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#1 Jun 21 2004 at 6:36 AM Rating: Decent
What is the best equipment I could twink a n00b halfing ranger with, for ~ 25 kpp ?
#2 Jun 21 2004 at 6:44 AM Rating: Excellent
Ceremonial Iksar Breastplate

Lamentation

Lupine Dagger

Crystal Chitin Armplates

Nightmarewood compound bow


That should be a good start, all sell for a few k each on FV and privide a good start for a twink. No idea about other servers prices but I can only base on my own experience Smiley: smile

The ikky bp will provide you with excellent self regen, useful and noticeable to level 25 or so. The ikky bp provides you with self PL Smiley: wink

The lammy and lupine dagger will grow with you. Both improving over time, once level 45 the lupine will provide you with free wolfform BEFORE you gain the spell.
The arms are simply great for newbies.
The bow will grow with you and never be a poor option.

Smiley: blush just noticed nightwood is 46 only bow .. hmm, let me think of another ..

Rain Caller

You can complete the trueshot and then the rain caller quests yourself with your main if you like for this one :)



Edited, Mon Jun 21 07:53:05 2004 by JennockFV
#3 Jun 21 2004 at 10:13 AM Rating: Good
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Head to the bazaar, look for items that will increase your dex, AC or HP. The differences from server to server of available equipment and at what price makes it hard to give a hard and fast recommendation.

Besides, making sure temp is cast on you at all times will be a bigger boost than all your armor put together.

For weapons try to get low delay to help with your skills.

Edited, Mon Jun 21 11:18:44 2004 by danreynolds
#4 Jun 21 2004 at 10:19 AM Rating: Excellent
Um, because I am level 65, have been for longer than I can remember and do not worry about such things Smiley: tongue

The ikky bp is an item I have farmed for friends and guildies specifically to PL alts. The weapons are useable. it is only the bow.

Go away troll, how about suggesting something for him and not criticising?



Edited, Mon Jun 21 11:20:18 2004 by JennockFV
#5 Jun 21 2004 at 10:36 AM Rating: Good
You can get some of my pieces, for that amount. I think Jennock has been level 65 for too long. Lamentation????? There are better, cheaper, higher ratio'd weapons out there than that. Make sure you have your Lupine Dagger before you hit level 45 though that thing rocks, just for the buff, I equip it on my first fight till is procs then switch to my Swiftblade of Zek.


Elder Wolf Hide
Guard Captains Mallet
Jagged Blade of Morning
Silver Chitin Wristbands
Shissar Scale headband
Acrylic Chainmail
Velium Fire Wedding rings
Earring of Solitice (quest) but an easy one
Cougar claw Earring (Mana conservation for snare)
Crystal Spider Eyes
Clattering Bone Necklace
Silver Chitin Handwraps
Barbed Dragonscale boots
Lodizal Shell boots
Cloak of the Maelstrom
Brown Chitin Leggings

And for containers I like these
Deluxe Toolbox

Furthermore if you run out of money you can look for some of this stuff on these to magelos as it is mostly good cheap gear.

http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=900489
http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=865333



That will cost you at least 25k. And almost none of this stuff is level restricted, so you will get full use right from level 1.





Edited, Mon Jun 21 21:49:20 2004 by Reinman
#6 Jun 21 2004 at 10:39 AM Rating: Good
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danreynolds wrote:
Head to the bazaar, look for items that will increase your dex, AC or HP. The differences from server to server of available equipment and at what price makes it hard to give a hard and fast recommendation.

Besides, making sure temp is cast on you at all times will be a bigger boost than all your armor put together.


I THOUGHT I had given him advice...

I'm sorry if I'm going to do something stupid like READ the question and take into consideration people's level before giving advice.
#7 Jun 21 2004 at 12:16 PM Rating: Good
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I'm sorry if I'm going to do something stupid like READ the question and take into consideration people's level before giving advice.

Your point is well taken. Thank you for proving that you are one of a thousand people daily who logs in to this particular forum posessing no sense of humor what so ever. What was the thought process? "OMGz0rs!!111one She took a shot at me!! I must say something now, or my e-peen will shrink even further in to my abdomen!!!"

