What's the best tradeskill for plat making at the GM level?
or is it just better to farm stuff?
thanks
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If you really want to make serious plat you need multiple tradeskills at 200+ skill levels and elemental level drops.
Baking is probably one of the cheapest to raise so you can start making a profit sooner than some of the others. Pottery is inexpensive to raise compared to some also. Blacksmithing and tailoring are expensive to raise, but very profitable(especially for certain races). Jewelcraft is good too, but best for Enchanters with AAs to it. Those tend to be very expensive to raise before you can make a real profit though.
There is no BEST answer though or everyone would be doing that one and then it would be so competitive that there wouldn't be a reasonable profit to be made. Everyone wants to make good coin, but as with most things, it takes money to make money.
Baking is probably one of the cheapest to raise so you can start making a profit sooner than some of the others. Pottery is inexpensive to raise compared to some also. Blacksmithing and tailoring are expensive to raise, but very profitable(especially for certain races). Jewelcraft is good too, but best for Enchanters with AAs to it. Those tend to be very expensive to raise before you can make a real profit though.
There is no BEST answer though or everyone would be doing that one and then it would be so competitive that there wouldn't be a reasonable profit to be made. Everyone wants to make good coin, but as with most things, it takes money to make money.
First of all, if you are trying to make pps through doing tradeskills to GM level, my suggestion is to forget it. You are better off doing sub-combines and selling them than try to GM any tradeskills. Three of the best items you can get from tradeskils; Aid Grimel, Tradeskill Trophy and Coldain Shawl #8; are all no drops and you can't sell them. You will spend a lot more than you will ever see in return, except for few times when new high end recipies come out and you are one of few who can make them.
As an example of the cost involved with making GM, I spent about 200kpps raising my tailoring from 200 to 250. Of course, this varies from server to server but you will see that I will not recover, I mean pure profit wise (selling cost - material cost) in a long time. Maybe years. If you want to make pps, go adventure, level up, go to high end PoP zones and farm ornate patterns. On my server, you can easily get 8kpp to 150kpp for an ornate pattern.
That being said, if you want to make money from tradeskills, make things like: leather padding, celestial essences, blessed dust of tunare/karana, velium/acrylia bits/studs/boning etc. There are many who have money who are willing to pay for these sub combine items so they can make GM in tradeskills.
If you insist on GM route, the cheapest to GM in any tradeskills is brewing, hands down. You can, with high enough Wis/Int, can go from 0 to 250 in 6-8 hours with less than 300pps. With this skill, you can make some tempers for high end tailoring or smithing and make decent pps on them. Smithing and tailoring will break you, cost is too high and material too rare from about 100 to 250 level. Easiest but costly one is jewelcraft. You can get to GM in about 6-8 hours but expect to spend about 5-15kpp net on it. Baking is not too bad cost wise but it will take you forever to GM. You may be able to make some high end stat food for profit so this may be a good compromise between cost and reward. Pottery is fairly easy until you hit about 188 range. After that is painful, mostly because it's very expensive to skill up, although you can do it all the way to 250 with vendor bought items and help from your friendly enchanter/cleric. Fletching can be done with about 250kpp from 0 to 250 just by doing vendor bought bow components. If you want to save money, you can farm a lot and do the arrow route. If you can do cultural, WE of Tunare/Karana, then it will be easier. However, unless you have PoP zones you can farm, not much profit in this one.
I hope this helped. Good luck.
Taushar
Edited, Tue Apr 6 01:43:33 2004 by Taushar
As an example of the cost involved with making GM, I spent about 200kpps raising my tailoring from 200 to 250. Of course, this varies from server to server but you will see that I will not recover, I mean pure profit wise (selling cost - material cost) in a long time. Maybe years. If you want to make pps, go adventure, level up, go to high end PoP zones and farm ornate patterns. On my server, you can easily get 8kpp to 150kpp for an ornate pattern.
That being said, if you want to make money from tradeskills, make things like: leather padding, celestial essences, blessed dust of tunare/karana, velium/acrylia bits/studs/boning etc. There are many who have money who are willing to pay for these sub combine items so they can make GM in tradeskills.
If you insist on GM route, the cheapest to GM in any tradeskills is brewing, hands down. You can, with high enough Wis/Int, can go from 0 to 250 in 6-8 hours with less than 300pps. With this skill, you can make some tempers for high end tailoring or smithing and make decent pps on them. Smithing and tailoring will break you, cost is too high and material too rare from about 100 to 250 level. Easiest but costly one is jewelcraft. You can get to GM in about 6-8 hours but expect to spend about 5-15kpp net on it. Baking is not too bad cost wise but it will take you forever to GM. You may be able to make some high end stat food for profit so this may be a good compromise between cost and reward. Pottery is fairly easy until you hit about 188 range. After that is painful, mostly because it's very expensive to skill up, although you can do it all the way to 250 with vendor bought items and help from your friendly enchanter/cleric. Fletching can be done with about 250kpp from 0 to 250 just by doing vendor bought bow components. If you want to save money, you can farm a lot and do the arrow route. If you can do cultural, WE of Tunare/Karana, then it will be easier. However, unless you have PoP zones you can farm, not much profit in this one.
