What ever happened to being nice in EQFollow

i agree with this wholeheartedly but i do have to say one thing whenever i am in a zone and see a lot of people lfg i always suggest they should all get together levels permitting of course a lot of times people are doing other thing while spamming their lfg hotkey and dont see the other ooc's for lfg they are just waitng for that tell message to come up

I too agree. Things just are not what they used to be. I also play on Veeshan and see what you are talking about. Players seem to not know how to be nice and are only in it for their own personal gain. Well, that was a huge over generalization. Most seem to be in it for their own personal gain. Adventuring as seem to left the game. I have been playing since per Kunark, and my main is only a lvl 53 shammy. Vacuna is only 53 because I have spent alot of time out and about exploring the world. It seems that most are just in it for the exp grinding so that they can be 65 as soon as they can be. I miss the days of just playing with friends, exploring, and yes dieing. I cannot count the places I have died, not just PC and DL. Oh well, that is just the change of the game.


PS-- I miss waiting for the Boat

Vacuna 53rd summer Shaman
Wacuna 43rd summer Bard

well i havent been playing all that long, i started when velious first came out... Dec 2001... but yes i have seen what you are talking about, that is why when stormhammer first came out it was a life saver. it was like going back in time when EQ was fun again. well now stormhammer is just like any other server cept you pay more lol. i moved to this new server im sure you have heard of, Morden Rasp... well i have to say it is interesting... when i log on and do /who all 65 lfg usually im the only one lfg. that is the only sad thing. i have been on the server for about 2 weeks and havent gotten one exp group. i am starting to miss the mean people, atleast on my old server i wasnt bored out of my mind. soloing can get real old after awhile, i havent been able to do any of the fabled mobs cause i cant seem to get a group together... im about rdy to pay 75 more dollars to move back to Prexus.

From what I'm hearing, the lack of courtesy some people run into continues right into level 65. It really has nothing to do with the level of the players.

A player either cares about courtesy and fair play or they don't. Of course, when you're protected by the anonimity of a computer screen, you're free to act as rudely as you like with (most likely) no repurcussions except perhaps a momentarily tarnished reputation.

P.S. I still encounter many more nice people than rude ones. Whenn you encounter people who are being rude, don't prolong the encounter and don't dwell on their bad behavior. Why tarnish your play time thinking about the occasional jerk who, I assure you, isn't thinking about you?

Edited, Thu Mar 25 10:29:49 2004 by Yanari

Actually, having played from 1999, I'd have to agree that rudeness is a little more prevelant. Okay, maybe not out and out rudeness, but a noticable lack of manners in some players.

I've noticed a sharp increase in the past year, but before that it was okay. *shrugs*

I have played since the beginning and I think over all things are not as polite as they used to be. I will say that camp fights seemed more prevelent in the early days though...but there were reasons for that(i.e. fewer places per level to fight).

Remember when you would pass someone on a road somewhere in the middle of nowhere and you would hail them. Chat about where you were going and what you were doing. Buffing each other. On numerous occasions I would end up grouping with that person and going with them to wherever they were going or the other way around. When me and my friends would group, as we boated and ran in from all over, we'd pick up a couple more for our groups on the way.

Guilding was all about making friends and having friends to group with. Raiding was so far off for most, as getting to 50, which was the cap back then, was not something that occured in the space of a couple of weeks. So a guild was to make friends and have a channel for friends to all chat on to organize groups or just BS.

Camp checks and pick up groups were much more common...and I am not including LDON...that is all about pick up groups. The difference is that in LDON you gather, head for the adventure and fight until done and then either do another or leave. The most social some groups get is trying to impress each other by linking their twinked items to each other. Not like camping a mob where you chat and get to know each other...change plans ("Hey, lets go kill Najena!" "Yeah, let's go!")

(OK, let me rant here a minute. Do you not hate it when you get into a group and there is that one guy with all twinked gear who wants to link each and every item and boast about it. Gets old. Best way to shut them up is to start asking where it dropped...or if you know ask him how he killed whatever to get it. I made a guy feel real bad about one item. I said that I heard it was a lot of fun fighting where that dropped and that it was quite a rare drop...he must have had a lot of fun doing it? He told me me, after a pause, no, bought it for 12K in the bazaar. I said Oh, what a shame. He quit lknking his uber stuff to me. incidentally he also sucked and almost got the group wiped...good thing he had all of that gear! Used to be when we looked at each other's items, we had a story as to how we got it...and it rarely included buying it.)

I believe EQ was a much more social game in the beginning. But I have managed to keep friends and find new ones who are more interested in making friends and adventuring than leveling.



