New gay friendly guild!Follow

Yanari, I think sarcasm gets lost in translation all too often on this bored...

this wouldn't happen because insensitive herberts like yourself wouldn't be allowed in 8=)

Don't worry, everyone who complains about the guilds formation would probably cry racial discrimination against an erudite only guild.

Yeah, maybe Bush can work to get the EULA amended to stop that sort of thing

I can only agree on that. Online behaviour can sound a lot more confusing than RL issues even to us grown ups - and I have heard a lot more bizzar conversations in Norrath than here on earth ;)

PS:besides that quote gave me a big chuckle :)

Tehom, you're old, don't play video games. And I'm always right, and can hold my own on ANY argument that "Grown-ups" have. I am just as, if not MORE, knowledgable on most subjects then most:). Up all's who think of me as lesser for being younger, to hell with you:)

Name one thing that I've said that you could apply the word "Ignorant", and what makes me an Asshat? You're a lame ********* and you should be shot for hiding behind a computer:). I may be immature, but do NOT say that I'm Ignorant or anything of the like. You're a prick who's probably 30 years old and plays a damn video game and has the nerve to pick on younger kids. And I had no problem with "repressed", apparently they did, he used it incorrectly. I'm right, you're wrong.

Edited, Wed Jul 14 20:45:22 2004 by Kensi

the "rest of us" don't shut up when it comes to personal matters.

in the past week I have heard the following from guildies and people I have grouped with.

*Need to go and take the kids to school
*My wife needs to use the computer to do the bills.
*Got to go dinner is ready and my mom is calling
*I really need to go, I have to finish this project, can we do the split now.
*Sorry guys I can't stay any longer, I have work in the morning and need to get out.
*My brother is over in Iraq right now, I'm playing on his account till he gets back.

Guess what, ever single one of those is a "personal matter". The guild is just going to be based on a bunch of people who may have similar "personal matters".

This guilds existance does nothing more than make it so they feel comfortable saying "my boyfriend needs my help" when they know the person playing is a guy.

And if they've been around for 3 years so far and the EQ world hasn't fallen apart yet, I'm sure its not going to because they branched off to another server.

Well said, Iluien.

But I still don't know what the door knob said.

Most of you lot are probably all asleep right now, so I'd like to make a post that will relight your flames and keep this going. Hmmm, well I'm bored at work and it gives me something to read. Heh. So what can I add to the mix to up the ante? We've had enough of Angry Teen etc, so lets add something different.

Religion - Now excuse me please, I'm not trying to hijack the thread, although it must be near it's end surely, but this is somewhat a serious question. Unlike every other person in the world I can not make the claim, I have lots of gay friends, or maybe I have and just don't know. So assuming there are plenty of gay people reading this thread and some of them must be religeous by proportion. Can I have any serious responses to this poser, cos I just don't know.

If homosexualality is wrong according to the bible then the Christian faith will surely suffer as the world becomes more tolerant, to the point where it may end completely.
Or the church changes it's view to be more tolerant and so continue to recruit and maintain a church in which case it makes all it's rules look invalid as they change 'em to suit. In which case the christian faith suffers to the point where it may end completely.

Get my drift? So what's the answer?

Serious question, what you think?

(Maybe I should have started a new thread but hey you got me thinking.)

OK...I'll bite on this even though I may find myself doused in gasoline and set on fire. I'm going out on a limb to help answer your question.

Being gay (and also having a gay brother) growing up in a fairly strong catholic family this issue certainly has been raised more than a couple of times. I went to a catholic high school for 2 years before the family moved to another city and attended a public school. Religious education was mandatory, which I found to be quite an enjoyable subject. I remember quite clearly from our coursework being taught to read the bible in the historical context of the times and customs of the author, instead of just looking at the literal interpretation.

Having a minor in German I also realized quite early how difficult it is sometimes to translate literary works from one language to another. There are often words or phrases that don't quite translate one-to-one from one language to another. In music the entire development of the church modes was created from a misinterpretation of the ancient Greek scales. Sometimes these misinterpretations are minor...sometime not. For example, there currently is an argument in the translation of the original text from Hebrew to Greek to Latin to German to English where Joseph’s profession may have been a stone mason instead of a carpenter (note I'm being overly broad here since I'm aware that many books were written in languages other than Hebrew). When reading the bible I am always wary of possible translation errors.

OK...so where am I going with all of this. If we were to take a literal translation from the bible, the first question to be raised is which bible? There are multiple versions out there with some bibles (such as the Ethiopian and Mormon) that have additional books not found in other bibles. Other religious texts, such as the Koran, have books that were once in the bible but then later removed. We see references to these missing books all the time, especially the war of the angels and the fall of Satan (for which the majority of the story is in a missing book) There are also differences in bibles between the different sects of Christianity (Catholic, Protestant, Baptist, etc...). If I were to advocate reading from a literal standpoint my first problem would be determining which bible is the closest to the original untranslated text. As you can see I’m not a big advocate on reading the bible literally word for word.

Reading the bible from a historical perspective it should be understood that many of the “sins” or kosher requirements outlined in the early to mid text were created for more or less as a handbook of societal healthcare. Many pages were spent to the curing and processing of meat, which done incorrectly was deemed as a sin. The ancient societies didn’t know about trichinosis or bacterial food poisoning, but they did understand that if certain precautions were taken there was less chance at becoming sick. They didn’t understand the why these worked…they just knew that they did. These “best practices” to avoid sickness where then deemed to be holy. These practices should be followed in order to help benefit society.

If we look at the aspect of homosexuality from an ancient culture standpoint one question we must ask ourselves – who was the author trying to protect and from what? Many of the cleanliness and food preparation tenants are easy to understand and see the direct societal value – less people getting hard to cure diseases? But how does society benefit from “a man laying down with another man?” Again we have to look at history and the culture.

In ancient roman times (and earlier) it was common to find prostitution rings catering to the needs of the lonely soldier. Some degrees of homosexuality were openly accepted within the roman legions, and you could purchase a boy or man to spend the night with just as well as a woman. Many male boys were kept into slavery and forced to sit on pipes in the middle of the city square. A very barbaric practice but unfortunately fairly common.

I would interpret many of the statements against homosexuality to be against the practice of the prostitution ring and the diseases found within them. The religious tenants had zero tolerance for prostitution (the world’s oldest profession for both men and women). My interpretation is the religious laws were coded with this in mind.

I can appreciate your point but bringing RL issues into the game isnt a good idea. The best part of eq is people coming together and having fun regardless of any RL circumstance. By creating an all gey guild or a Jewish guild or a Young Republicans guild all you do is ensure that all these issues spill into the game. Personally i like the game best when these issues are left in the real worls.