Any advice you can give that doesn't start out wrong? DEX is not important on a L1 twink. It won't be until quite a bit later. You don't think a ranger twink will need STR and STA more than DEX? They will be asked to tank groups until they get in to their 50s.

No specific recommendations at all? How about 2 Velium Fire Wedding Rings? Those are 6 AC/65 HP and they are ubiquitous. Hell, I kept mine till I got my Valorium Rings of Gallantry. Hell, even full barbed ringmail would cost less than 10k and last 30 levels.

The reason you were told to offer some advice next time is that you threw out nothing of value, and potentially misleading information. Not everything is a shot at you. Sometimes it's just a suggestion to not be a freakin monkey. (That was a shot, by the way, just in case you missed it.)
#8 Jun 21 2004 at 1:07 PM Rating: Good
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Okay, since you've decided to defend someone taking a blatent shot at someone for trying to be helpful, why don't YOU try showing me where in my original post I was criticizing the OP???

As far as my recommendations. I recommended AC and HP items BECAUSE I understand that rangers are often expected to tank. I also understand that it has been shown time and time again that STR has very little to do with damage output. I recommended DEX because it helps with any processes that the OP might be using, as well as helping with skill increases.

As far as your sta recommendation...at level one a ranger is going to be getting at best 1HP per point of sta. So do you still think that STA is a good choice for him over HP items?

Yes, I could have just given him a list of items to buy, but I don't know what server he plays on, what the economy of that unknown server is, and since when is pointing someone in a direction, and saying, "do the work for yourself" a bad thing or a criticism?

Also, I'd like you to SHOW me the humor in Jennock's reply to my post please. Maybe I am hard headed, but I fail to see it...

Edited, Mon Jun 21 14:08:21 2004 by danreynolds
#9 Jun 21 2004 at 1:40 PM Rating: Decent
Your original post did not criticize. Your second post was laden with sarcasm in an attempt to slam someone who obviously know more of which they speak than you. That is what I was referring to.

You recommend AC and HP items. LIke what? No kidding AC & HP. It's a dime a dozen. Any idea what would be cost effective? As I said, some things are ubiquitous, regardless of the economy they are still economical.

As to strength being shown to not increase damage, STR increases attack. If ATK does not increase DPS then why is it so important in parse numbers? Hmm? Thanks.

And STA not being important? Yeah, I can see this. It's not like it scales or anything. What, you can't find gear with STA and HPs on it?

Given the size and proc rate of L1 procs, extra dex is going to be far less effective than STA or STR. Enough so that the phrase "Don't worry about it until you're over 50" comes to mind. Group with a shaman and let them buff you.

"Do your own work" is an easy way to say "I dunno, but I wanna sound smart and useful."

As to the humor, I believe it was the smiley face sticking its tongue out at you that should have been your first clue that all is not aimed at your head. My comment on your sense of humor is more directed at you being unable to shrug off someone not even swinging at you. I would suggest reading for a while, not posting. You will seem less uptight.

That should do it for now. Anything else?
#10 Jun 21 2004 at 7:25 PM Rating: Good
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Okay, let's see...If someone attacks me, I need to keep my mouth shut and accept the correction of my "betters"(How you come by the attitude that jennock knows more than me is pretty unclear though. Higher rating perhaps?) and keep my mouth shut.

However, if I attack someone, then instead of letting my "better" correct me, a third party (that would be YOU), can jump into it, call me unknowledgable and then proceed to tell me to shut up and take it?

Sorry, I don't take to the "yessir masta" crap too well.

As far as your suggestions...do YOU know what server the OP is playing on? Do YOU know the cost of items there? No, none of us do. For all we know iksar BP could be selling for 15-20K. Let's look at what would happen if that were the case.

The OP would go through the list, buying the specific items suggested, without any COMPARISON whatsoever. He would finish this list of 4 or 5 items having spent up to 20K or more. That leaves him with all of 5k or so to buy the rest of his 25-30 items. One of those four or five items even being a weapon that doesn't process till level 45(Which would be the same as telling a level one paladin to spend the cash to get a deepwater helm, or telling a level one druid to spend the money getting elder spiritist vambraces. Will they help? Eventually, but there are better ways to spend the cash at level 1)

What part of "DEX affects skill advancements" DON'T you understand??? If you've got 25k to spend on gear for a level 1 character odds are you're going to have to good weapons(which are FAR more important in determining your melee damage at low levels than ANYTHING else) and probably going to have a way to powerlevel yourself. In that situation, skill increases ARE more important than the 1 HP(possibly less) per STA that you're getting.

