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#1 May 11 2004 at 10:27 PM Rating: Decent
Could anyone please help me track down the information for these quest. I'm going nuts trying to find it. Thanks for your help.
#2 May 12 2004 at 1:21 AM Rating: Decent
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#3 May 12 2004 at 10:24 AM Rating: Decent
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Temperance is the result of a Quest. (and a useful spell).

Blessing of Temperance is a stupid waste of LDoN points (ie it is vendor bought with points)
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#4 May 13 2004 at 6:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Blessing of Temperance is a stupid waste of LDoN points (ie it is vendor bought with points)


Stupid Waste?I think not.
#5 May 16 2004 at 8:14 PM Rating: Decent
The LDoN spell of group temperance is only 150 points, very well worth it in my opinion (iirc its from takish aka north ro camp) and any cleric with right mind would be in that camp anyway for the plate!
#6 May 17 2004 at 8:08 AM Rating: Decent
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The reason I feel Blessing of Temperance to be a waste of 150 points is that by the time you can get it at level 49 it is very unusual to find an occasion to use it.

Typically you have at least half the group who've got Bot9 and want Symbol instead, some of the tanks have Virtue because they either bought it or wandered into an MGB.

The group temp costs 3 times the mana so unless you have more than 3 people needing it you may as well cast the single target one.

This applies even more to the Paladin Version (Blessing of Austerity) which they can get at 58.

Of course if you and your friends spend long periods out of the MGB showers in PoK then you may get some mileage from it.

I suppose if you were selling Temp the same way KEI is sold by getting a full group to cast. Then it would save you dots. Selling buffs is so far removed from why I play the game that this usage had not occurred to me.

For normal pickup groups at 49 - 59 I don't think it is very useful.
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#7 May 17 2004 at 11:11 AM Rating: Decent
I've only seen Blessing of Temperance used once, and the person casting it had a hell of a time getting enough people in the group to offset the 3x mana cost.
Blessing of Austerity, if I remember right isn't that 650 points or something absurd? I'm REALLY looking forward to that, I seem to remember the level limit on BoA is even over 46... could be wrong.
#8 May 29 2004 at 11:32 PM Rating: Decent
I find as a 52 Cleric i use mine pretty often. You see people come to groups and don't want to waste their plat on getting buffed before turning on LFG. I find if i single target everyone in the group i'm not only OOM (rounded off) 66pp in the hole. They act like Clerics make big money but um excuse me i'd rather play than to sit and try to cast Temp all the time. And anyone else not having this problem would you trade groups with me cause starting out in the hole and group splits being crap i'm never going to get a copper ahead?
#9 Jun 02 2004 at 2:15 PM Rating: Default
ARE YOU WELL??????????????????????? Huge money is made...maybe the toons are cheap on your server but i can buy and sell you 50 times over from the plat i've made Temping. There isn't any item in EQ that can be bought that i cannot buy......and its all from Temping. I have a full set of toons all outfitted to their peak because of my cleric. Just a few days Temping and I make enough plat to hand out just for the hell of it. Toons come to me to sell their loot instead of bazaar because i got the plat to put out. My guild is uber because of me, a cleric, selling Temp. PFFFT!!!!! Not my prob your on a poor sever. Ypu speak as though you speak for all cleric's. NOT!!!!!! Now....if you'll excuse me.....I have uber amounts of plat to make.
#10 Jun 08 2004 at 9:23 PM Rating: Decent
Sounded to me like he doesn't want to waste online time being a buffwhore, he wants to play the game, healing and stuff of that sort.

The spell is well worth it with time saved, no one has to run back to PoK to get rebuffed. Self sufficient is a good thing.
#11 Jun 12 2004 at 11:09 PM Rating: Decent
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As a level 57 cleric, I find that I am still buffing my group in PoV with Blessing of Temperance. Granted the 1 or 2 ppl in the group may have Virtue, but everyone else the group Temp is more mana efficient. And those that have Virtue, when that goes away are asking for Temp too. Considering that most ppl will either ask for Virtue or Temp and forget about Aego, I will probably still be cast Blessing of Temp well past lvl 60.
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#12 Jun 16 2004 at 8:06 AM Rating: Decent
i refuse to be a buff ***** - irritates me that folks charge an arm & a leg for temp. when i cast in pok, it is only for the dot. i do not like "tips". i donate for buffs that i need if i have to, only because it is the expected practice. all it costs me to cast temp is the cost of my dot. mana is free. i hate the folks who say "casting temp for 25p a shot - open trade window" taht is when i whip out the cleric and respond with "casting temp for free - hail me". bah. pp is easy to make these days.


