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I'm a Weak Lil Gnome and I Can't Carry AnythingFollow

#1 May 15 2004 at 4:18 PM Rating: Decent
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I've soloed Rathe Hill Giants and other mobs for plat/loot and I end up being encumbered really quickly...This makes for no fun, as I have to zone or port to a bank and sell and bank my plat, which brings on alot of downtime and makes the whole farming thing less efficient...

It's not so much the loot, but the coin that weighs me down...I finally realized (after going nuts b/c I couldn't drop it on the ground) that I can destroy my copper pieces which helps out, but I still end up weighed down rather quickly (I suppose I could destroy my silver as well)...

I've got a my 10 slot 50% weight reduction bag from LDoN (I had no idea what the "reward" was, I'm so happy that I chose my necro to be the recipient) and a 6 slot 25% archaeologists pack which someone gave to me, but from what I can tell 100% weight reduction bags are very expensive and it would be counterproductive to put my money into those when the purpose is to make plat to begin with...

My str is a dismal 80 something, again, It'd be counterproductive, in a number of ways, to buy str gear for the lil guy...I do often try to get HoS before I leave to farm, but honestly, I'm not ready to leave when that wears off...

When I'm in the mood to make plat, I like to grind it out, usually at odd hours when there aren't that many people on line, and it's a real pain to have to gate out and find a bank, especially when its a considerable run to the zone where I'm farming...

So...Any suggestions as to how to prevent becoming encumbered so quickly? Also, if you have any farming spots that you wish to share (lvl41 necro), I'd appreciate that as well...


Oh, and I forgot, Is there any way to make the coin weight reduced via my wt. reduction bags?

Edited, Sat May 15 17:19:16 2004 by Blacktharne
#2 May 15 2004 at 4:42 PM Rating: Decent
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I have heard of people going to merchants selling the fine steel and other sellables then buying expensive gems. The buy and sell prices on gems to a merchant are pretty close so you barely miss out. Then when you get back to pok or wherever just sell all the gems and bank the platinum. You could also find a mage to summon you a few 10 slot 100% wr bags to hold the fine steel weapons.

Check out:

http://eqatlas.com/rathemtnsmap.html

You should be able to find the merchants in the zone and can even bind next to them to speed up the process, then just run back to pok when you are done.
#3 May 15 2004 at 5:31 PM Rating: Decent
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Getting rid of your copper and silver is a must.

Another thing you can do is send an OOC where you will trade your gold for something under the conversion rate in plat.

Also, you can get frost giant beards in the Great Divide. They drop off of giants. As long as you're over level 35, you can briefly equip it, right click it and increase your STR.

I think one beard has 5 charges. And like the other guys said. Sell FS items to the Rathe vendors.

Edited, Sat May 15 18:31:07 2004 by Ralston
#4 May 15 2004 at 5:39 PM Rating: Decent
another suggestion is if you are at all into tradeskilling
is to get gm at that tradeskill and make your trophy because then you can summon no rent 100wr bags as well as get one that is not no rent


gm'ing a skill and making or buying the stuff to make a trophy is a little expensive so unless you are already interested in tradeskills i wouldnt suggest it but if you are interested in them it is another reason to move forward



ok hopefully my lack of grammar didnt make this too confusing

Edited, Sat May 15 18:38:29 2004 by mkbailey
#5 May 15 2004 at 5:53 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for the suggestions guys, some good things I didn't think of, one thing though about the GMing a tradeskill...

I brew, bake, and make pottery with my necro (smith with my war and tailor with my druid, those are slower as they are more expensive though) and I imagine it would be pretty easy to GM brewing or baking, as both are about 150 atm, and as I recall it isn't that expensive to do and I keep all my foraged items from my ranger and druid, but...

I can only GM one tradeskill per toon, right? So, given that I brew, bake, and pot with my necro (I also have a bunch of words saved up and plan on dumping training points into research, can I GM, research and does it count as my 1 GM tradeskill?) so which would be most wise to GM? My knowledge about upper end tradeskilling is very limited, GM =250 and max for others is 200, is that right?

