With the new accelerated mana regen, is it better for a necro to have KEI and the normal regen or the lich line? I am assuming the Lich Line of spells cancels out the new regeneration.
The KEI route would be nice so I can show off my fashion sense and not worry about HP getting low.
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Where did you get the idea that mana was regenerating faster? I don't mean to flame or anything, but the recent patch notes say that sitting regens HPs faster. Check out the Recent Updates link on eqlive.station.sony.com
And if THERE is something about faster mana regeneration, please cite or link it, because I would like to know about that if I am wrong.
And if THERE is something about faster mana regeneration, please cite or link it, because I would like to know about that if I am wrong.
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OK ... I quickly read it and was mistaken.
I thought it was strange SOE would make my Necro easier to solo. Of all my toons, this one is the most powerful by far.
I thought it was strange SOE would make my Necro easier to solo. Of all my toons, this one is the most powerful by far.
Actually they DID make it easier for necros to solo. My necro is only level 18, but I have noticed an immediate enahncement of my playing pleasure: with the faster hit point regen, I can sit down with dark pact in place and I break even or gain health depending on the duration of the sitting.
I know this won't be as effective with the higher level lich spells simply because they drain so much more at a time, but the faster health regen DOES make life easier for necros.
The faster I regen health, =
the longer I can keep a lich spell up before I have to worry about dying =
the faster I can regen my mana =
the faster I can kill mobs.
That's how I see it, anyway. Feel free to correct me if my logic is bad. :) I'm still pretty new at this.
Fetisher
Lvl 18 Necro
E'ci Server
I know this won't be as effective with the higher level lich spells simply because they drain so much more at a time, but the faster health regen DOES make life easier for necros.
The faster I regen health, =
the longer I can keep a lich spell up before I have to worry about dying =
the faster I can regen my mana =
the faster I can kill mobs.
That's how I see it, anyway. Feel free to correct me if my logic is bad. :) I'm still pretty new at this.
Fetisher
Lvl 18 Necro
E'ci Server
from the time you get Lich on nothing is better for a necro for mana regen.
until then it is kind of up in the air for CII vs CoB
Boon of the clear mind (level 44 chanter group C spell) is only 9 points when cast from level 64 or 65th chanter and is as low as 6 points when cast from 44th chanter.
CoB = 8 mana per tic, so yes as CoB is level 34 spell. nothing is better for a necro then to stick with CoB or higher level spell in that line.
the only time my nec would even accept kei or VoQ was on raids when i would not be using my taps/hots on the mobs and would be pet/dd/twitch/mana tap.
then i would still often dump kei or voq for the much faster boost to my mana if need be.
FYI VoQ = 18 a tick with some other very nice benifits like +INT and + mana pool.
Lich = 20 mana a tick. yes you are losing life, but if you are in xp grind or solo that is nothing for a necro as you will get it back next fight.
archlich = 35 a tick and it only gets better from there. also keep in mind all of the lich line spells stack with FT and regen helps to counter it very well.
as for the mana regen, thats not what is going on, its the HP regen, but that will not effect anyone under the effect of a DoT (lich line) or when feigned. it also only effects you when you are sitting so a horse does not help as that is counted as standing HP regen even though it is considered sitting for mana regen.
hope that helps clear things up for you.
until then it is kind of up in the air for CII vs CoB
Boon of the clear mind (level 44 chanter group C spell) is only 9 points when cast from level 64 or 65th chanter and is as low as 6 points when cast from 44th chanter.
CoB = 8 mana per tic, so yes as CoB is level 34 spell. nothing is better for a necro then to stick with CoB or higher level spell in that line.
the only time my nec would even accept kei or VoQ was on raids when i would not be using my taps/hots on the mobs and would be pet/dd/twitch/mana tap.
then i would still often dump kei or voq for the much faster boost to my mana if need be.
FYI VoQ = 18 a tick with some other very nice benifits like +INT and + mana pool.
Lich = 20 mana a tick. yes you are losing life, but if you are in xp grind or solo that is nothing for a necro as you will get it back next fight.
archlich = 35 a tick and it only gets better from there. also keep in mind all of the lich line spells stack with FT and regen helps to counter it very well.
as for the mana regen, thats not what is going on, its the HP regen, but that will not effect anyone under the effect of a DoT (lich line) or when feigned. it also only effects you when you are sitting so a horse does not help as that is counted as standing HP regen even though it is considered sitting for mana regen.
hope that helps clear things up for you.
I'm pretty sure in the update patch that it was said any DoT or lich spell would cancel out the increased HP regeneration.
So if your HP are regenerating faster with lich on, it's a bug and expect it to be fixed shortly.
So if your HP are regenerating faster with lich on, it's a bug and expect it to be fixed shortly.
danreynolds wrote:
I'm pretty sure in the update patch that it was said any DoT or lich spell would cancel out the increased HP regeneration.
So if your HP are regenerating faster with lich on, it's a bug and expect it to be fixed shortly.
So if your HP are regenerating faster with lich on, it's a bug and expect it to be fixed shortly.