If you don't agree, fine. Post your own opinion. That way the OP will have several different pieces of advice to follow. Just to come in purely to attack me, when I was DEFENDING myself from what wasn't even(by your own admission) a criticism of my advice, but a personal attack(no matter how humorous you found it) is just plain stupid. And how you come to the conclusion that jennock knows more than me is incredible, considering he/she not only recommended buying a dagger that won't process till level 45, and a breastplate that has been generally known to be very overpriced for years, a weapon that clearly there are much better alternatives to now, but also initially a bow that CANNOT even be used till level 46!

And I'm not sure what dialect of English you're speaking, but if I had wanted to sound smart and useful despite not knowing anything, I would have taken what jennock said and changed the wording enough to make it seem like an original idea. THAT would be an example of trying to sound smart and useful when you don't know something.
#11 Jun 21 2004 at 7:48 PM Rating: Decent
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If someone attacks me, I need to keep my mouth shut and accept the correction of my "betters"(


This would have been sufficient!

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How you come by the attitude that jennock knows more than me is pretty unclear though


It's called track record. Look at Jennock character, this is not the toon of an idiot.

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However, if I attack someone, then instead of letting my "better" correct me, a third party (that would be YOU), can jump into it, call me unknowledgable and then proceed to tell me to shut up and take it?


Now your catching on.

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You recommend AC and HP items. LIke what? No kidding AC & HP. It's a dime a dozen. Any idea what would be cost effective? As I said, some things are ubiquitous, regardless of the economy they are still economical.

As to strength being shown to not increase damage, STR increases attack. If ATK does not increase DPS then why is it so important in parse numbers? Hmm? Thanks.

And STA not being important? Yeah, I can see this. It's not like it scales or anything. What, you can't find gear with STA and HPs on it?

Given the size and proc rate of L1 procs, extra dex is going to be far less effective than STA or STR. Enough so that the phrase "Don't worry about it until you're over 50" comes to mind. Group with a shaman and let them buff you.


/agree with all of this. And to further this I have done exactly that, so check out some of the above pieces you should be able to buy at least 70% of that list with 25k, maybe all of it depending on your server.

I would suggest buying at least this quality of gear and then if you put some Ry'gorr level stuff to feel in the rest of the slots, so be it. Then you know where your obvious upgrades are. Either my or Moebius's magelos will give you ideas for later.

#12 Jun 21 2004 at 8:09 PM Rating: Good
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Prove to me jennock is a better and not only will I shut up, but I'll even apologize.

This list however doesn't do that. A breastplate that is overpriced, one weapon that won't process until level 45, another weapon that YOU YOURSELF said wasn't the best choice, and a bow that CANNOT be equipped till level 46...

That's the list of someone who knows what they're talking about?

The fact that you two are posting to attack me, when I was the one initially attacked, I was just defending myself, shows me that it's not about someone knowing more than me, it's about me not having a post count over 1,000, or my name not being green or red. I'm not "part of the club", jennock is, so you attack me, and ignore what started all this.

Sorry if I'm not the type of person who's going to be in awe of someone because of meaningless post counts or rating.

The number of times you've posted on this board and the ratings of those posts have no bearing on your knowledge of the game, nor are they any indication of your knowledge of the game.

I'm sorry if the two of you have that little self confidence that you have to try lording yourselves over someone else over a game, but honestly, that's your problem, not mine.
#13 Jun 21 2004 at 8:28 PM Rating: Decent
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or my name not being green or red.


Now you have figured it out. Jennock is red, I am green therefore, I am her *****. However, I am Green and you are blue, and the pattern continues and you are my *****. Moe and I are both green, so we can square off whenever we chose. But not supporting the system will get you attacked by everyone. You need to change your opinion to match those of your betters. You can add a modifier to your betters comment, but you are not allowed to disagree. Can you live with that?

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I think Jennock has been level 65 for too long. Lamentation????? There are better, cheaper, higher ratio'd weapons out there than that.


