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He is two or three boxing so while he is hunting or raiding with one character, or more, he buffs in PoK or Nexus...or maybe both. There are a remarkable number of people that do this.

Yup. Got to agree there. No one with a main of even moderate level will bother spending that kind of time. The money you'll get over time spamming for low level buffs is totally inconsequential. I can literally make more money running down the well once in CC and just selling the "junk" to the dwarves down there (which probably would take me about 15 minutes tops), then you'll make in an entire evening selling sow in PoK. And that's not bothering to vendor anything.

Heck. Hunt spiders for silks. They sell easily at 8-10pp a silk. Anyone can do that at any level and make damn good money.

I'm with Cobra on this one. I simply can't understand how someone can think they're making good use of their time sitting in PoK selling junk buffs like that. Sure. Play however you want, but if you're goal is to just make money, you can make more *and* gain exp if you simply select the right mobs to hunt.

I don't get it either...

I can see if your waiting for a group, its safe in Pok and you have easy access to a lot of different areas, thats why people go to pok looking for the buffs in the first place. But even then, unless you can cast Kei, Temp, and to a lesser extent HoS (I would never pay for SoW - any level 9 shaman can cast it, then rangers, druids, and beastlords also get it at various levels).

If the person was doing it to pass the time while waiting for something else to happen, thats one thing (which I'll do if I'm waiting for an LDON group or other hunting group and don't feel like farming or working on tradeskills). But obviouslly from the sound of it he's doing it as his way of life

So I agree - thats a bit much.

But on the same page I get so annoyed by people who 3 - 4 times in the span of a minute call out LFG or LFP - do a /w before you do that - the people haven't changed I doubt they are going to be "hey this guy has sent an OOC 10 times for a group - I didn't want him the first 9 times but this 10th time really got me"

First I should say that I disagree with the whole business of selling buffs. My view is if you want those buffs then you should group with the class that can cast them.

During times when PoK is quiet, no one else is selling cleric buffs and I'm wasting time time till a raid is due to start, then I offer my 65th level, 70% extended cleric buffs for 500pp each. I don't expect anyone to take me up on the offer and I don't need the cash. It's just amusing to see other people's reactions especially since as no one else is casting them the buffs are unavailable anyway. I've been added to ignore lists, people have told me never to ask them for buffs or ports and the other day people logged in their alts to cast cleric buffs for free (obviously just to spite me). I thought the last case was quite a victory for everyone else and went away with a big smile on my face.

Sounds meanspirited to me. If you don't want to help other people advance, that's fine. But, there's really no reason to be condescending. Too many 65s forget that they didn't really get there by themselves.

I agree with Bridger. Why do something just to **** people off...because you can? Nice.

I view this game as primarily social. It does not matter what level you are, if you get a reputation as an idiot, people will think you are. Example:

12Th lvl enchie: 'Hey there is that 65th lvl idiot that advertises buffs that people need for 500pp. What a jerk. Note, when I get big, I will not give that SOB KEI."

I'm finally big enough to sell good summoned pet kits.

If I am in PoK, waiting for people to show up and get organized, I'll often see a couple people /OOCing for them. What the heck? I set up shop while I wait and give a heads up that they're available.

I wonder how much pp I'd make if I spent an entire gaming session summoning stuff for people.

I wonder how many ignore lists I'd make if I spent an entire gaming session doing it.

I actually know of an enchanter who spent about 2 months casting KEI by the bazaar zoneline (pre-pop). As far as I can tell, that's about all he did during that time frame. On one hand, it was very convenient knowing he'd most likely be there to cast KEI on me. On the other, I wonder what he was saving for, because he must have made a ton of pp.

How hard could it be for SoE to come up with a Buff Vendor Box?

type /bazaar and you get a list of vendors and items

type /lfg and you get a box that can be sorted several ways

So why not /buff ?

All people selling buffs/ports can be listed and what they're vending.

Ahh, OK. Thanks for the answer...which is essentially that you do this to **** people off because other people do other things to you that **** you off. You will be happy to know that you and my 10 year old would see things eye to eye, but I am confident he will mature past that.

What ever happened to the days when one would get buffs from a high level person JUST BECAUSE??

Ahhh, long gone are the days when one would run though the fields and get hit with a SoW from a person that just felt like casting it on you ... or needed to practice the skill.

Anyway, The buff window idea that has been floating around isn't a bad idea but isn't that called tribute? I thought the idea of tribute was to give you buffs for donations.

They are alive and well and called MGB.

I can sit afk outside PoK bank and come back to find I have all sorts of strange buffs.

Not only that but I frequently SoW people in passing especially in newbie zones. Sometimes I watch them fight and if they seem heavily twinked or Temped I'll leave them alone. If they seem genuine then I'll throw some buffs their way.

Hmmm, I thought long and hard before posting this. Its not a flame of Guvwenea in particular, but this post encapsulates a large part of the lop-sided thinking that seems so common within the game now and could, in time, bring the game undone.

I dunno, am I the only one who sees this? There are so many issues tied up in this one seemingly casual statement that I'm not sure where to begin.

Maybe here, A druid needing Virtue is beyond my understanding.

The "art" of playing a Druid, is to not get hit.
Druids have (arguably) the best self buffs in the game.
There was a time when Druids were begged for their HP buffs, (some knowlegable people still do, lol).
The mana regen a Druid can achieve when you stack the various Howler/Mask/PoTC lines rival any other self buffing class in the game.

This whole attitude that prevails, that you "need" these buffs (in particular KEI and Virtue but others as well) to play the game is just plain wrong.

The whole idea of balanced classes and balanced groups is built around the concept that together, the group will have enough of the different attributes it needs, to be successful against the opposition it is taking on.

So, a group that doesn't have a Chanter for KEI, but has, umm let's say a Necro or Beastlord, simply paces itself a bit differently, but will be just as successful.

Oh well, I could go on about it all day I suppose, but I just find it such a great pity that so many people are not getting to experience the full depth of what the game has to offer.

There's really no sense in getting all worked up about it. If they spam more than once a minute or so they go on my /ignore list along with the casinoists and beggers. I think that offering buffs in OOC is a valuable service. I would rather have one person shout every 3 minutes that they are casting KEI than 100 people shout every 4 seconds "OMFG N33D KEI N0W PLZKTHX!!1!" I guess its all about perspective.
/shrug