I hope this helped. Good luck.
Taushar
Edited, Tue Apr 6 01:43:33 2004 by Taushar
As noted below there is no best tradeskill for making PP, you can and will make some pp from all tradeskills if you have acsess to high level zones, but the two highest return TS's are also the most expencive to GM and you will make far more in the short to medium term from selling components.
Example:Bloodmetal Earring of engagement. requires Highly polished gem and wraith blood as 'Rare' components. gem sells for 20k and blood for 2-4k while the earring sells for 30k. so only 5k difference in profit. and thier is always a chance of failure.
Money by tradeskill.
Baking:- lots of small profit but large turnover I.E.
Halas meat pies 4-5pp <226 trivial>
Misty Thicket picnic baskets 10pp <250 trivial>
Fishrolls 1pp <135 Trivial
Hobgoblin Surprise 100pp <250 Trivial>
Brewing:- occasional big seller but mainly as baking i.e.
Planar Blood brew 2k <250 Trivial>
Tempers <varies> 50pp-5k+
Fletching:- Elemantal Bows sell for high pp and cultural and low planes for some
Nightmarewood compound 3-5k <250>
Obsidianwood compound 40-60k <250>
Primal driftwood compound 70-100k <250>
Jewelery:- if above 44 some staple low pp items that always move and Tier 3+ high pp items
Velium Fire wedding ring 600pp <250>
Gold pale nilite<sp?> earring 700pp <200>
Blood Metal earring of engagement 30k <250>
Pottery:-Steins and elemental totems and the occasional spiritstone.
Spirit stone of <insert god.> 5k <250>
Ceramic totem of Xygony 30k <250>
Smithing:- Huge profits from Cultural armour, planar smithing but very expencive <250k> to GM.
Cultural armour 5-20k per piece <250>
New GoD weapons 3-10 per piece <200+>
Tailoring:- silks and padding are the best way to make pp Imho. but if you really want to GM then expect to pay 200k+ if you don't farm. the rewards are huge with countless items to sell from acrilia studded to ice silk robes and caps all the way to elemental and GoD recipies.
i hope that helps somewhat.
GM Jeweler and 200+ in all tradskills within my two accounts <wife loves to tradeskill
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Example:Bloodmetal Earring of engagement. requires Highly polished gem and wraith blood as 'Rare' components. gem sells for 20k and blood for 2-4k while the earring sells for 30k. so only 5k difference in profit. and thier is always a chance of failure.
Money by tradeskill.
Baking:- lots of small profit but large turnover I.E.
Halas meat pies 4-5pp <226 trivial>
Misty Thicket picnic baskets 10pp <250 trivial>
Fishrolls 1pp <135 Trivial
Hobgoblin Surprise 100pp <250 Trivial>
Brewing:- occasional big seller but mainly as baking i.e.
Planar Blood brew 2k <250 Trivial>
Tempers <varies> 50pp-5k+
Fletching:- Elemantal Bows sell for high pp and cultural and low planes for some
Nightmarewood compound 3-5k <250>
Obsidianwood compound 40-60k <250>
Primal driftwood compound 70-100k <250>
Jewelery:- if above 44 some staple low pp items that always move and Tier 3+ high pp items
Velium Fire wedding ring 600pp <250>
Gold pale nilite<sp?> earring 700pp <200>
Blood Metal earring of engagement 30k <250>
Pottery:-Steins and elemental totems and the occasional spiritstone.
Spirit stone of <insert god.> 5k <250>
Ceramic totem of Xygony 30k <250>
Smithing:- Huge profits from Cultural armour, planar smithing but very expencive <250k> to GM.
Cultural armour 5-20k per piece <250>
New GoD weapons 3-10 per piece <200+>
Tailoring:- silks and padding are the best way to make pp Imho. but if you really want to GM then expect to pay 200k+ if you don't farm. the rewards are huge with countless items to sell from acrilia studded to ice silk robes and caps all the way to elemental and GoD recipies.
i hope that helps somewhat.
GM Jeweler and 200+ in all tradskills within my two accounts <wife loves to tradeskill
> Thanks alot for the replies...very informative :)
Another thing I'd say would be how much money you can make will be dependent to some degree on server population.
