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#1 Apr 07 2004 at 3:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok, I do not pretend to be E. B. White but c'mon, let us (let's) at least try to use the proper words (or stop using incorrect ones).

These are easy, sheesh.

your blah blah == means the blah blah belongs to you
you're blah blah == means YOU ARE blah blah

then == indicates a time when
than == shows comparison

I'd rather do blah blah then, than now...Then I can blah blah your blah blah until you're blah blah...(See how easy?)

to == preposition that indicates direction or part of an infinitive of a verb
too == indicates amount or also, as in too many people do not know this (or care to). (Ack, ended clause in preposition, E.B. forgive me...)
two == number of brain cells some people have left.

blah blah is there == WHERE the blah blah is
their blah blah == blah blah that belongs to them

Now I have nothing against typing stuff like
'hey u r 2 kewl' or 'yur post was blah blah'
but reading stuff like 'your not better then I. I to uber for you' drives me up a wall. (I can handle the word 'uber'.)

Now I understand that in exuberance to write that flame you may misspell or not have proper usage--that I understand. But when I read another paragraph where the same usage is repeated over and over, I have to shake my head.

Imagine now, someone scraping there fingernails on a blackboard from here too their and your getting the picture to. Now I suppose now I suppose I will get to many responses from the PC crowd about the non-native English peoples but thats ok. Or I will get huge diettribes in dude-speak. Your ok too. Just try not too look to ignorant when you do. (me /ducks and says Leiany can translate to English for you.)


Edit(Misspelled 'mis-spell')

Edited, Wed Apr 7 16:24:51 2004 by Dothammer
#2 Apr 07 2004 at 3:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Now I suppose now I suppose I will get to many responses from the PC


and

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diettribes


actually it's Diatribes...

;)


#3 Apr 07 2004 at 3:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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Didn't E. B. White write Charlotte's Web? If I ever play EQ2, I'm naming my Ratonga "Templeton".

Or, more likely, "Ttemmpllettonn."

Some Pig!
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#4 Apr 07 2004 at 3:32 PM Rating: Decent
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You could point out ALL the errors in that last paragraph and I may give you a prize. But then...Doh! I guess I'll go scrape my fingernails on a blackboard...
#5 Apr 07 2004 at 3:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Free SoW to the first person who can tell me what the E.B. White reference is...
#6 Apr 07 2004 at 3:36 PM Rating: Decent
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You could point out ALL the errors in that last paragraph and I may give you a prize. But then...Doh! I guess I'll go scrape my fingernails on a blackboard...


If the prize is a big piece of lasagna I will take you up on that... Mulamen is hungry.
#7 Apr 07 2004 at 3:39 PM Rating: Decent


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Free SoW to the first person who can tell me what the E.B. White reference is...


The elements of style... I'll take my sow wrapped in a newspaper please.
#8 Apr 07 2004 at 3:42 PM Rating: Decent
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If I ever play EQ2, I'm naming my Ratonga "Templeton".


Can I be Rikki-Tikki-Tavi?


p.s. Yes, I know that Rikki-Tikki was a mongoose
#9 Apr 07 2004 at 3:43 PM Rating: Good
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The Elements of Style was never made into a poorly animated cartoon though.
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#10 Apr 07 2004 at 3:45 PM Rating: Decent
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The Elements of Style was never made into a poorly animated cartoon though.


That's too bad, I could put that right next to eight crazy nights on my worst animated films ever shelf...
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Can I be Rikki-Tikki-Tavi?
Sure. And if you kill Karait, the dust snake, you can eat at the breakfast table with the Englishman.
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#12 Apr 07 2004 at 3:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Ding! He revised and added sections to "The Elements of Style" by William Strunk Jr. Anyone who didn't cut high school English may remember that...

Sorry brother, can only SoW you on The Seventh Hammer. My shammy makes a mean 10-dose Blood of Wolf...
#13 Apr 07 2004 at 3:55 PM Rating: Decent
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Sorry brother, can only SoW you on The Seventh Hammer. My shammy makes a mean 10-dose Blood of Wolf...


you tricked mulamen... mulamen cries.
#14 Apr 07 2004 at 3:57 PM Rating: Decent
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You can always make a sockpuppet on 7th hammer...
#15 Apr 07 2004 at 4:01 PM Rating: Decent
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You can always make a sockpuppet on 7th hammer...


Smmmmmooooooooooottttthhhhhhhh.... I'll be the fastest level one, EVER!

BTW, I heard that if you start a character on more than one server there are extra charges, is there truth to that?
In other words (as if that wasn't clear enough) can I have 10 characters on every server with the exception of the legends one?
#16 Apr 07 2004 at 4:04 PM Rating: Good
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No extra charges for alts, regardless of server (well, except Stormhammer, the premium Legends server).

FFXI does charge you an extra buck a month for alts (per alt, I do believe), so maybe that's where you heard it from.

There's only eight slots per server and some restrict you to 1-4 depending on the ruleset, which is being excessively nitpicky. But someone else was bound to say it anyway

Edited, Wed Apr 7 17:04:27 2004 by Jophiel
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#17 Apr 07 2004 at 4:05 PM Rating: Decent
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BTW, I heard that if you start a character on more than one server there are extra charges, is there truth to that?
In other words (as if that wasn't clear enough) can I have 10 characters on every server with the exception of the legends one?


Oops downgraded for going off-thread...(not really)...