The idea that I could summon unlimited 100% redux bags is very very appealing, and I would definitely be willing to invest the time (and a limited amount of plat) into creating my "trophy" and could probably get some help from my guild if some of the "trophy" items are tough to get...
#6 May 15 2004 at 6:11 PM Rating: Decent
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Couple of other ideas:

Rallic Pack isn't very hard to do (might be if you're KoS in Katta) and sells for 500pp or so. It is only 85%WR but is 10-slot and holds things up to size Giant.


Also you could try getting a mage to summon their 100% WR bags before you go hunting but you'd have to cash up and empty them before logging.

I believe horses also alleviate much of the difficulties of encumbrance (but you might not be able to kite on one)
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#7 May 15 2004 at 8:03 PM Rating: Decent
you are right that you can only gm 1 tradeskill others can only go to 200 until you get high enough to earn aa's then you can use them to be able to gm more than one ( i am not sure exactly how it works i am not that high yet)
#8 May 16 2004 at 6:09 AM Rating: Default
if you only want it for the WR bag the go with brewing as this is easily the cheapest trade skill to GM and you can get to 248 on minotaur hero brew, the parts for MHB are all vendor sold and are very cheap. you can GM brewing on about 800pp

Edited, Sun May 16 07:30:34 2004 by sickseventwenty
#9 May 16 2004 at 9:32 AM Rating: Decent
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Good deal, thanks for the info...

Is GMing Brewing a mistake, though? Would it be better to put a little more effort into one of the other TSs, since GMing one of them might be more useful/profitable in the end?


Also, can someone else please verify that if I GM a TS and create my "trophy" (if someone could elaborate on this as well...) that I will be able to summon 100%WR bags indefinately?
#10 May 16 2004 at 1:50 PM Rating: Decent
yes you can summon as many 100 wr bags as you want just be aware hat they are no rent and do not forget and leave something in them when you log ( speaking from eperience)


also you can turn one of the no rent bags into someone in bazzar( cant remember name of npc) and he will give you a 100 wr bag bag that is not no rent but is lore


also you dont necesarily need to go to 250 to go for trophy if you are at 240 and have a geerlok device it effectively gives you 252 which is the max you can be

Edited, Sun May 16 14:51:06 2004 by mkbailey
#11 May 16 2004 at 2:21 PM Rating: Decent
Although as you say it would be counterproductive, Get a mount. I many times after farming leave an area(outside area of co9urse to do this) and I have returned to a vendor weighing 500/86. Use a mount to your advantage in this case.
#12 May 16 2004 at 5:16 PM Rating: Decent
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I never knew about either the mount thing or the GM tradeskilling thing.
#13 May 17 2004 at 9:52 AM Rating: Good
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One word of caution. You need to get a GM trophy for you to have the summoned 100% WR bag. You can trade one in for a permanent bag so that's the good news. If you are planning on doing brewing GM, while it is cheap to GM, the trophy will cost you a fortune. All the trophies will cost you about 4-4.5kpp per try if you bought everything, except for brewing. Brewing trophy requires a corking device, which requires tinkerer a blue diamond to make. Usual price I have seen on Xev is about 1k. So, it will cost you 1kpp more per try on brewing trophy. Other trophies cost next to nothing to make, other than the initial 4k-4.5kpp outlay, since the item you need to make is fairly trivial in cost and levels to make.

You don't have to use mount to get around the weight limitation, just get a SoW, or even better potion. The potion is called Blood of the Wolf, I believe, and you can get them for about 80pp for 10 use on Xev now days. Sow will work like horse/drog in that even if you are loaded, you can at least move at decent speed. And it's cheaper in short term. Besides, by the time your cost for SoW potion catches up to horse cost, you would be in another zone closer to merchants anyways.

Good luck.

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#14 May 17 2004 at 10:07 AM Rating: Good
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you are right that you can only gm 1 tradeskill others can only go to 200 until you get high enough to earn aa's then you can use them to be able to gm more than one ( i am not sure exactly how it works i am not that high yet)


The way it works is that you can take one of the main 7 tradeskills to GM without AAs: tailoring, smithing, brewing, baking, pottery, jewelcraft and fletching. These are not level restricted, which means level 1 toon can be a GM on any of these. Others are considered cultural/class tradeskills and are usually level limited and doesn't count against the 7 tradeskill. You can take all of these to GM without effecting the original 7, such as tinkering, poison making, alchemy and research. Usually, fishing is not included as tradeskills, eventhough you can combine for tackles used in fishing as well as Blessed fishing poles.