I'm a smith. Only 198 skill right now, but I can use it as an example. I play on a heavily populated server. Which means there's lots of stuff for sale in the bazaar, and prices are pretty competetive.
By and large, the quality/price/quantity of stuff in the bazaar makes it pretty tough for me trying to sell sets of armor, which a lot of times costs considerable plat to make,and has far less stats than dropped items for sale.
On a signifcantly less popular server, I might be able to sell my goods at a better price.
Then there's augments and spell updates. Not much of a market for a tinkerer to make a buck seling rebreathers or aqualungs like in the pre-Luclin days.
As was stated previously, the best cash to be made is in doing combines for people who want stuff and don't have the skill. And even then, as also stated above, you'd probably want to master several tradeskills to maximize profit.
IMHO, tradeskills these days are mostly attractive for 2 reasons.
1. You want to be largely self sufficient.
2. Tradeskills give you enjoyment.
I'm a smith. Only 198 skill right now, but I can use it as an example. I play on a heavily populated server. Which means there's lots of stuff for sale in the bazaar, and prices are pretty competetive.
By and large, the quality/price/quantity of stuff in the bazaar makes it pretty tough for me trying to sell sets of armor, which a lot of times costs considerable plat to make,and has far less stats than dropped items for sale.
On a signifcantly less popular server, I might be able to sell my goods at a better price.
Then there's augments and spell updates. Not much of a market for a tinkerer to make a buck seling rebreathers or aqualungs like in the pre-Luclin days.
As was stated previously, the best cash to be made is in doing combines for people who want stuff and don't have the skill. And even then, as also stated above, you'd probably want to master several tradeskills to maximize profit.
IMHO, tradeskills these days are mostly attractive for 2 reasons.
1. You want to be largely self sufficient.
2. Tradeskills give you enjoyment.
one other thing to add is there are the tradeskills for the class and race specific - in particular are shamans for alchemy and gnomes for tinkering.
Both also offer some useful results
Tinkering you can make both weapons and armor at higher end levels (though REALLY expensive)
Alchemy makes the infamous sow potions - but there are some other good potions, namely the resist potions and gate potions.
It too is realy expensive to skill up
Don't forget if you have Gates of Discord, you can go to the Abysmal sea and work up any tradeskill from 0 - 54 for free - which for alchemy is enough to make sow potions trivial.
Both also offer some useful results
Tinkering you can make both weapons and armor at higher end levels (though REALLY expensive)
Alchemy makes the infamous sow potions - but there are some other good potions, namely the resist potions and gate potions.
It too is realy expensive to skill up
Don't forget if you have Gates of Discord, you can go to the Abysmal sea and work up any tradeskill from 0 - 54 for free - which for alchemy is enough to make sow potions trivial.
double ppost, sorry guys
Edited, Tue Apr 6 23:17:18 2004 by OldEQJunkie
Edited, Tue Apr 6 23:17:18 2004 by OldEQJunkie
didn't feel like reading every one's post so this might be a repeat.
IMO Jewlery is the best money making Trade skill at GM level. One that compares is smithing. Both take a crap load of PP to actually make it to GM level, more than you will probobly ever make doing the trade skill at all. But thats another story =)
Personally i stilll Pharm stuff =)
IMO Jewlery is the best money making Trade skill at GM level. One that compares is smithing. Both take a crap load of PP to actually make it to GM level, more than you will probobly ever make doing the trade skill at all. But thats another story =)
Personally i stilll Pharm stuff =)
Devilwind wrote:
Don't forget if you have Gates of Discord, you can go to the Abysmal sea and work up any tradeskill from 0 - 54
Is GoD worth it for someone who will stay under lvl 50 probably the whole of 2004 just for that TS incentive and the tribute system? (this way the newbie armor from my toons and the LOTS of no drop stuff from my new kitten could have some further use...)
PS: sorry for the hijacking ;-)
Edited, Wed Apr 7 05:38:39 2004 by Leiany
I think so.
On MR the market is more than a bit wierd. There is no easy way to boost stats for TS because of the prices, while at the same time the gear you would normally buy is massively higher in price. This means it is well worth making your own gear.
For my Beastlord - WIS 88 - to make decent tailored armour would have consumed vast quantities of the hides or silks I would need to level on. This would be silly on MR and probably cost more than the gear on sale. For example last night HQ hides were 80-150pp each. (I don't think they were selling but that is the way the market is)
I took my pair to AS and did the quests for free. I now have enough skill to make armour - albeit with a few fails - as I skill further.
I know I could farm hides and sell them for the plat to buy stat gear but
a) I enjoy making my own stuff for once.
and
b) I would really find it hard to part with 3500 for Brown Chitin legs when they are sub-500 everywhere else I play.
