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#1 Apr 22 2004 at 1:35 AM Rating: Sub-Default
I think I have possibly figured a key part of what makes a class fun. Maybe just for me at least.

At heart, I am a fighter. A brawler. I need to be up in the front lines swingin' steel and tasting blood. RAWR! I have tried casters before; Shadowknights, Beastlords, a Necro. All have gone to deleted heaven. Spells are just too much (and too expensive) to keep up with.

However, I am having a killer time with my new cleric I just made. Now, however, it very well may be new toon infatuation. But I honestly feel a desire to slug it out with this guy. And I think I know why.

His name is Jesu, which is latin for Jesus. Eventually his last name will be Christi, latin for Christ. (I feel sorry for the people that live in "The Body of Christ", Texas. LMAO) Ok ok ok...you may be thinking "God Complex." Very well may be. But when I hit "Enter World" on this toon, I'm immediately in another frame of mind.

I think the same holds true with my other characters as well. I had a human monk once before, but scapped him. Only to eventually pick up the reigns again as an Ikky named Shukenja Oni (a long-stretch pseudo-reference meaning Samurai Demon. Not gonna go into what Shukenja mean, unless asked of course), and Barb Zerk Omnioni Hengeyokai.

So, what do y'all think? Do you think the name is an integral part of liking a toon?

Edited, Thu Apr 22 02:41:30 2004 by psychojester
#2 Apr 22 2004 at 4:05 AM Rating: Good
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The name of a character is an important part of the personality of the toon. That personality should be the main reason we log out of real life. So yes the name is very important.

You may get petitioned for that name though. Jesu Christi might offend a few from the religeous right. They tend to be humorless about such things. Not sure if the GMs would agree but you might want to expect a few problems in the future.

Edited, Thu Apr 22 05:05:35 2004 by Cattywumpus
#3 Apr 22 2004 at 4:22 AM Rating: Default
LOL I wouldn't be too surprised. But then again, how many people know latin? But I guess Jesu Christi doesn't require too much imagination, huh? Maybe Bhudda Belly? LMAO
#4 Apr 22 2004 at 8:35 AM Rating: Decent
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Jesu is a common name in the latin-speaking world. Adding Christi will probably not even get past the surname filter. If it does you will get petitioned. In addition to potentially offending people it is directly against the naming rules.

I know what you mean though. The surname filter is currently blocking one of my characters from the name I had chosen. I'll petition when I get time. I simply don't want to start adding extra letters and bending the spelling to try and slide it by.

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#5 Apr 23 2004 at 5:35 AM Rating: Decent
never thought of that (

i have a lvl 10 vah shir on vallon zek (not my main server) called wotznoo, last name is going to be pooseecat, i would probably enjoy playin my char much more if i hadnt chosen such a terrible name

PS what is Shukenja?
#6 Apr 25 2004 at 11:40 PM Rating: Default
Yeah, this is a bump, get over it. LOL

Drac, I actually got shukenja from the D&D Oriental Adventures PHB. But the shukenja do have a real history. They were a band of traveling mystics who's teachings later became the foundation for Bushido, which is the Code of the Samurai.
#7 Apr 26 2004 at 1:20 AM Rating: Default
This really sucks. I just read the Naming Rules at sony.com and I think I'm screwed for my toon's name. I could press the issue that they only state alternate spelling of the names, not alternate languages.

This really blows. Well, it's been a few days and so far nothing. Maybe if I just don't give him a last name I'll slip under the radar.
#8 Apr 26 2004 at 1:50 AM Rating: Good
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I think you more than likely correct.

i have only /Petition'ed 2 names:

Prostitute.
and
Licksomeass.

i wouldn't object you jesus christ or Popejean Paul but then i am not christian.
#9 Apr 26 2004 at 1:53 AM Rating: Default
Tarv's sig pretty much sums up what I was going to say about the issue. That and people (on EQ and at SOE) are too uptight about names.

C'mon. How cool would it be to fighting along with Warrior named Ghengis Khan or rogue named Hannibal Lecter or a cleric named Jesus?
#10REDACTED, Posted: Apr 26 2004 at 2:46 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) HA! Got it figured now. Jesu RexBaceolum; Jesus, King of Fools.
#11 Apr 26 2004 at 8:00 AM Rating: Default
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....and thus pschojester demonstrates why stupid rules are stupid.

