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#52 Jul 13 2004 at 10:51 AM Rating: Decent
This reminds me of a old thread I made....

Anyways...
#53 Jul 13 2004 at 10:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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if this were a post about starting a heterosexual guild, then what would your respnse be to this?
I'd ask you why you're bothering since basicly all the guilds in the game are filled with mostly heterosexual people.

Let me ask, do you complain this much about the great many female oriented guilds in game? There's a lot of guilds based solely on player gender which has as much bearing on the game as sexuality does. Are they necessary? Not in the grand scheme of things, though I assume the people in them find value in it. Do they hurt anything? No, not really.
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#54 Jul 13 2004 at 11:00 AM Rating: Decent
By the way..where is this Kumael that has started this thread?
i would like to know how this guild is going. we are flaming each other over his topic and he hasnt responded since starting this thread.
#55 Jul 13 2004 at 11:06 AM Rating: Decent
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Are they necessary? Not in the grand scheme of things, though I assume the people in them find value in it. Do they hurt anything? No, not really.


i agree they arent hurting anything.i also agree they arent necessary. the point i am trying to make is the necessity of this at all. i just think this will be the start of something rediculous. look at this post alone.

you think in game will be any better when they recruit in pok?

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I would like to introduce a new guild catering to gay, lesbian, bisexual players and our friends. Although not exclusively for gay players~ we welcome all to come join. Come be a part of the revolution!


PST to Kumael.
#56 Jul 13 2004 at 11:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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In respects to the underage children in EQ. I sure hope the parents interact and stay involved in anything a child does online. If not shame on the parents. I for one am not here to babysit anothers child. My child is EQ and I know what he does, who he is doing it with and where he is at.

I recently had to explain EQ marriages. Trust me that was much harder than explaining homosexuality to him. He knows what that is, he wakes up in our world everyday like the rest of us do.
#57 Jul 13 2004 at 11:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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Reading the guild's website it has been around since 2003 on the Luclin server. This isn't a brand new guild, but has been around for some time (assuming that 5 years in games-terms is ancient history). For those actively on the Luclin server for 2+ years...have you actually seen this guild before? Have you ever grouped with them before?

On a side note I would 100% with Josette that a good guild always monitors the actions of their members, with even more attention being given to younger guild members. My main guild on the Mith Marr server is strongly considering requiring all members 16 and younger to register the name of their parent's characters (noting that quite a few families play the game) as part of acceptance. This gives the guild officers a chance to address any behavioral problems with the parent - in lieu of outright banning. The concept is to work with the younger members and help them understand good EQ etiquette, and part of this is stripping the anonymity by being able to work with the parents. So far this “beta-policy” has worked extremely well.
#58 Jul 13 2004 at 11:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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you think in game will be any better when they recruit in pok?
Who says they will? I don't know about your guild (if you're guilded) but the vast majority of guilds recruit via word of mouth, referral or perhaps, in special cases, in a medium like this where they figure their guild is fairly unique and has a game-wide appeal.

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look at this post alone
Exactly. If people looked at it and said "Huh.. not for me, but whatever" instead of wringing their hands and wailing about it, we wouldn't have these issues Smiley: wink

Are you saying there shouldn't be a gay oriented guild just because it might upset people who refuse to just let it roll off them? I don't think the issue lies with the gay guild in that case.
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#59 Jul 13 2004 at 11:38 AM Rating: Decent
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the point i am trying to make is the necessity of this at all.
#60 Jul 13 2004 at 11:51 AM Rating: Good
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It's exactly no more or less necessary than gender oriented guilds, politically oriented guilds, age oriented guilds, "mature" oriented guilds, regionally oriented guilds, roleplay oriented guilds, etc.

In each case, it's a collection of people who joined together under a common idea on how they wanted to play Everquest.

Edit: I do find it hilarious that someone's knickers are in such a tight twist over this that they're trying to Karma bomb the entire thread Smiley: lol

Edited, Tue Jul 13 12:53:19 2004 by Jophiel
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#61 Jul 13 2004 at 11:53 AM Rating: Good
While far removed from the world of EQ, MLK's marches and demonstrations were seen by many as just a way to start trouble and incite riots. Obviously now, we realize that these demonstrations were necessary; not only to make the uninformed people, but the bigots and racists aware of something they had chose to ignore for many years.

