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#1 Jul 22 2004 at 6:01 PM Rating: Sub-Default
I'm reading a few posts on here about ethics and the like in EQ. First off, the majority goal in the game is to level your toon. I'm just curious, you could do carrot running quests or the like to gain xp...which is as painfully slow as the continental drift. OR...you can slash, burn, poison and villainously MURDER to gain XP. So when people say we should be polite in the bazaar, easy on the cursing, bleh-bleh-bleh....that's retarded considering what you actually do in this game. This game is for adults, and if parents understand that their kids will be creating killing machines, then adult consequences come with it. WOOOOOT!!! SPRINGERS FINAL THOUGHT, BOYS AND GIRLS!! I expect plenty of tree-hugging, non-reality responses in return that will not logically compensate for an argument. Thank you. :D
#2 Jul 22 2004 at 6:14 PM Rating: Good
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Okay, I can't resist. The difference is you are NOT actually killing anything when you play the game -- i.e. it's a game. When you are rude to people and treat them without respect you ARE actually hurting someone. Think about it.
#3 Jul 22 2004 at 6:18 PM Rating: Good
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Think about it.


That might strain something.

Most of the really rude a-holes in game don't want to consider that they are dealing with real people at the other end of the connection. That's what makes them rude a-holes.

The rest of us were just born that way. Smiley: king
#4 Jul 22 2004 at 6:38 PM Rating: Good
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I expect plenty of tree-hugging, non-reality responses in return that will not logically compensate for an argument.
I don't have the same in-game goals as you do. Could you post your character names and server so that I can keep out of your way while you ninja loot, pillage, murder, and curse?
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#5 Jul 22 2004 at 7:03 PM Rating: Good
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^^^^^

I'm with him. And it's not like blood spews everywhere when you kill something. Unless im missing something :O...

But yeah, there's a huge difference between killing things, and being rude in the bazaar.
#6 Jul 22 2004 at 8:22 PM Rating: Good
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that's retarded considering what you actually do in this game.

Technically, what you actually do in this game is click a mouse button and mash a variety of keys in an attempt to simulate the actions and reactions of your toon(s). You never actually hit or kick or kill anyone. Did you think you were really doing those things?

On the other hand, when you attempt to mislead, cheat or otherwise take advantage of another player, you are actually commiting immoral acts because you are interacting with another human being and not an NPC or MOB.

Do you see a difference here now?

One more thing - regarding Springer... he has never had a thought , final or otherwise, but if you are a fan of his, you probably never saw that either.
#7 Jul 22 2004 at 9:34 PM Rating: Good
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I'm reading a few posts on here about ethics and the like in EQ.


Some how I didn't think this was going to start well.

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First off, the majority goal in the game is to level your toon. I'm just curious, you could do carrot running quests or the like to gain xp...which is as painfully slow as the continental drift. OR...you can slash, burn, poison and villainously MURDER to gain XP.


I'm see you've actually played this game alot. Because there are SOO many quests where you just travel from point A to point B. Smiley: rolleyes

And you know, leveling up your character by purely "slash, burn, poison, and villainously murder" is Sooo outrageously fast thats why people call it *griding*

Also, you might want to check out this really cool topic, its called the English language. And while I'm no expert at it I can tell you that stating "I'm just curious" would usually mean that you were going to end your sentence in a question, not a statement.

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So when people say we should be polite in the bazaar, easy on the cursing, bleh-bleh-bleh....that's retarded considering what you actually do in this game.


And what exactly do you *do* in this game to make you get responses such as this? Do you act like that in real life to other people you are doing other fun activities with? And when's the last time you "hack, slashed, etc." your way through the bazaar?
You said the object of the game was to level up, not make other people's lives hell.

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This game is for adults, and if parents understand that their kids will be creating killing machines, then adult consequences come with it.


To be honest, I haven't the foggiest Idea what in God's green earth you are saying here. But in any case - your right, only grubby middle age men who still live in their parents basement and have yet to see a grown woman naked in real life, such as yourself, deserve to play the game. Smiley: oyvey

(sorry if this offends anyone IRL)

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WOOOOOT!!! SPRINGERS FINAL THOUGHT, BOYS AND GIRLS!! I expect plenty of tree-hugging, non-reality responses in return that will not logically compensate for an argument. Thank you. :D


I like the whole non-reality concept - you seem to have a great grasp on it Smiley: clap

But really - you do realize that when your playing this game your not *really* in another world right? When's the last time cursing has gotten you that better job (i.e. the equivalent of real world leveling).

Just the fact that you put emphasis on words such as murder show that you have the inability to survive in a social environment. Stating you watch Jerry Springer really doesn't help either.

Some how I have a feeling you play a dark elf or iksar necromancer because you 1.) can't survive in social situations so you need to be able to solo. 2.) Think your ability to solo makes you a king and makes you worthy of spouting out worthless crud such as this.

Of course, I'm not going to trust word one coming out of your mouth, so you'll probably respond with how your a upstanding citizen and have 3 kids or feed needy kittens or something like that. Really your just a Smiley: clown

And normally I don't post like this - but seeing as how you think this is the appropriate way for the game to be played - whats the harm, right?

#8 Jul 23 2004 at 6:50 AM Rating: Good
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I expect plenty of tree-hugging, non-reality responses in return that will not logically compensate for an argument. Thank you. :D
Who could pass up that invitation? Not I.

I do many adult activities, and still try not to curse overly much or be rude all the time. (Work for instance, my co-workers would stomp on me if I treated them in the manner that some of the people in EQ treat others, and my bosses would certainly not tolerate it.)