Nice one. :)

They don't like it up 'em.
#12 Apr 26 2004 at 9:10 AM Rating: Decent
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That and people (on EQ and at SOE) are too uptight about names


ok so you would have the people at SoE saying "yeah so who cares if we get sued because someone has he name mickeymouse? lets give this one player their few minutes of fun, and it will only cost us 1000's"

good one runebull, im right behind ya
#13 Apr 26 2004 at 10:01 AM Rating: Decent
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....and thus the Honorable Dracoid demonstrates why stupid Laws are stupid.

There are too many stupid things in this world, just look at all the stupid claims that are won because of the law.

I don't like it up me either.

:)
#14 Apr 26 2004 at 10:23 AM Rating: Decent
lol, im with ya there lance, my point was thast SOE dont have a choice whether they're "stuck up" or not
#15 Apr 26 2004 at 10:30 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, know what you mean. Just imagine how good the world would be if everyone had common sense, integrity and honour in fair measure. We'd need no laws. (and no Everquest)

Lance
#16 Apr 26 2004 at 10:49 AM Rating: Decent
Interesting thread here. Again as a non-christian I don't really care about naming your character after Jesus or any other religious figure, but I can see how others might object to this trivialization of their deity. This is a somewhat different matter than the trademark infringement issue mentioned above. But offending players on religious issues is also to be avoided on moral grounds, and both can result in economic/legal harm to the company. And remember, if SOE's costs go up - our costs go up.

As to the initial point of the topic, I agree that choosing the name for the character adds significantly to the fun of the game. For the few people who understood the names I've used (not the names I have on this board) and for myself the names have been a bit of fun. Also since we may play with these toons a long time its good to feel comfortable with them.
#17 Apr 26 2004 at 10:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah man, cool. Got to agree with you there Nave, it's just a shame that people are so easily upset / happy to upset people.

(I get called Shorty at work and don't get upset about it, but I understand that calling someone's preferred God shorty might not be the same thing. :) )

Returning to names, I agree they are important, unless you really don't want to Roleplay at all, even a tiny amount, in which case maybe you should stick to consoles.

I've even decided on my first daughters name, before the trouble and strife is even pregnant. Not just because I like the name and so have chosen it, but because it's like I know my daughters name already. Know what I mean?

Heck, am I sounding weird. There was me thinking I was all sensible and normal like, next thing I'll be wearing beads in my hair and saying things like 'Yeah man, cool'

:)

Lance.

Edited to add - 'Doh!'



Edited, Mon Apr 26 11:59:37 2004 by LanceValiant
#18 Apr 26 2004 at 11:03 AM Rating: Decent
LOL, great post lance haha Smiley: lol
#19 Apr 26 2004 at 11:08 AM Rating: Decent
As usual, my point was either A) Above people's heads or B) Beneath people's notice.

As I said before, I don't play casters. I've tried, but to no avail. However, I like playing my cleric beacue I think it's fun as hell to be running around with a Cleric named Jesu. If someone thinks I'm belittling Jesus by playing a good cleric who knows how to group and play well, that's their problem. I certainly wouldn't complain if I saw people running around named Urther, Ferthandi, and Skuld (The Goddesses I worship) or Odin or Zeus.

Maybe it takes too much common sense, but the reason copyrighted names are filterd are pretty fĂșcking obvious. Last time I checked Jesus Christ, nor any other name for any God or Goddess was copyrighted. So yeah, shove it up your ***.

The real problem lies with people's close-mindedness.
#20 Apr 26 2004 at 11:12 AM Rating: Decent
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I agree that a good name is very important. At least for me its fun to see a witty name and its even better when a few people actually get my name.(Lampropeltis)
#21 Apr 26 2004 at 11:13 AM Rating: Decent
who said jesus was copyrighted? you can argue against comments that wern't made
#22 Apr 26 2004 at 11:29 AM Rating: Decent
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ok so you would have the people at SoE saying "yeah so who cares if we get sued because someone has he name mickeymouse? lets give this one player their few minutes of fun, and it will only cost us 1000's"



This was the response YOU made to Rune's comment (which apparently seems to be the only person to get where I am coming from, thanks Rune) about names.