While not the giant leap that MLK's marches were, this new LGBT-friendly guild has the same spirit. To hopefully open the eyes of closeminded people who have long ignored the LGBT lifestyle, either through non-exposure or their own choice, and tell them that homosexual's DO exist and that they are PEOPLE with the same likes and dislikes of heterosexual people; be that foods, work, love and yes....even Everquest.

I applaud all those involved with this guild and wish you the best.
#62 Jul 13 2004 at 12:02 PM Rating: Good
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Tallon Zek
Team based server based on race selection.

Vallon Zek
Team based server based on race selection.

Sullon Zek
Team based server based on Deity selection.


All three servers are PVP based on killing for the sole reason of either race or deity. Perhaps Sony should be monitored to huh?

#63 Jul 13 2004 at 12:07 PM Rating: Good
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Hey Val...

My son moved to MM...he is in a great guild even if I did have to explain the EQ marriage. From all I have seen good people and extremely respectful of him and his age. Not sure which guild your in but the one he is in so far meets what I would expect if I were with him.
#64 Jul 13 2004 at 12:11 PM Rating: Decent
Thats a nice speech Surtanz but there is no one treating them any differently. they arent starting a guild to stop from being persecuted or treated unfairly. they are just getting a homosexual guild going. to each their own, you can read my other posts to see how i feel about this. this thread is going to far and i stop here. now its moving into the bounds if idiocy. there is no more need to start a gay guild as there is to start an all african american guild or all white guild or all mexican guild. just not a necessary thing.


i dont care enough about karma to do anything with it.

Edited, Tue Jul 13 13:13:32 2004 by Miccah
#65 Jul 13 2004 at 12:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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the point i am trying to make is the necessity of this at all.


Necessary? I guess that would go along the lines of what exactly is a guild, and why do we as players feel we need to organize ourselves. The basic reasons most people join a guild are mostly designed around the tenants of the game:

1) EQ is a MMPORG. VI has designed the game around gaining more experience through group activity over solo activity. Many classes can not function at all without grouping, while other classes can effectively solo in the beginning but are forced to group later on down the road.

2) Many quests can only be achieved via the assistance of other members.

3) Players join a guild in order to assist in the process of forming groups. Guilds offer a charter of known members in which to select group members from.

4) A well organized guild will develop a knowledge repository (written or oral) of which new members can take advantage of. This game knowledge via mentors becomes crucial for efficient leveling.


Ancillary to these core points I would also add:

1)Guilds offer people a sense of familiarity and belonging. After being in a guild for a while you begin to know the other members and foster friendships. We seek to group with people we know well (and know their play style) over people we’ve just met.

2) Guilds offer the opportunity to take on high level challenges (raids) that can only be accomplished through coordinated efforts of several groups.

3) Guilds allow social interaction with people across the globe, with behavior confined to guild defined rules. These guild defined rules and charter help formulate the character of a guild. No two guilds are alike, simply because their by-laws and charters are different.

Although the formation of this guild would not be necessary from the core requirements that define guilds, I believe the ancillary requirements would be easily met.
#66 Jul 13 2004 at 12:17 PM Rating: Decent
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While possibly a mute point. Would be easier to say "I support it" or "I think it's a bad idea" and let it go? It seems that one small announcment about an idea to make a guild where no one has to hide behind those well crafted polygon breast and can be honest about who they are and recieve the same acceptance. I don't see why this should have sparked such and argument. Make your post about hey good luck and god speed or man your doomed to fail and move on. The game will play out his success or failure. Just let him follow his goal.
#67 Jul 13 2004 at 12:17 PM Rating: Good
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Hey Val...

My son moved to MM...he is in a great guild even if I did have to explain the EQ marriage. From all I have seen good people and extremely respectful of him and his age. Not sure which guild your in but the one he is in so far meets what I would expect if I were with him.


The guild my main (and 2 alts) are in is Knights of Marr. It is one of the oldest and most respected guilds on the server. The guild takes great pride in its reputation and how other people on the server percieve its members.
#68 Jul 13 2004 at 12:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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there is no more need to start a gay guild as there is to start an all african american guild or all white guild or all mexican guild
...or an all female guild, or an all age 21+ guild, or an all Allakhazam posters guild or an all...

I didn't think you were Karma bombing. Someone was hitting both pro- and con- threads. My karma ain't moving at ~9.5k posts so I don't care... I just thought it was funny that someone is on a cute little crusade Smiley: grin
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#69 Jul 13 2004 at 1:36 PM Rating: Default
What is the name of this new guild?

