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#1 Mar 31 2004 at 10:30 PM Rating: Good
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My paladin hit 58 the other day.. after buffage I have around 5K HP's and 1150 AC. My fellow guildy ( who is a level 65 paladin) said do not even THINK of doing tanking in POV until level 61+.. DAMN! A guild cleric was there at level 55.. Grrrr!!

My plan for now is when I get to level 59 (the level at which my skills stop rising due to hitting their maxes) to get some AA's.. stamina X 3 to finish off my Baron title, then CA1, CS1, and ND1.. then go for level 60.. then see how I do..

Until then I will see a lot of Velks and LDONS...
#2 Apr 01 2004 at 12:11 AM Rating: Decent
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Ignore him and go see if you can get a group, i was in PoV at 57 with lower AC and HP than you.
#3 Apr 01 2004 at 2:51 AM Rating: Good
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With 5k hp you should tank ok even at your level. You'll still need more healing than higher level tanks due to that mobs will hit you more frequent and more max hits. You take a little risk of dying by going there early; if you don't die too much, you'll get great exp. On the other hand if you end up dying every 20 mins then exp will be poor for the whole group (not because the lost exp from death, but the downtime caused by the deaths, CRs and rebuffs).

Look into other zones than PoV for exp at mid 50's. Sol C, Veksar, PoN higher level camps, PoI deeper in, CoD etc all can be very good exp.
#4 Apr 01 2004 at 5:21 AM Rating: Decent
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You will not know until you try. Sounds like you have decent gear for your level, however you are a little bit low for PoV, I think you may have a bit of a rough time. PoV is tuned for 60+ characters, in line with the PoJ trials. A cleric can get away with it, because Complete Heal is Complete Heal regardless of level.

But, go for it, you will know after the first few mobs. You may find it hard to get a group though.
#5 Apr 01 2004 at 5:24 AM Rating: Decent
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By the way, I really would advise you to keep levelling instead of pausing to do AAs. Gaining levels gives you more power than gaining defensive AAs. Plus, generally the higher level you are, the quicker you will get AAs. At least get to 62 so that you can open up more hunting grounds (such as BoT and Tactics).

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#6 Apr 01 2004 at 6:30 AM Rating: Decent
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I have read all the posts about levels >> AA.. and I generally agree, but once I hit level 59 my skills will max out.. gaing move levels will not gain me any more skills.. I will get more HP and mana.. but leveling is such a treadmill..

I sort of just want to stop and smell the roses a bit.. and some defensive AA's will make it a bit easier for me and make me less of a "paper tank". This is my 1st character.. I just do not have the gear.. or desire/patient to farm plat to get some of that gear.. I will continue to do LDONS to get gear that way.. It is also a bit of a pyshological thing for me.. I FEEL like I am advancing each time I hear that DING for an AA advancement..
#7 Apr 01 2004 at 7:43 AM Rating: Decent
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but once I hit level 59 my skills will max out.. gaing move levels will not gain me any more skills.. I will get more HP and mana.. but leveling is such a treadmill..
Atually Defence and Weapons slikks max out at 60. I see your point about stopping for AA but honestly levels are more important and it's a lot easier to get groups at 60 than it is at 59, especially LDoN.

59 is hell on earth btw took me longer to get 25% in 59 than the whole of 60.
#8 Apr 01 2004 at 9:57 AM Rating: Decent
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Once you get 60, getting 61 is really fast. I did 60 in one evening of LDoNs. 59 was months for me.

But, I also play like Thurvok does. Levels are fine and all, but sometimes I have the urge to have something the AA has to offer, and I don't want to wait until I am 65. For one thing, I might not get to 65; boredom at high levels isn't exactly an unknown issue. What AA's do give you is a much better sense of accomplishment when exp is getting annoying to build up.

I switch back and forth, and I have never regretted the AA's I have gotten and spent.

59 is a terrible level, and if you can make part of it more fun for yourself by stopping along the way for them its just fine. Its not like they don't apply until you are 65.

Edited, Thu Apr 1 09:58:38 2004 by Trellium
#9 Apr 01 2004 at 10:41 AM Rating: Default
Levelling to 60 gets you more groups and hence makes levelling to 61 etc... easier.

Most people will pick a tank purely on level.

As far as POV is concerned, at your current level the mobs are going to need to be slowed mighty quick and a resist or two in a row might mean death.
#10 Apr 01 2004 at 1:55 PM Rating: Decent
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If your desire is to be a MT then my recommendation is to level up. Your skills are not the only things to look at. Your damage output and mitigation change at 60, 63 and then lastly at 65. Groups will take a 62 tank into a LDoN when they are 65 as well because you will not change the average group level and therefore drop the point reward.

You mention being a "paper tank" but most folks will take a 65 ok geared tank versus a 59-60 nicely geared tank on a hunt. You have to be a tank 1st, then worry if you are paper or not. That is fairly easy to tell by the way. You will often see:

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#11 Apr 01 2004 at 3:23 PM Rating: Decent
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And of course as a spell-casting class, you need to look at the spells you can get. I levelled my Beastlord to 65 before starting on AAs seriously because the spells were so freaking useful. Right now I'm never lfg for long at all because of the 65% slow I got at level 65. So take a look at the spells that you can achieve before you decide to stop and do AAs, is my advice. From what I have seen, the only class that most people think NEEDS to stop and get AAs is the Ranger, for the EQ/AM3 AA abilities. And even then, last night I was grouped with a 65 Ranger who was a Baron, so it's obviously not "required".

