Morning everyone,
I think Alla should offer complimentary grammar and punctuation lessons for some of the individuals who post on this board. I am not a grammar freak but some of the posts are just ridiculous. I get a headache trying to decipher a whole paragraph of sentences in which the user has completly avoided punctuation, capital letters, complete sentences etc.....
Am I being just a bunghole, or is the future of America in big trouble? Have chat rooms and message boards been reduced to a bunch of lazy, obese humanoids who consider placing a period at the end of a sentence too much trouble. Please put the Super Value bag of Cheetos and the 72 o.z. Mellow Yellow Ball Buster down and start learning to communicate properly! Please start the flames now!
Bub
Edited, Wed Jul 21 09:07:09 2004 by bubspeed
Edited, Wed Jul 21 09:07:24 2004 by bubspeed
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Ok, first flame. Apparently spelling needs to be offered too. You can be the first student.
It is spelled grammar.
gram·mar ( P ) Pronunciation Key (grmr)
n.
The study of how words and their component parts combine to form sentences.
The study of structural relationships in language or in a language, sometimes including pronunciation, meaning, and linguistic history.
The system of inflections, syntax, and word formation of a language.
The system of rules implicit in a language, viewed as a mechanism for generating all sentences possible in that language.
A normative or prescriptive set of rules setting forth the current standard of usage for pedagogical or reference purposes.
Writing or speech judged with regard to such a set of rules.
A book containing the morphologic, syntactic, and semantic rules for a specific language.
The basic principles of an area of knowledge: the grammar of music.
A book dealing with such principles.
It is spelled grammar.
gram·mar ( P ) Pronunciation Key (grmr)
n.
The study of how words and their component parts combine to form sentences.
The study of structural relationships in language or in a language, sometimes including pronunciation, meaning, and linguistic history.
The system of inflections, syntax, and word formation of a language.
The system of rules implicit in a language, viewed as a mechanism for generating all sentences possible in that language.
A normative or prescriptive set of rules setting forth the current standard of usage for pedagogical or reference purposes.
Writing or speech judged with regard to such a set of rules.
A book containing the morphologic, syntactic, and semantic rules for a specific language.
The basic principles of an area of knowledge: the grammar of music.
A book dealing with such principles.
I do have egg on my face for that post. I realized after I hit the button that I spelled grammar with an "e".
However, do you guys understand where I am coming from?
However, do you guys understand where I am coming from?
Hahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahah.
You can never complain about grammar unless you read your complaint a million times over to ensure you've spelt every word write.
I agree with you though, my misses has terrible spelling, and she's 28!!!!!! I'm confident that youngsters are generally getting worse. Writing in text message speak doesn't help.
You can never complain about grammar unless you read your complaint a million times over to ensure you've spelt every word write.
I agree with you though, my misses has terrible spelling, and she's 28!!!!!! I'm confident that youngsters are generally getting worse. Writing in text message speak doesn't help.
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You can never complain about grammar unless you read your complaint a million times over to ensure you've spelt every word write.
Sweet sweet irony
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Oh hell camp me all you want f**kers. I own this site and thus I own you. - Allakhazam
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Aude Sapere
Oh hell camp me all you want f**kers. I own this site and thus I own you. - Allakhazam
God,
We all suck!
(Hopefully no spelling issues here)
We all suck!
(Hopefully no spelling issues here)
This reminds me of Bill Cosby's recent rant about education. He was talking about problems primarily in the black community, but many issues here span any racial lines.
I think he was concluding that the fault lies primarily with the culture in which kids develop today, combined with parental apathy. In my opinion, it is partly due to a idealization of apathy and laziness, combined with a sense of entitlement regardless of merit or ability, in a culture which expects immediate gratification. It's like taking the 60's mantra of sex, drugs, and rock 'n roll, propping it's eyelids open with toothpicks, and putting it on a bad acid trip by force feeding it with gansta rap and endless Zima-soaked spring break parties.
Since this is a game forum, our tiny sub-population of forum posters is enriched for those who care less about education and more about entertainment and gratification. In the United States, 5% of the population is illiterate by the US Government definition. That's 1 in 20 of a random sample of people who can't read. You would expect that on an EQ forum, the percentage of posters who are functionally illiterate would exceed that greatly.
Being illiterate isn't one of the freedoms guaranteed by the constitution; it is (becoming) a personal choice made not by the circumstances outside one's control but by the conscious choice of the individual to not act on his own behalf.
I think he was concluding that the fault lies primarily with the culture in which kids develop today, combined with parental apathy. In my opinion, it is partly due to a idealization of apathy and laziness, combined with a sense of entitlement regardless of merit or ability, in a culture which expects immediate gratification. It's like taking the 60's mantra of sex, drugs, and rock 'n roll, propping it's eyelids open with toothpicks, and putting it on a bad acid trip by force feeding it with gansta rap and endless Zima-soaked spring break parties.