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Edited, Wed Jun 16 09:15:48 2004 by WickedLittleWoodElf
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#13 Jun 16 2004 at 10:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Was just looking at your magelo and I got to say, I am a bit confused why you don't have a mana preservation focus effect but you do have Improved DamageIV?

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#14 Jun 16 2004 at 10:38 PM Rating: Decent
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Sorry but there is no way a cleric can make huge amounts of plat by casting Temp. Unless you are charging 100p a cast and the server you are on have a huge contingent of idiots playing.

Personally, I think you, Riptidee, you are just talking out your ***. Heck, I doubt that you have actually played the game.
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#15 Jun 25 2004 at 7:38 PM Rating: Good
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Well. And he also completely missed the issue. No one said that temp wasn't a good spell to get. The issue was over the group version. I can see an argument for the group temp on long groups when you are too low level to cast virtue or aego. The savings in terms of both mana and dots for being able to temp your entire group in one shot is worth it.

On the other hand, odds are you'll level up to where you can cast virtue soon anyway. There's a very narrow range where temp is worth it. 150 AP is 150 AP. You could have bought some of the trap disarming spells, or a remove curse spell instead (which you'll still get use out of at level 65 possibly).

But group temp is absolutely worthless as a buffwhoring spell. People come in groups for KEI (and it's just mana anyway, so there's no need for a full group). People come individually for temp/virtue. They expect to hand you the cash/dot and get the spell cast on them. Done. You're not going to use Blessing of Temperance to sell the spell in PoK. You're only going to use it on a group.



I am a bit curious about Temp versus Aego though. I've always been of the opinion that you should buff your melee's with the best melee buff you've got. If that's aego, that's aego. I don't think that any caster *needs* a component costing buff except on raids. This, of course, is why the group versions are nice, since you get get the whole group for about the same cost that you'd spend doing your melee's anyway. But I would never waste time/money temping a caster in an exp group. They should't be taking enough damage during the group to need it. Certainly, expecting me to spend money so that they can more safely do something stupid is a bad idea. But that's just me...
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#16 Jun 30 2004 at 8:40 AM Rating: Default
Corba your a jerk for saying group temp is great what is it you dont have it ?
#17 Jun 30 2004 at 8:46 AM Rating: Default
Can a Lvl 61 cleric solo these mobs?
#18 Jul 01 2004 at 1:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Corba...where are you?
Corba all of your posts seemed to disapeared from this string!
Corba I want to read why you are a jerk, please come back to the thread and repost!
Honestly Pale....take a breath before your face turns blue and read what you post before you do... :)

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#19 Jul 01 2004 at 7:36 AM Rating: Decent
Heh well I purchased Blessing of Temperance after I was able to cast Virtue...why? At the time many of my guild members were starting alts, Using this spell saved me time and mana when I would drop by to buff a guild members group in PC or HHK. Also the other night during an MGB fest in PoK on The Rathe server..I heard an ooc to the effect of "what about the little guys?" Hrmmm ok got another Cleric to cast HoV and announced
"MGB Temp!" maybe I'm just a sucker for gratitude but the cheers were more than worth a few dots to me...

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#20 Jul 01 2004 at 4:46 PM Rating: Decent
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I am a 65 cleric and have had Blessing of Temperance from the begining, and have used it throughout my leveling. 150 pnts in NRO LDoN is not much. As mentioned before, tons of people come to groups without any buffs on and I have saved tons of mana not to mentions dots by using this spell. I am also one of those clerics who during mgb maddness will cast mgb Temperance, which you have to have Blessing of Temperance for.