But back to PoV tanking...when fully buffed, my Beastlord has about 5k hp and ~900 AC. My only defensive AA is Combat Agility 1 (2% melee avoidance), although I am working on getting that up to 3 (which will be 10% avoidance). Just the other night I tanked in PoV fairly well while our normal tank was running to PoK, and with a 61 druid healer too...really, getting those mobs slowed is key. And me having my 65% slow, and also being a high level, so I get fewer resists...makes a quite large difference. Heh, that's another benefit of levelling: fewer resist on your stuns, assuming they can be resisted (I have no idea, but would assume so).

But then again I was getting groups in PoV from 55 just because of my dps. So, I might not really be able to appreciate your predicament.

Game on,

The Oneiromancer
#12 Apr 01 2004 at 5:02 PM Rating: Decent
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My only Sugesion to you would be make sure you have somone that can slow the mobs. Other then that you should be fine as long as you lisen to you CLR and check on how mana is before pulls...GL man hope you injoy Valor
#13 Apr 01 2004 at 7:01 PM Rating: Good
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You probably can tank in PoV. Not as well as someone higher level, but you can. You've got about the right hp/ac for your level, so no real worries there. I'd stick to the caves though. Golems and spiders hit *hard* and a cleric will have a hard time keeping you alive long enough for a slow to land.

My general thoughts on AAs are "do what you'll have the most fun doing". I took a couple breaks from leveling to do AAs for exactly that reason (I think I got CA1 before just grinding up to 65, so hardly stellar). Having said that, the levels really will matter more then the AAs. You could get to level 61 in the time it'll take you to grind out maybe 7 or 8 AAs. The difference between 58 and 61 in terms of general damage taken is going to be more then what you'll get for those AAs even if you could focus purely on defensive abilities. Part of the damage equation is relative level. It's pretty noticable really.

You can certainly probably stick it out a couple more levels in PoN, but it's probably already starting to wane in terms of exp (docks is still pretty decent there IMO). Honestly, from about 58 to 63, I spent most of my time either tanking in LDoN groups, or being the "backup tank" for groups (which is much easier to do in a guild group as a paladin!). You will see a change once you hit about 63ish, and PoV will become your stomping grounds.


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#14 Apr 01 2004 at 8:39 PM Rating: Decent
I dont know how much relevance this will have but I belive that you will be fine in PoV as a tank but......Like has been said the key is getting the mob slowed fast! I was there as a 63bst my group was running to a spot not commonly camped when we agroed a golem. The shammy managed to get a slow on it and I sicked my pet on it. Then the shammy died because my pet could not get agro fast enough. The rest of the group took off for zone when an add attacked the cleric. So there I am all alone with my pet killing a golem solo. I was FoM when I started and OOM when I finished the pet was down to 20% life and I was at about 45% but I guess the point is if I am a Bst with less than 4500 hp and 970 ac and my pet had about a little over 4k hp at the time and I could take one down with only a slow from a shammy then you should be able to tank fine there with a decent group to give you good DPS and drop the mobs fast. Oh ya and a good slow to keep you from getting hit so fast. I would suggest you just try and see what happens. As far as aa goes I would level at least to 61 before you do too many aa. When you are LFG all people see is your level not that you have 40aa's to go with it. I went all the way to 65 and only had 8 aa points now I get at least one a night sometimes 2 if I get the right groups. Well I hope this helps some.

Gotania Hottkitty
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#15 Apr 01 2004 at 9:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Your damage output and mitigation change at 60, 63 and then lastly at 65.
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Please explain about this.. I have never heard about this.. How does it work exactly?. Is there anywhere I can read about this??

Anyone know by what % my damage goes up and amount I take go down.. With the additional spells, HP/Mana I would get per level I may diffently revaluate my AA plans..
#16 Apr 04 2004 at 7:40 AM Rating: Decent
I will admit that my playing style is diffrent than most people who post here. I started doing 30% AA as soon as i could. I did this for a number of reasons.
1. I wasn't nor have i ever been in that big of hurry to get to lvl 65.
2. 90% of the time I play my warrior i have a group/raid set up before I log on.
3. There are some very cool things you can get with AA's.
4. Some of the folks in my normal group were not lvling as fast as i was and I used the AA to keep us close in lvl.

It is true that you will lvl slower, however if you feel you have a weekness that can be fixed by spending some exp in AA, and don't fix it then you will not feel as good about your Paly, and will enjoy the game less. So if taking a little extra time to lvl up is ok, expesely if it makes you feel better about your toon.

Personlly I never regreted the time I spent to get AA before reaching lvl 65. And I had over 50 by the time i Ding 65.

Sure my path was the road less taken, but for me it was also the more enjoyable journy.
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