Since this is a game forum, our tiny sub-population of forum posters is enriched for those who care less about education and more about entertainment and gratification. In the United States, 5% of the population is illiterate by the US Government definition. That's 1 in 20 of a random sample of people who can't read. You would expect that on an EQ forum, the percentage of posters who are functionally illiterate would exceed that greatly.
Being illiterate isn't one of the freedoms guaranteed by the constitution; it is (becoming) a personal choice made not by the circumstances outside one's control but by the conscious choice of the individual to not act on his own behalf.
.....and there lies the ruin of our Civilisation.
Everyone has the choice to do whatever they like and everyone else must tolerate them for doing it.
Hence, if I want to do jack didderly squidge, please respect my choice t o d o t h a ........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Chaos ensues.
Hmmm, how do you spell ensues, oh dear.
Everyone has the choice to do whatever they like and everyone else must tolerate them for doing it.
Hence, if I want to do jack didderly squidge, please respect my choice t o d o t h a ........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Chaos ensues.
Hmmm, how do you spell ensues, oh dear.
I don't have a problem with people as long they use periods. If you have a big heap of text don't expect me to decipher it and give you a straight answer, I just won't. I also get pissed off when people typ lik thiz thinking it is cute; it's not cute, it's annoying so stfu.
Bam! Semi-colon, damn I rock...
Bam! Semi-colon, damn I rock...
Me didnt' understand why my speling is so badd, but now I can reelate.
You know I'm sure many of us would'nt have such bad grammar in our posts, if we were'nt quickly doing them on our lunchbreaks while looking over our shoulder for the boss and eating a turkey sandwich at the same time. Like I'm doing right now.)
Suggestion:
Do it while your boss is watching. You'll learn whether it's ok or not.
Personally, I get more work done than any 3 other people around here and still have time to post. My boss has no problems with it if I want to post something. Probably because he knows I'll go back to work afterwards instead of sitting around on my butt with a goofy look on my face and that having a conversation about it would take longer than letting me have my little perk.
Do it while your boss is watching. You'll learn whether it's ok or not.
Personally, I get more work done than any 3 other people around here and still have time to post. My boss has no problems with it if I want to post something. Probably because he knows I'll go back to work afterwards instead of sitting around on my butt with a goofy look on my face and that having a conversation about it would take longer than letting me have my little perk.
Suggestion
Its a friggin joke!!!!Get a sense of humor!!!
Also I'm really impressed with your ability to do more work then three people. I'm sure that's why they have a plaque at Burger King that says "Employee of the Month" with your picture and name on it. Please keep up the good work!!!!!
Edited, Wed Jul 21 13:19:05 2004 by RedjedBlue
Edited, Wed Jul 21 13:19:39 2004 by RedjedBlue
Its a friggin joke!!!!Get a sense of humor!!!
Also I'm really impressed with your ability to do more work then three people. I'm sure that's why they have a plaque at Burger King that says "Employee of the Month" with your picture and name on it. Please keep up the good work!!!!!
Edited, Wed Jul 21 13:19:05 2004 by RedjedBlue
Edited, Wed Jul 21 13:19:39 2004 by RedjedBlue
LanceValiant wrote:
.....and there lies the ruin of our Civilisation.
Everyone has the choice to do whatever they like and everyone else must tolerate them for doing it.
Everyone has the choice to do whatever they like and everyone else must tolerate them for doing it.
I would hardly call it "the ruin of our Civilisation" considering that we actually do NOT have the right to do whatever we like.
We have the right to do whatever we like if, and ONLY if, it falls within the definition of law-abiding behavior. Otherwise, we get carted off to jail, regardless of what we believe or think our rights to be. Then no one but the other inmates have to tolerate you.
As for the grammar, punctuation and spelling issues in posts, no one is perfect. However, it's not hard to do a quick scan over what you've written before you hit the "post message" button.
I think a lot of it has to do with the annonymity of message boards. Most posters wouldn't send off a memo(or class paper depending on your situation) with no paragraphs or puntuation for the simple fact that the poor appearance of the document would reflect negatively on them. Here it just reflects badly on xxenigmaxx, or whatever handle they've choosen.
And if you're going to criticize someone for spelling, grammar or punctuation, always triple check your own post before sending. It kind of makes you look foolish when you post "soandso can't spell any better than a firt grader."