/agree. Necro's don't need help being able to solo. The HP regen thing was really for pure melee types to be able to recover from a fight a bit faster in the absense of a healer, not to allow a necro to regain HP from his lich line faster.
King Nobby wrote:
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Well, necros kinda get something out of it. Was tooling around with my ikky necro, sat down to med and get a drink, came back and clicked off alure since mana was full and I was still at 50% health, started gaining 28/tick right away, capped at 40ish before I was fully healed, seemed to go up by +5 per minute as opposed to my 54 shamans 10/11 per minute.
So it looks like the amount regenned goes up the longer you sit even if it's not affecting you due to a dot, and kicks in at current strength once the dot is gone.
So it looks like the amount regenned goes up the longer you sit even if it's not affecting you due to a dot, and kicks in at current strength once the dot is gone.
Toasticle, that is a nice little pop.
very handy for fast mana recovery, then even faster HP regen, hehe less then 1min without lich would never hurt a nec during recovery time.
nice to see they start the counter from when you start the sit and alow it to kick in once the dot is off.
very handy for fast mana recovery, then even faster HP regen, hehe less then 1min without lich would never hurt a nec during recovery time.
nice to see they start the counter from when you start the sit and alow it to kick in once the dot is off.
I wish they had improved mana regen...not necessarily for Necro's but the other casting population.
Personally I prefer liching unless I can get C5 and Crack stacked. I am so accustom to standing and regenerating with Lich that I forget when I am using any of the clarity buffs.
Unless your more fortunate than I you will probably have to rely on C3,C5 and Crack starting about level 56 to 60. Demi Lich is near impossible to obtain at least on RZ. Lich just is not efficent with that larger mana pool.
Here is waiting to arch lich!!!!
Personally I prefer liching unless I can get C5 and Crack stacked. I am so accustom to standing and regenerating with Lich that I forget when I am using any of the clarity buffs.
Unless your more fortunate than I you will probably have to rely on C3,C5 and Crack starting about level 56 to 60. Demi Lich is near impossible to obtain at least on RZ. Lich just is not efficent with that larger mana pool.
Here is waiting to arch lich!!!!
yes lich is rough once you get into the upper 50s, but it will hold you over. just group from 56-60th, then go solo in Veksar.
with EoT, and archlich, you will rule that zone. dont forget to have your undead slow, DD spells with you.
with EoT, and archlich, you will rule that zone. dont forget to have your undead slow, DD spells with you.
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No one seems to be mentioning the bind wounds to 70% while sitting.
After liching to 90% mana or so.. click off lich and the HP regen is bumped up.
All the while binding to cancel out the lich for HP.
I have not had much of a chance to play with the new patch yet but this seems a big boost to me.
After liching to 90% mana or so.. click off lich and the HP regen is bumped up.
All the while binding to cancel out the lich for HP.
I have not had much of a chance to play with the new patch yet but this seems a big boost to me.
The Seduction of Saryrn - our lvl 64 upgrade to lich spell, gives you 50 mana per tick. If you've boosted your mana regen ability to the 3rd lvl with mental clarity your mana regen is a minimum is 56 per tick. The max you can get from Voice of Quellious (65 chanter C3 upgrade) is 18..... If you've boosted your mana regen to the 3rd lvl with mental clarity your regen is 24 a tick. Need I say more.
Descarte Meditations Arch Lich - Povar
Edited, Fri May 7 12:33:39 2004 by Barto
Descarte Meditations Arch Lich - Povar
Edited, Fri May 7 12:33:39 2004 by Barto
I think someone above said it, but I'll say it again...
The regen is great, you can be completely out of mana, sit and lich to fm (I'm lvl39, lich takes away 7hp/tick while sitting for me still), click the lich off and you're regening at 40/tick and the rate keeps increasing, you'll be full health in about a minute (at least at my lvl I am)...
Before this you would have liched to near full mana and had your hp knocked down and you'd have to tap to get it back so you can keep the lich up, now you're full so you can just keep a HoT up and not waste the mana on the tap, I can solo nonstop for a long time now and when I do need to stop I make sure my mana bar is burned and my hp is full, leave for a few minutes, come back to fm, click the lich off and you're back at it full mana, full hp, no more than 5 minutes of total downtime, and it really wouldn't speed the process up if you decided to bandage, since as soon as you pop the lich off you're regening at an insane rate...
I wonder if they'll take this away from us...
The regen is great, you can be completely out of mana, sit and lich to fm (I'm lvl39, lich takes away 7hp/tick while sitting for me still), click the lich off and you're regening at 40/tick and the rate keeps increasing, you'll be full health in about a minute (at least at my lvl I am)...
Before this you would have liched to near full mana and had your hp knocked down and you'd have to tap to get it back so you can keep the lich up, now you're full so you can just keep a HoT up and not waste the mana on the tap, I can solo nonstop for a long time now and when I do need to stop I make sure my mana bar is burned and my hp is full, leave for a few minutes, come back to fm, click the lich off and you're back at it full mana, full hp, no more than 5 minutes of total downtime, and it really wouldn't speed the process up if you decided to bandage, since as soon as you pop the lich off you're regening at an insane rate...
I wonder if they'll take this away from us...
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