On the OP:
It's been said. The TS you can do easily won't make you a fortune and the ones that will will cost you 2 fortunes to master.
Also you are subject to the vaguaries of the game. As new items enter your chosen means of making cash may take a nosedive.
Do it for yourself. Do it for the quests. Do it so you can help people with combines.
On MR the market is more than a bit wierd. There is no easy way to boost stats for TS because of the prices, while at the same time the gear you would normally buy is massively higher in price. This means it is well worth making your own gear.
For my Beastlord - WIS 88 - to make decent tailored armour would have consumed vast quantities of the hides or silks I would need to level on. This would be silly on MR and probably cost more than the gear on sale. For example last night HQ hides were 80-150pp each. (I don't think they were selling but that is the way the market is)
I took my pair to AS and did the quests for free. I now have enough skill to make armour - albeit with a few fails - as I skill further.
I know I could farm hides and sell them for the plat to buy stat gear but
a) I enjoy making my own stuff for once.
and
b) I would really find it hard to part with 3500 for Brown Chitin legs when they are sub-500 everywhere else I play.
On the OP:
It's been said. The TS you can do easily won't make you a fortune and the ones that will will cost you 2 fortunes to master.
Also you are subject to the vaguaries of the game. As new items enter your chosen means of making cash may take a nosedive.
Do it for yourself. Do it for the quests. Do it so you can help people with combines.
Wherever I go - there I am.
Tailoring on MR can be expensive indeed but I found a perfect way to go up to 31 without using up the silks I could sell at the Bazaar.
I just kept Vendor farming Patches of Gnoll Fur(which no one seems to want) with my Halas Shaman Gal (the smith) for my tailoress. They cost about 3g per stack and work like that:
Gnoll Fur Patch = 4x patch of gnoll fur (triv 21)
Gnoll Fur Patch Quarter = 4x gnoll fur patch (triv 26)
Patched Gnoll Fur Bundle (Slot:BACK, AC:4, SV COLD:+5) = 4x gnoll fur patch quarter (triv 31)
It took about 80 stacks to get to 31 which did cost less than 25plat and left me with 5 of these cloaks which sold easily for 15p - at least on MR.
PS: I usually abstain from Vendor farming as it is the perfect boring way to spend online-time but at 64 pieces for 1(!) cloak its nearly impossible to get enough hunting (well, maybe if you camp in Black Burrow for a week it works.)
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Edited, Wed Apr 7 07:46:46 2004 by Leiany
I just kept Vendor farming Patches of Gnoll Fur(which no one seems to want) with my Halas Shaman Gal (the smith) for my tailoress. They cost about 3g per stack and work like that:
Gnoll Fur Patch = 4x patch of gnoll fur (triv 21)
Gnoll Fur Patch Quarter = 4x gnoll fur patch (triv 26)
Patched Gnoll Fur Bundle (Slot:BACK, AC:4, SV COLD:+5) = 4x gnoll fur patch quarter (triv 31)
It took about 80 stacks to get to 31 which did cost less than 25plat and left me with 5 of these cloaks which sold easily for 15p - at least on MR.
PS: I usually abstain from Vendor farming as it is the perfect boring way to spend online-time but at 64 pieces for 1(!) cloak its nearly impossible to get enough hunting (well, maybe if you camp in Black Burrow for a week it works.)
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Edited, Wed Apr 7 07:46:46 2004 by Leiany
I did the Gnoll Fur cloak long, long ago with my first rogue. And I farmed every last piece from those Gnolls. When training pickpocket you always seem to get the fluff out their pockets.
The Abysmal Sea quests are appallingly boring because you have to go on doing combines long after they have trivved in order to advance to the next stage. This is the cost of free training.
I would not use them for Baking, Pottery, Fletching or Brewing since those cost coppers to get to 54 anyway. I did Smithing, Tailoring and Jewelcraft by which time I was ready to climb the walls.
I will go back when my Shaman is of a level to do Alchemy since that is an expensive thing to practise and with SoW potions triv at 37, 54 should cover it. I seem to recall spending about 500pp getting to 37 the last time.
The Abysmal Sea quests are appallingly boring because you have to go on doing combines long after they have trivved in order to advance to the next stage. This is the cost of free training.
I would not use them for Baking, Pottery, Fletching or Brewing since those cost coppers to get to 54 anyway. I did Smithing, Tailoring and Jewelcraft by which time I was ready to climb the walls.
I will go back when my Shaman is of a level to do Alchemy since that is an expensive thing to practise and with SoW potions triv at 37, 54 should cover it. I seem to recall spending about 500pp getting to 37 the last time.
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