As Jesus(or possibly Mickey Mouse
) said, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."Quote:
I think a lot of it has to do with the annonymity of message boards. Most posters wouldn't send off a memo(or class paper depending on your situation) with no paragraphs or puntuation for the simple fact that the poor appearance of the document would reflect negatively on them. Here it just reflects badly on xxenigmaxx, or whatever handle they've choosen.
Judging by the emails I receive at work, I don't believe people in general care very much about other people thinking negatively.
Even someone trying to impress you does not seem to care enough, or know enough, to correct themselves. Since email has spell checking, they usually use incorrect "similar" words like your/you're or their/there or to/two/too or read/red.
Personally i don't care how bad your spelling is or if your comma's are in the correct places.
Just make your post readable and let it go at that. I assume this has something to do with that Troll Noll and his inablity to use Paragraphs.
All i care about is that any post is legable enough for me to understand what people are asking or replying with.
It's not a hard consept people, the written word is a beautiful thing to behold and so long as it can be deciphered who really cares.
Just make your post readable and let it go at that. I assume this has something to do with that Troll Noll and his inablity to use Paragraphs.
All i care about is that any post is legable enough for me to understand what people are asking or replying with.
It's not a hard consept people, the written word is a beautiful thing to behold and so long as it can be deciphered who really cares.
http://allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=1&mid=109042542811963599&num=0
perfect example , haha
this one made my head hurt.
Edited, Wed Jul 21 15:42:38 2004 by Miccah
perfect example , haha
this one made my head hurt.
Edited, Wed Jul 21 15:42:38 2004 by Miccah
I agree with you on the grammar subject..but we are not writing college essays here. I think as long as people use enough grammar so that we understand what is being said then its ok.
BTW last time I checked this was the Main EQ Forum not the OOT forum, next time please post your thoughts in the appropriate forum - have a nice day.
BTW last time I checked this was the Main EQ Forum not the OOT forum, next time please post your thoughts in the appropriate forum - have a nice day.
As good Samatman eloquently stated -
I agree.
Additionaly, there is fundamental education for writing correctly and for writing well. Third grade is the last year in most public schools that teaches Roberts Rules of English. Onging past fourth grade and throughout most of highschool, the teachers do show how to state the theme so the paper reads well allowing the expressed idea to get across to the audience. However, a paper reading well enough to express a point and being correctly structured are two different entities - at least here in the US. As such, most individuals cannot even make a conscious choice, as the fundamental schooling the individual receives stops so early on it is forgotten and never formally reinforced.
This became exceptionally clear when my group of friends expanded to include many Brit's and Germans. The British are intolerable of poor grammar. The Germans are intolerable of poor manners. At the time I was writing user guides for my software, and my good Scottish friend took on the role of editer. Quite an eye opener how much easier the documents are to read when correctly written. During the same period, my good German friend was quite upset with my table manners, and tought the correct method of using a fork and knife.
Using a fork and knife correclty, I can now eat a hamburger in the proper method while stating my arguments in an eloquent manner as to why it is so much more enjoyable using your hands.
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Being illiterate isn't one of the freedoms guaranteed by the constitution; it is (becoming) a personal choice made not by the circumstances outside one's control but by the conscious choice of the individual to not act on his own behalf.
I agree.
Additionaly, there is fundamental education for writing correctly and for writing well. Third grade is the last year in most public schools that teaches Roberts Rules of English. Onging past fourth grade and throughout most of highschool, the teachers do show how to state the theme so the paper reads well allowing the expressed idea to get across to the audience. However, a paper reading well enough to express a point and being correctly structured are two different entities - at least here in the US. As such, most individuals cannot even make a conscious choice, as the fundamental schooling the individual receives stops so early on it is forgotten and never formally reinforced.
This became exceptionally clear when my group of friends expanded to include many Brit's and Germans. The British are intolerable of poor grammar. The Germans are intolerable of poor manners. At the time I was writing user guides for my software, and my good Scottish friend took on the role of editer. Quite an eye opener how much easier the documents are to read when correctly written. During the same period, my good German friend was quite upset with my table manners, and tought the correct method of using a fork and knife.
Using a fork and knife correclty, I can now eat a hamburger in the proper method while stating my arguments in an eloquent manner as to why it is so much more enjoyable using your hands.
What's wrong with bad grammical?
Where's ATIBA with his short-bus logic on grammar? Come on Atiba, calling you out, SUCKAAAA!!!! :D
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What's wrong with bad grammical?
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
Perhaps the title speaks of Grammer Indiana, a small town renowned for its adhesion to proper spelling and punctuation.....
I don't believe you can judge our youth's intelligence by how sloppily they speak online.. I know it is proper to use correct grammar and punctuation on messageboards, but people who don't aren't neccesarily idiots, just lazy. That being said, for many people it's probably true
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