that seeing how they are doing the work, and you are not using any sniffer yourself. It must be SOE accepted, if not ok. I am not sure though.

I was under the impression that SOE sponsored these guys to get a guage on each bazaar economy. Again, I am not certain on that statement. I just think I read somewere that they were/are.

Edited, Wed Jul 28 13:04:48 2004 by HealerMedic

Edited, Wed Jul 28 13:05:36 2004 by HealerMedic
#11 Jul 28 2004 at 12:57 PM Rating: Decent
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And then there is good old eqprices.com, huge database of submissions over the years, mebbe not all the same features.

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#12 Jul 28 2004 at 10:12 PM Rating: Default
Sony doesnt have any problems with programs that jusr read logs and they have said that before. The only programs they have a problem are ones that people use to change something with the actual EQ program.
#13 Jul 29 2004 at 12:32 AM Rating: Good
What I would rather see is a way, through a spell or an item ( which would have to be equipt) that would allow you to look at the bazzaar vendors from anywhere in the game. You could then send that person a tell if interested in an item ( and then you would the Sorry. Im afk atm, message ) This could give us something to do while we wait and wait and wait some more before the 7pm raid starts at 8:30pm.

Also, I would like to see more vendors at their keyboards, again I'd like to see the ability to trade as a say 2-3 hour spell, maybe this would start some price decreases as the vendor would want to move the items as opposed to going afk for the weekend and if it sells it sells...just my 2cents.
#14 Jul 29 2004 at 6:04 AM Rating: Good
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Byrkann wrote:
Also, I would like to see more vendors at their keyboards, (...) maybe this would start some price decreases as the vendor would want to move the items as opposed to going afk for the weekend and if it sells it sells...just my 2cents.
There is a fairly big split in people as to whether they prefer in-person haggling or afk hands-free trading. Some traders are afk by choice, because they don't want to haggle and make a fast sale. Other traders are afk because they are sleeping or at work - there is nothing you can do to change this unless you ban afk trading. There are also traders who are at the keyboard and you are free to bargain with them to your heart's content.

As a buyer, I prefer to have access to all the traders, afk or not, because it means more goods for sale and more seller price competition for any given item. As a seller, I want the freedom to actively sell, hawking my wares, or passively sell while I am doing other things. To me, the beauty of the bazaar is the freedom of buying and selling by any method one chooses.

Your idea of making the bazaar search screen accessible from other zones would be a nice way to pass time when you have it to spare. I suppose they didn't do this because it isn't as immersive as actually traveling there and transacting in-person with the traders.
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#15 Aug 02 2004 at 11:59 PM Rating: Decent
I wish people would use things like this to price their wares. For example, this was a while ago, but there was a bunch of people creating platinum, which in turn made all the bazaar prices go up. To this day, the prices have not come back down.
And then, of course, there are people who just dont know what stuff is worth. For example, embalming dust for 25pp (this one made me particularly frustrated, as it was the last thing I needed for my newbie armor quest)
#16 Aug 03 2004 at 1:23 AM Rating: Decent
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For example, embalming dust for 25pp (this one made me particularly frustrated, as it was the last thing I needed for my newbie armor quest)
Sorry if this may anger you but if you wont risk geting your toon hurt by fighting mummies than at least dont be so lazy to check the bazaar only! Embalming dust is on nearly every vendor North Ro.

And this goes for every newbie armor component - either its no drop or gets sold to the vendors in the mobs zone by other players.

Its a shame how lazy people get these days.
#17 Aug 03 2004 at 6:08 AM Rating: Decent
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And then, of course, there are people who just dont know what stuff is worth. For example, embalming dust for 25pp
It may not be worth 25p to you, for the use you intend, but it may be worth much more to someone else. Prices will find a stable level when supply meets demand.

Many items in game are used for multiple purposes. Imagine a recipe where embalming dust is one component for a crafted item that sells for 50kp - it might be worth 500p to someone doing this particular tradeskill.

Your embalming dust is used in rogue's high level (>250 skill) poisons. Since it is mob dropped only, it will command a 'high' price, just like spider silk. When tradeskillers are looking for components for their craft, they balance time needed to farm supplies vs. bazaar cost and often the bazaar wins. Heading to EC to kill mummies for embalming dust for 6 hours is not likely to be the top priority on a level 65 rogue's wish list.
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#18 Aug 03 2004 at 6:37 AM Rating: Good
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The "worth" of an item, is what people will pay. Yes, you can be competive, if you want, and sell fast, or take 6 months to sell something overpriced, if it ever sells.

If I am trying to buy a particular item I really need, sometimes I am grateful that people "overpriced" it or it would be sold before I got there.

If you don't like the price, do not buy the item. If you don't like AFK traders, avoid them. I myself love the AFK traders because there are a lot of hours people do RL things and all that merchandise would be unavailable.
#19 Aug 03 2004 at 7:13 AM Rating: Decent
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Byrkann wrote:
What I would rather see is a way, through a spell or an item ( which would have to be equipt) that would allow you to look at the bazzaar vendors from anywhere in the game. You could then send that person a tell if interested in an item


The item or spell would be the Wireless palm pilot or compact laptop. Hmmm, internet shopping in EQ???

Or while waiting for group at camp your toon could be playing EQ on your equipped laptop - and your toons toon is playing EQ on it's equipped laptop, and your toons toons toon.............

Whoa weird.
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