The regular Temperance spell is a quest in Gunthak and Dulak. Speak with Millius Darkwater near the lighthouse in Gunthak. Get the Deepwater Emblem in Dulak and bring it back to him, get the Alihas emblem and head to loc n866, n668 on the beach. This is where she will spawn after you kill a billion savage skelly sailors. Give her the Alihas emblem and poof you have temperance.

Edited, Thu Jul 1 17:47:59 2004 by Irzya
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#21 Jul 02 2004 at 10:27 AM Rating: Decent
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Corba your a jerk for saying group temp is great what is it you dont have it ?


I have to assume this was aimed at me even if by an illiterate nincompoop.

By inserting punctuation in a few places it might be interpreted as meaning that he disagrees with my opinion on the spell, feels that it is "great" and goes on to imply that my scorn for it is caused by envy of those who have wasted 150 AP on it.

Since he totally fails to explain why it is "great" I see no real need to argue.

The point that some have raised above that does make some sense is the ability to MGB it for lower levels left out of the MGB Virtue etc. This seems a good and very laudable use of it especially as it is probably by people for whom 150AP is small change. In a group setting at 49 I would still not waste the points on it. getting it at a higher level when points are much easier to come by and using it to help guildies etc might well make sense.
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#22 Jul 06 2004 at 9:21 AM Rating: Decent
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I have to assume this was aimed at me even if by an illiterate nincompoop.

By inserting punctuation in a few places it might be interpreted as meaning that he disagrees with my opinion on the spell, feels that it is "great" and goes on to imply that my scorn for it is caused by envy of those who have wasted 150 AP on it.


I don't know, it makes perfect sense to me actually.

For instance:

Quote:
Corba your a jerk for saying group temp is great


I seem to take this as meaning that he very strongly enjoys corba's "a jerk for saying group temp".
Reading into that profound statement I pull out the following:

Quote:
your a jerk

Notice the extra space after the possesive your and the a, this seems to imply a sense of emptiness, or a longing. So in his mind "Corba" has a deep desire for a jerk to say "Group temp", and palepink finds this "great".


Example 2:
Quote:
what is it you dont have it ?


This phrase when removed takes on a new life.

Oberserve the lack of a comma here between it and you and the lack of an apostrophe in dont:

Quote:
what is it you

Quote:
dont


,' If you turn those sideway you have the yin and yang, but why would he leave the yin and yang out you ask? Simple, observe what comes next:

Quote:
have it ?


Palepink brings back the extra space in between the it and the ?.
So take this statement to mean:
"When you think the keen balance of spiritual harmony is absent, it is actually still hidden within."

So to summarize this work let's put the whole phrase together and see what we have now:

Quote:
Corba your a jerk for saying group temp is great what is it you dont have it ?


Cliff notes version:

"Corba, the fact that you wish to have a jerk say "group temp" is outstanding, as a jerk would probably not do such an act. Therefore Corba you have brought to light a paradox which I can summarize by saying, 'When you think the keen balance of spiritual harmony is absent, it is actually still hidden within.'"

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So Corba what palepink says is actually very profound and revealing. Palepink, thank you.



#23 Jul 16 2004 at 1:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Heh, semantics made silly.
#24 Jul 19 2004 at 10:21 AM Rating: Decent


Group Temp is well worth it, What Happens if the tanks didn't get Virtue heading into a dungeon and the whole group needs temp.

Lvl 44 Temp spell 6 Dots
Lvl 49 Group Temp spell 2 dots

Also if your a cleric that likes sitting in PoK selling temp and HoV think about this 5 people want temp, they pay 20 pp a piece thats 100 pp basically covering the cost of the Peridots and a little extra to throw in the bank.

5 Temps 20 pp 5 Dots
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Group Temp 2 Peridots at 20 pp

Plus if your a cleric with a Reagent Preservation item on there is a chance of only using 1 DoT for 5 Temps that means you made 100 pp on 5 Temps minus the 12pp for the DoT giving you a earning of 88pp, I also believe that the mana cost evens out between casting 5 temps to casting just one temp. Group Temp is well worth the 150 points. Most clerics now a days are just skipping the normal temp quest and just getting the group version anyways.

Just my 2 cents

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