Rune made the point about letting people use historical names. For some reason, you took it to copyrighten names.
#23 Apr 26 2004 at 12:50 PM Rating: Decent
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I spent sooooo much time selecting my character's names it's not even funny. If you're even slightly picky, you'll probably spend a lot too, because you've got all these things working against you :

1) No offensive names.
2) No copyrighted names.
3) No fantasy names, like from books etc.
4) No name previously selected.

God, this made it hard, unlike any other game I've ever played. No fantasy names? What about short ones - nope, they're all taken - well, maybe not yqeo and names like that. Anything funny I can think of is offensive :) . And the last thing I'd want is to see a 30ish level character with a GM-selected name change suddenly.

Eventually I decided to make all my names two-word-compounds which give me some hint about roleplay.

Hammerbreaker - Ogre Warrior - "Go ahead, bash me, you'll break your own weapon I'm so tough"

Woundbane - Human Cleric - "No wounds go untreated, by spell or by bandage."

Bloodskull - Ogre Beastlord - Pure evil. Just likes to kill things, Rallos Zek worshipper. His symbol is a skull drawn in blood. Hardest name to come up with, every name like "Skullcrusher" etc gets rejected.

Bravestone - Froglok Paladin - "Fighting evil one undead at a time".

Hatereaper - Troll Shadowknight - "Bringing in the sheaves for Innoruk's sake"

Each name took about an hour, or more, to come up with. (And other decisions are maybe 5 minutes - sheesh!) After the first, I started writing down a list of good names, then seeing which ones would "take" when at the character creation screen.

I'm with Psycho - the name is critically important to enjoying your characters.
#24 Apr 26 2004 at 1:04 PM Rating: Decent
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I agree but some random names aren't all that bad.

Pally:- Jarkeld Hammerhiem: from a magic card <Oh no i broke the EULA so sue me>

Chanter:- Adeara Coolbreeze: Random generated

Cleric:- Iaedian Hammerhiem: Random generated

Rogue:- Genelorm McHammerhiem: well he is a barbarian

Necro:- Ebondraco Wyrmkin. Ikky could ya guess?

Druid:- Oakflower

Sias: Beasty. just sounded good.

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#25 Apr 26 2004 at 6:32 PM Rating: Good
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The name hsould match. My "main" (so to be replace) is a woody ranger, named Jiggidyjay... boy, was I dumb. I also have a Erutie necro named Zolotaya (russian for golden, was having a real hard time finding a name, so yet, another stupid one). Then I started my bard. His name is Zingin Ansinging. I love my bard. I know it's not just because the name, but I think it adds to the effect when I get in a group and people see my surname and go "Ahh, I get it now!"
#26 Apr 26 2004 at 7:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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Hey. While we're on the topic of coming up with names for characters, can I make a couple suggestions?

I don't really care that much about what the name means, or what significance it has to you. That's for you to figure out on your own. However, there are a couple issues that will annoy me more then any amount of offensiveness or other "rule breaking" stuff:

When naming your character think about how others will need to use that name. Firstly, I would *strongly* suggest avoiding names that start with "i". I suppose it's font dependant, but the default font in EQ makes a capital "i" look exactly the same as a capital "l". There's nothing more annyoing then when someone named iealiea sends out a ooc or shout or say asking for a group, or inviting me to a group, or asking for a buff, or any of a zillion other things where I may need to target that person or send them a tell, but it takes me like 8 tries to get the right damn spelling.

In the same vein, keep your names simple. I would much rather you pick a name that is easy to spell then one that's close to a copywrited name, but has extra characters thrown in. I don't want to have to squint at your name to figure out how many z's you put in your spelling of Drrizzzzzt so I can send you a tell.


Here's a nice rule. Alternate consonants and vowels. Use "standard" combinations of characters. Make easy to spell syllables. So Karashan is a nice easy name to spell. There's a nice spacing of consonants and vowels, and the only pairing of consonants is a standard "sh", which is easy to type. Karhsteial is not. Too many groups of vowels and/or consonants in a row and in combinations that dont happen in the "real world", so people aren't used to typing them that way.


It drives me nuts how many people think that by throwing out mangled sets of characters they are being "exotic" with the names. No. You're really not. You're just making your name really hard to spell. So if you ever wonder why you never seem to get a response when you send out an "/ooc X class looking for group", it could very well be because your name is a pain in the butt to type, so they gave up and invited someone else instead.
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