The Teabaging Wagon?
#70 Jul 13 2004 at 2:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Am I "flaunting" my literacy if I go to a book club? Am I "flaunting" my political stance if I go to a rally? Am I "flaunting" my religion if I go to church?
Yes. Yes you are.

We've all talked it over and would like you to stop it. Smiley: wink2
#71 Jul 13 2004 at 2:19 PM Rating: Good
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Yes, ma'am... Smiley: frown
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#72 Jul 13 2004 at 2:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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I would like to add my support, and hope that your guild is successful.

I would also point out a couple pieces of minutia...

"Miccah" wrote:
Thats a nice speech Surtanz but there is no one treating them any differently. they arent starting a guild to stop from being persecuted or treated unfairly. they are just getting a homosexual guild going.


Miccah, you either overlooked this post, or have decided that it is not true, and your opinion of how things are - on all EQ servers - is the right opinion.

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Templum Amicitia is the result of the growing homophobia and hatred that is ever present within EverQuest. We provide a positive atmosphere and a support network of like-minded peers and allies. Where you are free to be yourself without the fear of ridicule or backlash.


Just from reading some of the "against" posts, I would have to say that some of the GLBT players are probably receiveing ridicule, or backlash. Maybe not from you, but from somebody, and enough somebodies that they felt the need to create a place where they can interact without having to listen to others deride their lifestyle.

DISCLAIMER -- (The following two paragraphs are generalized statements, and are not directed at any one poster. Please do not read any names into these statements.)

Many of us live where we can speak our mind, for or against, but it does boil down to this: You don't have to like the guild, or dislike the guild. Just accept the guild. Don't like it on your server? There are plenty more. The guild's on all the servers? I'm sure there's another game, out there, you can play.

I can not believe that the existance of this guild will, without direct action on your part, affect your level of enjoyment of EQ. So why can't you simply accept what they want to do and go on your merry way?
#73 Jul 13 2004 at 2:40 PM Rating: Good
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Just as a Luclinite to answer a couple of the comments...

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Reading the guild's website it has been around since 2003 on the Luclin server. This isn't a brand new guild, but has been around for some time (assuming that 5 years in games-terms is ancient history). For those actively on the Luclin server for 2+ years...have you actually seen this guild before? Have you ever grouped with them before?


Been on Luclin for almost 3 years now. I do remember when they first started and were recruiting in PoK. Comments were quite unexpectedly mild. Only a couple of the known idiots around were saying anything, but wasn't any sort of flame fest.

They are just like any other guild around. Small family type that you don't particularly notice (much like my own). Seemingly good people (from the little contact I've had with them). Nothing too special really. They don't announce their preferences or anything, so it's not something you see or think of at all. They're just another guild of friends. /shrug
#74 Jul 13 2004 at 2:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Miccah, you either overlooked this post, or have decided that it is not true, and your opinion of how things are - on all EQ servers - is the right opinion.


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Templum Amicitia is the result of the growing homophobia and hatred that is ever present within EverQuest. We provide a positive atmosphere and a support network of like-minded peers and allies. Where you are free to be yourself without the fear of ridicule or backlash.
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actually i did read that post and did overlook it , albeit not on purpose. my views and ideas are based on what i have seen on the 4 servers i have played since june of 1999. i have never heard, on any server, anything that ridicules anyone for their sexual preferences. maybe there are servers out there were this is a problem i dont know. again more power to the people in this guild if they feel this way.

i wish people didnt have to be so ignorant and close minded that there needed to be guilds setup for just certain groups of people. and i dont think there should have to be these issues in a video game. but such is the way of life i suppose...
#75 Jul 13 2004 at 2:49 PM Rating: Decent
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i have not heard anyone refer to someones sexual preferences in game, this is going to start that fire.


Wow, you obviously haven't been playing EQ very long then >;)

Either that, or you lead a sad, sad game life.

In other news, I just drank the rest of my Route 44 cherry limeaid :(

Edit -- Woot for me replying to an old-*** post, and not seeing the link for the next page! C'mon Mr. Slave, we're outta here.


Edited, Tue Jul 13 15:51:12 2004 by emperorjeremy
#76 Jul 13 2004 at 2:57 PM Rating: Decent
Talk about a flamer of a subject. Enough is enough though, this **** is gettin pretty ghey...
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