I have 8 chars on 7th Hammer and 2 on Stromm, perhaps I should look at my billing but I do not think you get charged more for using more than one server.
#18 Apr 07 2004 at 4:06 PM Rating: Decent
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To the last question NO. I have chars on CT FV and MT.
Jophiel has a few around as well. Or at least he did.




#19 Apr 07 2004 at 4:11 PM Rating: Decent
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More off-thread but fun 'irregardless'
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can I have 10 characters on every server

Wait a sec...you have 10 character slots per server? I only have 8! The Dot cries now...

I'm pretty sure if you have 10 characters per server you WILL be charged more since you will have at least two accounts!

Edited, Wed Apr 7 17:13:33 2004 by Dothammer
#20 Apr 07 2004 at 4:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Wait a sec...you have 10 character slots per server? I only have 8! The Dot cries now...


Well, it was just a guess... 8 to 10.
Me brain r sometimes a lil' dumm!

BTW if an unkown level one comes up and smacks one of your characters, pay no mind... it would definitely not be me.


Edit: Of course it would be a friendly smack, Mulamen is a nice guy.

Edited, Wed Apr 7 17:22:36 2004 by Mulamen
#21 Apr 07 2004 at 4:23 PM Rating: Decent
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If you paid extra for playing other servers I'd be broke long ago. I have lost track of which servers I have characters on.

I often think it would be nice if the login showed a star or something against servers where you had characters. Better still if it was a navigable tree-view and you could load the character from server select.

Hang about - I am broke.
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#22 Apr 07 2004 at 4:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Easy to guess which ones are me, several begin with Dot...
Dotlo (31 Halfling Druid)
Dotluga (33 Ogress SK)
Dottien (30 High Elf Cleric)

You would have to run your level 1 to Stonebrunt or The Great Divide for the first two, but Dottien hangs out in Butcherblock some.
#23 Apr 07 2004 at 6:19 PM Rating: Decent
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>...Or I will get huge diettribes in dude-speak...

Yes, I believe it is *diatribe* as Mulaman pointed out... Unless, of course, the *dude-speak* to which you refer is a zone populated by a massive yet close knit group of people all of whom are careful about their calorie intake...

Nah, probably not what you meant...

Seriously though, great post. I often wonder just how much time is really saved by typing *2* instead of *to* or *U* instead of *you*. And as for me, *kewl* isn't cool. Elements of Style, however, is and has always been, very cool.
#24 Apr 07 2004 at 6:41 PM Rating: Good
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Dothammer wrote:
at least try to use the proper words


Sorry but you've set me going Smiley: smile

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His grammar is the most pedantic up with which to put ever have I had

Lewis (to Morse) wrote:
Shouldn't that be 'To Whom', sir?

I wrote:
A preposition is something you should never end a sentence with
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#25 Apr 07 2004 at 6:48 PM Rating: Good
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Dothammer wrote:
at least try to use the proper words
You reminded me of when my son wrote an outstanding essay for school. He spent hours picking my brains (it was about a subject I have studied extensively) so his end product was far more sophisticated than was expected. It seems his teacher suspected plagiarism. . . He marked it 'A-' and commented at the end
"An extremely thorough analysis, but when your quoting from other works, please list you're references"

I amended the grammatical errors, crossed them through and wrote "See Me" and sent it back to him Smiley: wink


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#26 Apr 07 2004 at 8:01 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm usually a stickler for at least semi-decent grammar. However, what you have to realize is that postings on a web site or BB are not traditional "written language", nor are they "speach". They are a blend of the two, and that will result in some fairly common transpositions of words.

I sometimes look back over a post I've made and cringe at the goofed up words I've written. The problem is not a matter of not knowing which words to use when, but simply that when writing in an online forum, you tend to write the way you speak. As a pretty fast touch typist, my fingers don't necessarily know which spelling of a word I should be using. They just type the word.

For that reason, I generally don't worry too much about hominyms in posts. As a mixture of speach and written word, you can generally tell what meaning the author *meant* when he used a particular word. I can tell via context if he meant "they're", or "there", or "their". Theoretically, you should be more concerned with the content of the post, rather then the absolute correctness of the grammar within. After all, you don't worry about whether the correct spelling of a word is being used when someone talks to you, and a board is much more akin to a spoken conversation then traditional writing.

On the other hand, absolutely horrible grammar can make the meaning of a post extremely hard to determine. I've sometimes read a post and had absolutely no idea what the poster is trying to say. Sometimes, you actually have to guess. I find that the grammar errors listed above are usually not the cause of that. It's generally sentence-structure errors that cause a post to be indecipherable. Mixed number, or incorrect case, or botched use of transitives are vastly more likely to make it impossible to determine what someone is trying to say.


Example:

(more or less correct)

I went to the store. I ran into some friends there and asked them what their favorite flavor of icecream was. They told me that they liked chocolate more than vanilla, but then Joe said he liked strawberry the most.

("common" hominym and/or spelling substitutions)

I whent to the store. I ran into some friends theire and asked them what they're favorite flavore of icecream was. They told me that they likd chocolate more then vanilla, but than Joe said he liked strabwaerry the most.

(bad structure sentence)

i go to a store and friends their and ask icecream more like. Chocolate much more then vanilla but Joe strawberry.


The first and second cases are both pretty readable. You can easily determine what the poster is talking about and what they are saying. In the third, if you didn't have the context of the first two, you'd likely have no clue what the poster was trying to say. And I've seen whole paragraphs written in that style. That's usually the only thing that gets my "grammar ****" going...
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