**OK, I realize making that guy feel bad is an example of being rude! hehe but he was annoying everyone else in the group and everyone was private telling each other they wish he would stop. So actually what I did was a courtesy to my group! :-)

Edited, Wed Mar 24 13:06:59 2004 by lhuffman

Heh, the days of being nice are pretty much gone from the Lanys Server also. I know that camps are only player recognized and not SoE recognized. But on Lanys its pretty much you kill it now (mainly if it is a named mob mind you) or be prepared to have another group run past you and kill it themselves. Granted it is mainly one or two set groups or people who do this.
Pretty much if you are in an "uber" guild you can do what you want without much reprocussion. Especially since GM's are almost non-existent on our server.
Another prevelant problem is that there are way too many damn people who don't know how to play their class...especially too many lvl 65's. PL'ing has really hurt making someone a skilled player.
Seems like todays game is just about greed and not about having fun or helping others.

Edited, Wed Mar 24 14:41:57 2004 by KalailEvenstar

I think the game has become too easy for new players than when the game first started. Five years ago you had to work at things, but now everything is handed to newbies from the moment they login. Back in the day when I got a buff I thanked and thanked the person because I'm polite, but also so that they'd be more inclined to buff me again sometime. =)
Today, I've noticed that when I buff newbies, they could care less, maybe because they have high level friends that buffed them already, maybe they're twinked, or maybe they're too new to know what I did to them. Who knows. Point being that a good portion of newbies just don't care if they get buffed again because they don't seem to need it. That's only my observation and I'm sure the rude people will point out my errors. =P

Ahh well, can't agree.

For the most part they are still alive and kicking at least on rodcet anyway.

You always, will meet rude people, but it goes in phases, I think what with all the renewed accounts there are maybe a few around at the moment (in fact, I reported someone for the first time in two years over the weekend, then beat myself up over it), but the old and new staples of helping each other remain. I love buffing when i can, and still am amazed at the buffs help i get for no payback aceept a payforward iou .. The payforward mentality is really eq for me, pass it forward.


The MGBs in PoK, and the caster that will not take a bean.

The Virtue, someone casts on you when you grouped for KEI, and will not take a bean.

Heck .. even the calls on the aniversary stuff that drops.

The banter on a good night in any zone.

Its all still there.




that makes me smile, most people think im nuts because i want to earn everything i get ..... on the neagtive side it also has a tendency to make me group-shy, I really don't want anybody comparing my kit to what they have, I know I can and do more than hold my own, but I have always hated the "the my weapon is bigger than your weapon" mentality. FFS its what you DO with the weapon that counts. Isnt it ?

I agree with the time rotation. I normaly play around 8am-5pm pst, most are ok. If I do play at night, wow what a diffrence. I still love to play though! I love helping out newbies, I think it is our moral duty to due such. I remember day one, 5 years ago. I had just crawled out of halas with no idea were I was going. I rounded the bend to the outside world, and said "holy S#$%!!" I was lost and clue less. Luckly some much older shammy, about 25, took pitty on me and hit me with a few buffs. I though that SOW was the best thing since sliced bread. Ever since that random act of kindness, I have felt the need to help others. Infact I like to think that that is the halmark of my main char. I try my best to protect my casters, they are my brothers-in-spells, I always slow my mob, and do my shammanly duty. But... it seams that new players are handed things too easily and quickly. I must have spent a week bouncing between 19 and 20. I very quickly had to learn the art of the CR. I had to know a zone without a map. I had to know how to get places without ports (naked and no money). People used to group just for doing somthing new, not just for experience. I hate hering "my exp is not going fast enough!! I am leaving." Now thing just seem to go so fast. I made an alt, did not twink him and was at lvl 43 in 2 weeks. I was amazed! Oh well, the times might change, but I still play cuz I the game is great and I still find the people I enjoy playing with.

Vacuna 53 Shammy
Wacuna 43 Bard

Tis True. I have played EQ for 2 years and I haven't found to many people who want to group. Then again almost everytime I do group there is never an outline of who does what. Very chaotic, and then everyone dies. I have been privileged to be in a few Excellent groups and everyone knows how to work thier character. Then the game is wonderful, (sigh) if only it was always that way. (And we all know that will never happen.)

***** off

The secret is to keep a list of the names of the people in the "good" groups.

Then start your own groups and invite the people on your list.

In a full group, most of the time if you can get at least three members from your "good" list, their influence sets the tone and the strangers usually perform pretty good too. Of course you put the better ones of your "good" list, so eventually you will have a wide range of players from your time slot that you can call on to form a really good group.

When you form groups like this, and you have the misfortune of accidentally inviting a peanut, because most of the group members know you well they are more likely to help you sort the bad player out. Nothing sorts the wayward monk or ranger out quicker than having two or three of the group telling him to pull his head in and then geting a polite private tell from you as leader.