Ranger problemsFollow

Thanks Gladestrider. Much appreciated.


Edited, Sat Jul 10 21:28:49 2004 by neverdone

22 posts and already neverdon has followers...if only we were all so lucky.

Testify!

Have the rangers finaly found a messiaha?

I (62 Ranger)was wandering around FV the other day, had <> 4800 HP, 1250 AC 1300 Attack, a 12/17 and a 14/21 equipped.

Spotted the Necro that hangs out there, down by the river to LoIO and though I would go kick its butt.

I trained the PoK stone like a newbie with 15% health, last I saw of the Necro he still had 90% health.

Now, I didn't use any "science" as I was mightlily overconfident and lazy, just rushed him and tried to beat him down with melee, which as it became plain to see was foolish.

Nevertheless, there are some mighty undercons in the old world/Kunark, not to be taken lightly at all.

But Cobra's first comment is correct, Rangers have all the equipment they need not to have to go toe to toe with out a healer (better still group) support

I'm going to go into quasi-ahole mode for a second here (but I'm really just trying to be helpful. honest! :) ).

I don't know if I'd call Never a "messiah" for rangers. More of a messiah for doing things the hard way. While I may have gotten the wrong impression with your post, I couldn't help but get the feeling that you went well out of your way to solo your entire EQ career.

Can I make the suggestion that had you grouped, it might not have taken 5 years to make level 56? IMHO, the correct response to hitting level 51 and finding that soloing was vastly harder would have been to group with people. Doing so, will also increase your likelyhood of getting into a good guild, and therefore opportunities to raid and get better gear without having to play the bazaar so much. All melee classes start having problems soloing at higher levels, and many of them earlier then rangers. Sometimes, just becuase you *can* do a thing, doesn't mean it's what you should be doing...


Don't get me wrong. The post was inspirational and definately informative. I just kinda got that "doing it, standing up, in a canoe" feel while reading it. There's just a point where the rate of exp gain while soloing becomes so low that you're better off spending 2 hours LFG to get into a group for 1 hour, then spending that whole 3 hours soloing. It's just a numbers game, and the odds say you'll be much better off taking advantage of the fact that EQ is a multiplayer game.

Other then that, the post was excellent though. I'd just really strongly caution players that while knowing how and where you can solo is valuable (knowlege is power after all), post 50, for just about all classes, your *first* choice should be to find a group if you can. Soloing should be the last option to pursue. Rangers are definately desired in groups, so why avoid them if you don't have to?

WA5 is a wonderful (if costly) ability. I proc ALL the time with it. For this reason alone my epic slow (50% - it is reasonable) is reliable. We often form groups where the only slow is ranger proc slow, it is reliable on most rangers with WA5.



Pick a different weapon or get a batter tank. Jolt has many problems, mainly its slight mem blur. I have seen rangers jolt and the mob is mem blured such that aggro is now on the CLERIC and not the main tank (as a heal lands etc). Clerics being beaten because a ranger could not be bothered to control aggro and had to use 'lazy ranger jolt' pisses off healers, CC and .... well me

In fact, I cannot remember the last time I ever had jolt memmed ... Jolt is a last resort, if you balance things well you should never need it

Edited, Tue Jul 13 09:22:14 2004 by JennockFV

Hehe,

The jolt comment was in jest, and I lack the ambition to do the real smilies on here. I tend to tease my rangers about the corpses they leave around the world :p. (Though, despite all my ranger bashing I do on a daily basis, I hate when we don't have one or two around.)

Does Jolt have a blur component? I would guess in that situation, the cleric out aggroed the tank but not the ranger, so when jolt hit it dropped the ranger below the cleric. Only a guess though. I've seen similar stuff when I get tash aggro from a mob, and Boggle it off (similar to jolt) and it jumps on the shammy (slower). Would be interesting (and really bad) if this was the case :(.

Dunno about from a ranger's perspective on jolt really, but I know I'd rather have them use it either a) before they even get aggro or b) after I've taunted off them (this gives me a substantial aggro lead over them post-taunt). That is, if they even bother to use it at all. If they are constantly taking aggro, jolt isn't going to do much.

BUT. This is a bit off topic and I'm just rambling....I retrun you to your regularly scheduled ranger thread.

My Ranger was 35 when I stopped playing due to work and family, but I had the same problem with mobs kicking my tail all over the zone, and having to do corpse runs from several zones away. But that was due to the fact that he was my first character, and I didn't do enough studying before I created him, so my initial stats weren't as up to par as some of the more experienced players of the time. But I do believe that snaring and bow kiting did get me out of more one sided fights than I care to mention. From Fighting Giants in FM to Gnolls and Aviaks in SK. So yeah, soloing with a Ranger can be tedious but at least your playing, and if you're one who likes to group, then, there are or were quite a few people who enjoyed the extra help a Ranger can offer, whether it's taunting off of the main tank, or assisting the healer. albeit your heal spells aren't all that great, they can make the difference between total annihilation of your group or giving yer tank those precious few HP's he needs while your main healer and casters are medding. Then it's back into the fray, Dual wielding, double attacking, kicking, snaring, and all the fun stuff to add damage, not to mention your ability to track that hard to find mob, that your group was camping before you joined them, or to warn them if Grimfeather's in the vicinity, so that you can either hightail it out of his way, or take your chances and stand and fight.
Well with that said, I'm going to take my ramblings elsewhere, and hope I have expressed my feelings on rangers.

in regards to cafeenoftheazurestorm post ....

jolt reduces u on hate list for 500 points, then the is jolting blades giving u a hate reducing proc (200 points)on melee weaps en cinder jolt (basically a different resist jolt)
jolt is MR cinder jolt FR.

jolt will never cause u to have 0 aggro, but it can be very usefull. with a warrior as tank (with new discs it doesnt matter as much anymore) u as ranger will out dps the warrior with ease and u can get aggro over him pretty fast as well. oke he tuants to hold aggro but more then a few groups i needed jolt to keep the aggro from me. basically in xp groups have jolt memmed all the time. though i can give u less aggro as the healer, so use it on a when needed basis. casting it reduces your dps as u are casting and not fighting. so all in all use it but only as often as to keep u aggro free.

and cheers never great post i cant say anything else



Edited, Thu Jul 22 02:54:52 2004 by ppmaker