To me cursing is tolerable sometimes, until someone cannot express an opinion without using it. Most people do not do it in every sentence, and I would rather not be too close to people that have to curse with every breath. Many people do not like cursing at all, and I try not to curse if it offends them, politeness again.

I note that you said "Thank you" at the end, a phrase that has no usefullness aside from being polite. Please remember the orc isn't real, the other players are, and their age is not a factor in their treatment. They expect to be treated like people, not orcs.
#9 Jul 23 2004 at 7:04 AM Rating: Good
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Think about it.


That might strain something.

Most of the really rude a-holes in game don't want to consider that they are dealing with real people at the other end of the connection. That's what makes them rude a-holes.

The rest of us were just born that way. Smiley: king



I have to agree with TS here. For some reason these yahoos feel safe behind their computer screens. They view themselves as untouchable since you can't reach through the monitor and strangle them (I truely hope technology will advance to this point someday). I get the impression that a lot of these pricks are spoiled 8 year olds who are pissed off that mommy and daddy didn't buy them the exact color pony that they wanted.
Its the same story on message boards and chat rooms across the net. Sad as it may be, some people just get off on peeing in other peoples breakfast cerial. From a psychological stand point I think the majority of these people are the types that would normally get beat up on a daily bassis if they ever opened their mouth in public. That or they are angry at the world because the have a small P'er.
I can't tell you how many times I have run into some jerk training or kill stealing that when you try to talk to them about it, immediately want to duel you with any of their uber Lvl 65/400 AA toons (fresh from player auctions).
#10 Jul 23 2004 at 12:15 PM Rating: Default
L O L ... thanks for the entertainment everyone. I'm not saying curse non-stop, steal from noobs all day in the bazaar, etc...but if it happens on occasion, that's the nature of this game for some...it should be expected from SOME people. It is an adult game...you kill things whether you admit seeing it this way through your Democratic, Care Bear loving goggles or not. There are other games out there kids can play that don't require you killing and looting to basically gain imaginary power in a game. (Though they are not as popular, eh? Hmmmmm) And yes, it is a game...some of you referred to me as some middle-aged loser who lives through this game vicariously. Whatever, I can make the same kind of guesses about you, but what's the point...we already know. Also, when did I ever say it wasn't a game, and who are you referring to on this point?? Hypocrites like to make things up to try to deviate from the main topic, so this was expected.
So again, no one on in this post has admitted that this game is PRIMARILY (for you idiots who want to argue that) killing and looting things to gain self-power. None of the hypocrites on this post will admit that, will they? That was the main point to my post...everything else was secondary.

And for the idiots on here that don't have a sense of humor, I was referring to Springer in a sarcastic way. He is sad...as sad as some of the whining I've seen on the posts these days, thus the Springer reference. So again, please read above, give me your weakest argument about what you really do and accomplish in the game and explain how it's not an adult game. If you're going to create a gaming world like Everquest, expect sh*t to happen. So deal with it, you pacifier-suckin crybabies and try to understand the real meaning of my original post.
#11 Jul 23 2004 at 12:46 PM Rating: Default
Amen rhino....
#12 Jul 23 2004 at 12:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Springer makes money for being an a-hole. You just get flamed on internet forums.

Anyways, if you have ever read the strategy guides and such released by SoE you should have been able to gather that Sony's intentions were to create a game where people work together to gain power and achieve a common goal. This rape-pillage-killsteal-ninjaloot-and-cuss-out-children attitude was most likely not what the game developer's pictured when they released EverQuest. It's a product of the people that play the game.

Players who look for justification in being jerks are just that, jerks. I don't care if you want to attribute it to roleplaying or whatever else, you have no right to ruin the gaming experience of other people. You could also stand to take a few English courses, since your posts are barely coherent.
#13 Jul 23 2004 at 1:05 PM Rating: Default
Please Atiba, get a f@ckin clue. To quote your grammar...

"Players who look for justification in being jerks are just that, jerks."

Let's see...hmm...that's not a grammatically correct sentence now is it??? :( Guess you didn't fare very well on that portion of the SAT, eh?

"You could also stand to take a few English courses, since your posts are barely coherent."

I love it when people say things like this on posts as an excuse for being defeated in the main point behind the post. Reading your excerpt was just as "grammatically" correct as mine....L O L.

Anyway, back to the main point...just thought Atiba's moronic post deserved extra consideration for his short-bus logic.
#14 Jul 23 2004 at 1:12 PM Rating: Default
Back to the main point, it is a game. No one on here has admitted yet that the main point of the game is to kill and loot off their corpse what was previously theirs. I'm waiting for someone to say,
"No Dyno, I just gently hit the other non-player guy over the head, put them in a coma, and borrowed what they had until I can give it back." I'm waiting for variations on this for a good laugh today.

Face it- YOU KILL, YOU LOOT, AND THEN SELL YOUR THINGS ON THE BLACK MARKET. (Oops, that was before Al Gore introduced the family friendly bazaar)
#15 Jul 23 2004 at 1:13 PM Rating: Decent
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If you can correct me, please do, but at least give a reason why my sentences are so grammatically incorrect.

As far as being defeated on the original topic, you haven't really backed that claim either. You've just insulted everyone who replied to the thread and disagreed with you.

Edit: The game's point is to kill and loot. Your original post, and most of the replies for that matter, had no problems with that concept. Everyone got stirred up by the fact that you attempted using it to justify acting like a jerk to other players. It also appears this thread was rated low enough to be filtered by the default, so this is the last time I check.

Edited, Fri Jul 23 14:22:03 2004 by Atiba
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