As for AAs, Tanaan Craft AAs, you need 3 AA points to take each tradeskill to GM, other than your original GM. So you will need 18 points to take all 7 tradeskills to GM. Since you need to be at least level 59 (?) to start AAs, this can be considered level limted.

I hope this helps.

Taushar
#15 May 17 2004 at 1:01 PM Rating: Decent
only need to be lvl 51 for the crafting aa's
#16 May 17 2004 at 8:18 PM Rating: Good
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SOW does not work that well if you are loaded down. Do not rely on it. There are strength potions however. Greater Power gives you 25 strength and so does Greater Stability, Greater Vigor, and Greater Purity.
#17 May 17 2004 at 8:46 PM Rating: Good
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baabaa wrote:
I have heard of people going to merchants selling the fine steel and other sellables then buying expensive gems. The buy and sell prices on gems to a merchant are pretty close so you barely miss out. Then when you get back to pok or wherever just sell all the gems and bank the platinum. You could also find a mage to summon you a few 10 slot 100% wr bags to hold the fine steel weapons.



This is probably the most relevant advice to be honest. WR bags will not reduce the weight of coins you are carrying. Yes. They will reduce the weight of your other gear though, so your str will stretch a bit farther, but the difference between having 70 out of 80 str used in weight and reducing that to 50 out of 80 will still get eaten up in coins pretty fast. On my paladin, I usually have about 80-100 more str then weight, but I can fill that up with coins pretty easily depending on what I'm farming.

There are two major concepts to remember. First off is that when you buy something, you will always buy it using the lowest coins you have first. So you can often significantly reduce your carried weight by doing nothing more then buying food and water at a vendor. Why throw away the copper and silver? Buy food instead.

Also, as baabaa mentions, the cost difference between the buy and sell prices for gems is not that bad (if you've got a decent cha). Buy gems that are designed to eat up everything but your plat. You'll reduce your weight carried by a ton, but keep about 90% of the value. Turning 400gp, 600sp, and 800cp into a stack of gems that you can sell for about 40pp is very useful.

That's all contingent on merchants being in the zone you are in. However, rathe mountains has some gnomes in one of the main valleys that sell lots of stuff (including gems). It's worth taking a couple minutes of time to run over and do a quick conversion. Certainly better then gating and running back, or trying to get someone else to exchange the money with you.
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#18 May 18 2004 at 12:32 AM Rating: Good
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SOW does not work that well if you are loaded down. Do not rely on it. There are strength potions however. Greater Power gives you 25 strength and so does Greater Stability, Greater Vigor, and Greater Purity.


Couple of points. SoW potion works better than having nothing and certainly is cheaper than buying a horse, which was what I was comparing it to. As for the strength potions, I have not seen them for sale recently in bazaar (they tend to be rare at least on Xev) and they cost minimum of 35-50pp per combine. That means they will sell for 50-100pp per potion (500-1kpp per 10 dose potion) range when you take in to account the failures Shamans encounter. SoW potion I can usually buy for ~80pp per 10 dose, which works out to about 8pp per potion. For somone who is farming Rathe giants for pps, I would think spending 50-100 pps per every 30 min duration potion is a bit high cost just to carry heavy things.

In my experience, I can double up on my weight, i.e. 160/80, and still move at just below my normal speed using SoW potion or even high level SoW/SoE. I believe the level of the user makes the difference how effective the potion is as is the level of the caster if the spell is casted. I think it will get people to where they want to go in a most cost efficient way.

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There are two major concepts to remember. First off is that when you buy something, you will always buy it using the lowest coins you have first. So you can often significantly reduce your carried weight by doing nothing more then buying food and water at a vendor. Why throw away the copper and silver? Buy food instead.


Very good advice. In addition, when I check out merchants to reduce coins, I try to find items that I may be able to sell in bazaar later or something I can use in quests/research. Things like spider/spiderling silks, pelts of quality (I believe the Gukta pelt turn in quest is still going?), black sapphire & Jacinth (used to make Artisan's Seal for tradeskill trophy), various cultural tailoring (Sylvan Berries, Tears of Prexus etc.), various words, runes etc., helps reduce coin and bring a bit of profits later.


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