New gay friendly guild!Follow

Everyone is entitled to thier opinion MRcleric, at no point was he abusive or unreasonable in his requests.

I must have missed the point where I accused mr. Floppy of being abusive or unreasonable...

I read the most facinating book the other week. It was called Sodomy and the Pirate Tradition. It was written by some ghey dude, and insisted that about 85% of pirates in the carribean were actually homosexuals. The theory is that English, French and Dutch dudes would rather pound it in the pooper then bone native island chicks and slave women. Crazy huh? Me, I am no sort of butt pirate, however I thought that was a rather facinating theory, and worth sharing with the group since we are STILL on the subject and all. I can not believe what a can of worms this thread opened up. So what if Al the Gay Blade wants to prance around with Peter the Prissy Elf. Who cares?

The point of this post is...well I don't really know. Perhaps it is that gheyity has as much of a place on an EQ discussion board as maybe say...Ghey Pirates. Oh what the hell..I dunno. N/M kk? That suxx0rr iz ghey. Lol wtf! Woot woot and ****.

What does Alice in Wonderland have to do with carpet munchers and rump rangers?

Just a few things.

"lets put it this way there wasnt Adam and steve was there ?"[/b]

I believe there was a movie of this name.. ran a double feature with Oversized Load ( a trucker movie or something. )[b]

"...carpet munchers and rump rangers?"

[b][/b] Although I am very familiar with the term ************** (prefer a smooth surface to work on myself) I have never heard of a rump ranger. Many thanks, you just increased my vocabulary.

Edited, Mon Jul 19 15:47:23 2004 by KrummyButtons

Waahh!? This I have to check.

Edit... Hehe, If you know Grace, chances are she said door knob regardless of the book. I will listen very carefully when I get home and report.

Edited, Mon Jul 19 21:24:27 2004 by Iluien

Not to burst your bubble, but it is quite natural.

Please forgive that this is only one article. I only grabbed the first item returned from a search of "homosexual animal kingdom".

http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/Swissinfo.html?siteSect=511&sid=1841425

Here is a quick blurb regarding the book mentioned in this article:

"In his new book, Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity (St. Martin's, $40), author Bruce Bagemihl portrays an animal kingdom that embraces a whole spectrum of sexual orientations. From female grizzly bears cooperating their cubs to trysting male lions fending off other envious males, the book paints a complex mosaic that resembles humanity. "

*The preceding portion of this post is simply in response to that quoted above.

As far as this guild's participation, on the server...why does anyone care? If they are not advertising who they are (on the server) then they are bothering no one. And chances are that no one even knows who makes up the base membership.

So far as I can tell (or have seen posted) this is the only forum that it was presented publicly.

Someone made the analogy of "changing the channel...", so click on a different topic. Same effect. No one is forcing you to participate in this thread.

The phrase "that's gay | ghey" and others like it, the use of 'gay' as a pejorative, etc., are very much so and precisely related *directly* to the bigoted attitude which sees homosexuals and homosexuality as inferior, wrong, and synonymous with bad. That's how the use of that idiom got started, regardless of what an individual who uses it intends to convey. It would be flagrantly ignorant, obviously stupid or deliberately deceptive to try to deny that.

I believe that most negative comments in this thread, if subjected to the substitution of terms relating to heterosexuality for those related to homosexuality, would immediately become even more apparently ridiculous:


I'd like to see if most heterosexuals, particularly men and boys who play this game, *could* keep their heterosexuality to themselves. I don't think they could do it. I know I couldn't do it. It's in everything I've ever said to someone who was (even just apparently) of the opposite sex, casual conversation and short references to Real Life, etc. without any special effort to 'share'.

I'm in a guild made largely though not entirely of grownups, and of those representing the full spectrum of affectional preferences and *we do not* have any bigoted little homophobes going on and on and on and on about how this is gay, that is ghey, or 'u ******'. I like it that way. We all like it that way, even those of us who are steadfastly hetero. (Homophobia is annoying. It's like being around someone who keeps going on about blacks, or Asians, or whites, or women, or men...)

We didn't come to have this kind of guild by setting out to make it gay-friendly, but insisting on adult respect and behaviour had the same consequences. If anyone else wants to duplicate our results, MORE power to them. Since this kind of respect is NOT, unfortunately, the norm for social behaviour, when it is the case it is *well-worth* advertising.

When homophobia, sexism, and other types of bigotry become rare and remarkable, then there will be no need to advertise certain guilds as '___-friendly'.

This really isn't a big deal, for people who are pro or con gay. If you say you are offened by the gay guild then you need some valid reason to be offened and quite frankly I don't see how someone could be offened unless the name of the guild (which is openly displayed) makes some gay reference that makes others uncomfortable.

And the whole RL aspect of it isn't major either, because each person brings RL to EQ everytime they play because thier characters are just extensions of them. You can't take RL out of anything because it all revolves around people and people are RL.

Edited, Tue Jul 20 23:19:11 2004 by Samft

Thanks to Val and Emmo for the reply to my religeous question. It was a legit question, sorry for the delay in this thanks but I've been away.

To move away from religion I'll state my views on homosexuality if I may. (Afterall I get to read your posts)

Sex (of all kinds) is a subject I consider sensitive to some ears and therefore not appropriate. Follow me so far?

If you are gay, your only difference to me is the type of sex you have. (Because two people of the same sex can hold hands, buy curtains etc and are not gay. ie. I could do that everyday and then go home to my wife.)

Therefore, the only thing about being gay that is at all worth comment is the sex, surely.

In which case keep it out of mainstream everyday life and reserve it for adults and sensible talks with kids as an education not a titilation.

Ie no need to label it, discuss it constantly or have it as a permanent point of reference and discusion.

Obviously this is only my opinion, and I have to temper it slightly when considering what someone once told me.

A minority group 'going on' about their 'lifestyle, religion, race' or whatever is a classic sign of a minority group. He put it better than I, but what he meant was because they are a minority group they have to go on about it, until it becomes accepted as the norm.

So until then, ummmmmm, I don't know what. I just wish I could speak to a gay person about something other than being gay.

please make it stop.....
can an admin please lock this thread...
/em passes stick around so everyone can beat a dead horse.

It amazes me people say this.. I don't think I have played this game for more then 3 hours without seeing a gay joke or someone referring to something they didn't like as "being so gay"

Good luck with the guild. At least you won't have to worry about some immature geek trying to be funny in guild chat by saying something about gays.

I played on both blue servers and role playing servers and there is always RL chat going on. Yet people say this doesn't go on. Are we playing the same game?