I included this in my origianl quote, and to be quite frank, it was probably over the line. However, notice that I never said she was wrong, that is respect. I simply realize that she has been my superior for sooo long that she has forgotten what it is, to be a peasant, and quite understandably so.

Anyway, I think I provided the best information of this post so far, and therefore proclaim me to be the winner. I have even decided to link all those items. To pay homage to Jennock.

So get in line, or face the consequences.



Edited, Mon Jun 21 22:18:36 2004 by Reinman
#14 Jun 21 2004 at 8:39 PM Rating: Good
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Ah, so let me get this straight...

If I get my rating to Guru level then this discussion is over in my favor?

I'm going to assume you were trying to be humorous in your last post. If you were serious, I would suggest making an appointment with a qualified psychiatrist to help boost your self worth and self esteem.
#15 Jun 21 2004 at 8:55 PM Rating: Decent
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If I get my rating to Guru level then this discussion is over in my favor?


Correct, Moe and I couldn't say squat to you, but you would still have to deal with Jennock. Red vs. Red

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If you were serious, I would suggest making an appointment with a qualified psychiatrist to help boost your self worth and self esteem.


I am deadly serious, and you are breaking the etiquette of these boards. Remember this...
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I am Green and you are blue, and the pattern continues and you are my *****


Furthermore, my self worth is just fine, I am green, there are many, many people below me.. .like you for instance. I hope you can adhere to our system as it generally keeps the piece around here. The last thing we want around here is endless flame wars.
#16 Jun 21 2004 at 9:48 PM Rating: Good
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Friar Reinman wrote:
[quote] I hope you can adhere to our system as it generally keeps the piece around here. The last thing we want around here is endless flame wars.


Then don't participate in them.
#17 Jun 21 2004 at 9:54 PM Rating: Good
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Then don't participate in them.


Sorry Sir, point taken! Notice he is red. Yikes!!!
#18 Jun 21 2004 at 10:55 PM Rating: Good
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Reinman, you made me giggle with that last one. These EQ trolls are so gullible.

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#19 Jun 21 2004 at 11:10 PM Rating: Good
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Friar Reinman wrote:
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[quote] I hope you can adhere to our system as it generally keeps the piece around here. The last thing we want around here is endless flame wars.
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Then don't participate in them.


Did I really spell peace, piece???? No wonder I am only green.
#20 Jun 22 2004 at 2:05 AM Rating: Excellent
Omg, flame war lol. It is true, I have been 65 for too long, but that does mean I do not PL occasionally. I also did not have all the time in the world to make a post Smiley: smile
When I PL, we tend to make 'PL kits'. We buy one or two good weapons, regen item, clicky DS like an 8th ring. I have never yet fully equipped a new character, they gain items over time.

The Ikky bp is priceless for self PL'ing and has great resell value. You lose nothing by buying one and then re-selling it when you outgrow it. I would never underestimate the usefullness of +5 regen on a brand new character. It is easy to self farm (with a tracker) and if you cannot 2 box, it will cut your downtime in half.
If they are cheap or you have time, buying or questing an 8th coldain ring for self DS is also good Smiley: smile

Reinman gave an excellent list, kudos to you! Smiley: grin

Edited, Tue Jun 22 03:06:37 2004 by JennockFV
#21 Jun 22 2004 at 2:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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Prove to me jennock is a better and not only will I shut up, but I'll even apologize.

This list however doesn't do that. A breastplate that is overpriced, one weapon that won't process until level 45, another weapon that YOU YOURSELF said wasn't the best choice, and a bow that CANNOT be equipped till level 46...


BP is NOT overpriced you troll. It costs 10kpp max on FV server. It is worth that, you use it to level 25/30 and then .. omg ... this will shock you .. YOU RESELL IT! and get your money back. But for levels 1 to 30 or so you have +5 regen which is priceless. Not a waste of money at all. You have no idea what you are talking about. Have you ever PL'd or twinked a new character? I doubt it. I have helped countless new characters, this bp is a staple choice for melee.

One weapon (lupine) that is one of the great ranger toys of all time. 9/18 is not bad at all for a new player and perfectly usable. My point about its proc is that this weapon will not be junk for a long time, even post 46 it has a use. But you would not understand that would you?

Lamentation is a reasonable blade, I have not had a melee twink in so long it was the best my fuzzy memory could come up with. I still maintain it is a good enough weapon for a newbie with a good ratio and good stats.

Bow that cannot be equipped till 46 .. did I not admit that mistake, oh yes .. I did. Smiley: banghead My dear you need reading comprehension classes. I suggested another bow, with a fun proc on it. There will be better out there but it was a suggestion.

Edited, Tue Jun 22 03:18:40 2004 by JennockFV
#22 Jun 22 2004 at 2:26 AM Rating: Good
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Reinman gave an excellent list, kudos to you!


Thanks Maam! Smiley: bowdown

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One weapon (lupine) that is one of the great ranger toys of all time. 9/18 is not bad at all for a new player and perfectly usable.


Actually, with 9 damage you will be fully utilizing this daggers ratio at level 1, so yea I would say it is a good level 1 twink weapon. For the first 20 levels, you really only care about the delay because of the damage cap, and 18 delay is excellent.

So kudos to you too, Jennock! Smiley: yippee

Edited, Tue Jun 22 03:27:47 2004 by Reinman
#23 Jun 22 2004 at 11:44 AM Rating: Good
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Dan,

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That's the list of someone who knows what they're talking about?

The fact that you two are posting to attack me, when I was the one initially attacked, I was just defending myself, shows me that it's not about someone knowing more than me, it's about me not having a post count over 1,000, or my name not being green or red. I'm not "part of the club", jennock is, so you attack me, and ignore what started all this.

Sorry if I'm not the type of person who's going to be in awe of someone because of meaningless post counts or rating.


This has nothing to do with ratings, sparky.

You might argue that Jennock's shopping list is out of date due to the mudflation of many items, but this is easily explained by the amount of time her character is already 65.

Jen and I play together almost daily. We never talk about twink gear; we play on Firiona Vie, so all our focus is on one (well, in her case three) character. We don't roll alts for fun and buy twink kits: we play to improve our mains and our mains only.

Jen knows the class much better than you. Inside and out, with a bucketload of AA's and very nice equipment to back it up.

She gave information; you say it's outdated and that it doesn't show she knows her class. You're very wrong, bud. Now be a good sport and apologize.

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#24 Jun 22 2004 at 12:13 PM Rating: Good
this post is hillarious. someone ***** in someones wheaties.
im going to rant a bit sorry to everyone
/rant on
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BP is NOT overpriced you troll. It costs 10kpp max on FV server.


no i really dont want to get in the middle of the color battle, of who has the best lookoing color, or the most posts. but like dan said it depends on what server you are on. on sullon zek server the bp alone can cost 25k.

now jen has been 65 for a long time and that is all well.

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I have not had a melee twink in so long it was the best my fuzzy memory could come up with.


well if you have a fuzzy memory of twinking melees, and the question is how to twink a melee...i dont need to continue.

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Head to the bazaar, look for items that will increase your dex, AC or HP. The differences from server to server of available equipment and at what price makes it hard to give a hard and fast recommendation.

Besides, making sure temp is cast on you at all times will be a bigger boost than all your armor put together.

For weapons try to get low delay to help with your skills.


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Go away troll, how about suggesting something for him and not criticising?


i am not sure where the critisism is in dan's statement. maybe you disagree with what he says, and that is your opinion, but as far as critisizing i dont see it.

IMO the forums are for questions and not to see who has the biggest balls or see who is smarter than who. but to try to help out.
/rant off

sorry about that i couldn't help myself. now you are welcome to attack me outright because i am blue and you are purple or whatever. lol.

Smiley: king

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Smiley: laugh






Edited, Tue Jun 22 14:58:55 2004 by Miccah
#25 Jun 22 2004 at 1:11 PM Rating: Good
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IMO the forums are for questions and not to see who has the biggest balls or see who is smarter than who.


Lets just say it was, I would have won right? By the way, you will never become Blue or green without learning how to quote people.
#26 Jun 22 2004 at 1:15 PM Rating: Good
LOL
you are right i dont know how to quote so lets try again, lol.

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Lets just say it was, I would have won right? By the way, you will never become Blue or green without learning how to quote people.

did it work?
even though my color here is meaningless to me. lol
and btw yeah friar i think you would have won.Smiley: clap





Edited, Tue Jun 22 14:52:10 2004 by Miccah
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