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Fabled jboots officially nerfedFollow

#1 Mar 23 2004 at 4:56 PM Rating: Decent
Now self only bludstrutter's blessing. There goes my 20 hours of camping down the drain. Bet people who chose not to camp it are really happy now.
#2 Mar 23 2004 at 5:28 PM Rating: Default
bludstrutters blessing? im guessing this is a slower version of sow but faster than jboots? im glad i didnt wait in the que for em now =p

Edited, Tue Mar 23 17:30:00 2004 by sickseventwenty
#3 Mar 23 2004 at 5:37 PM Rating: Good
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If you didn't see that they were going to make it self only before the "nerf", then you need to get your head examined. That was obviously a mistake. Everyone with half a brain knew it.

I would assume that the bludstrutter's blessing is probably sow speed. They just had to rename the spell since the normal sow spell effect can be cast on others. If they had an effect of "spirit of the wolf", it would have to be the same as the normal spirit of the wolf spell.

Um... Why on earth did a druid camp for that for 20 hours? You do know you already get the spell, right?...
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#4 Mar 23 2004 at 5:42 PM Rating: Decent
I'm not a druid I'm a 56 necro and I like to cast it on my pet. With all the sow items in the game I don't see why it was such a big deal to be able to cast on others.
#5 Mar 23 2004 at 5:59 PM Rating: Good
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DruidOfEq wrote:
I'm not a druid I'm a 56 necro and I like to cast it on my pet. With all the sow items in the game I don't see why it was such a big deal to be able to cast on others.


All the sow items in the game? Um... List please? There are very few sow items in the game. They are almost all self only. Most of them have a casting time, or charges. Why would you think that an instant cast targettable sow in a relatively easy to get item would be "ok"?
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#6 Mar 23 2004 at 6:02 PM Rating: Decent
Well what I guess I mean to say is pretty much everyone has sow nowadays or something close to it. For example 10 dose blood of the wolf potions or the original jboots. There are two items in the game with short casting times at high levels that can be cast on other players. One is a ring and the other is boots. There is also run speed 3 and now 5 which is as fast as these boots so whats the point on having them at all?
#7 Mar 23 2004 at 6:05 PM Rating: Decent
BTW it wasn't exactly easy to get these boots. Lots of people were camping them and considering the mobs wont pop when the event is over not many people will have the boots so it's not like everyone is going to have them.
#8 Mar 23 2004 at 6:08 PM Rating: Good
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Um... Because potions cost money (yeah, imagine that! some people still care about money). Tboots cost money. The "Fabled" version of the Jboots are supposed to be a slightly better version of the same thing. Think it through. Jboots never allowed you to cast sow. They allowed you to run faster via a special effect (but not as fast as sow). The fabled Jboots are just like the original except you get to run faster with them on then not.


The point is to avoid having items that completely duplicate or replace class specific spells. Being able to use an item or get an AA that allowed *you* to move faster is one thing. Giving folks an item that allows anyone to cast sow, not just on themselves, but anyone else, removes the uniqness of that spell from everyone else.


You play a necro, right? How would you feel if there was an all/all item that allowed anyone to summon the level 65 necro pet? Or FD? Or Lich? Think about it...
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#9 Mar 23 2004 at 6:12 PM Rating: Decent
Well like I said there are two items you can get that have clicky sow in the game which I will work on getting once I reach 60+. BTW there is a clicky clinging darkness neck item for clerics only. Great that there are no clicky darkness items for necro's except for the epic. Wonderful and like I said the event will end so it's not like everyone will be walking around with a pair and be able to cast sow just like there aren't a lot of people walking around with the sow ring or boots that have been available for a while now.
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King in Warrens drops a clicky Darkness item Smiley: wink

Bootstrutter's Blessing is a 50% Self only
Spirit of Wolf (at best) is targetted 55%

Not that much of a change in speed, and I agree targetted casting was a bit much.
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#11 Mar 23 2004 at 7:50 PM Rating: Decent
The ring has charges. The cleric neck piece is unlimeted. Personaly I would have rather had it be less to speed % and have it be targetable.
#12 Mar 23 2004 at 8:45 PM Rating: Default
Why don't we put an unlimited Selo's clicky and an unlimited FD clickie while we're at it?
#13 Mar 23 2004 at 8:49 PM Rating: Decent
There is already run 5 5% less speed then sow. Like I said why not just have it be less to speed % and let it be targetable. There is already unlimeted clickable sow all/all. Granted it's harder to get, but it's getable.
#14 Mar 23 2004 at 9:44 PM Rating: Decent

It still sucks.
Ok, from my persective as a chanter. I spent 14 hours in the camp, but picked a great time for it, from what I see its the lowest timeframe I've seen. Not excactly a small investment, and hardly what I would call 'easy'. I could 'easily' make 200-300 pp per hours and buy myself 600 total doses of sow potions (not exagerating, do the math), providing a total of 360 hours worth of sow usable on myself or whoever I want to had a dose to. I chose to get the boots because I do a lot of 'puttering' and tradeskills and whatnot, and I decided that in the longrun, 360 hours worth of sow is less than what I would use by the end of my characters career.
I already have access to illusion scaled wolf for 45% movement, or run 3 for 30% without even bothering to do anything. I got the boots because it was enough faster to feel useful and was handly to help friends that didnt have sow.
If people feel that Druids / shamans / rangers / beastlords / anyone with a potion were getting shafted by adding in fabled jboots, then why were they all in line with thier alts?
I do agree that they were powerful, but not nearly as overpowered as people seem to feel they are, at best they are a monetary savings or a convienience. But they did not need a triple nerf any way you slice it. If they remained fast enough to be worth something to people with full run aa and not been useable on others, I'd accept it. If they remained usable on friends but lost the big speed, I would have accepted it, but both was overkill, and no matter how they nerfed it, cutting the duration in half to 18 minutes is just malicious and unnessasary on top of the other nerfs.

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#15 Mar 23 2004 at 9:53 PM Rating: Good
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Ok. Let me repeat this: They never intended for the fabled boots to be useable on others. It was a mistake. They've corrected it. End of story.

The first post I ever saw about the fabled Jboots, mentioned that it gave full sow speed and was targettable on others. It also said that the targettable on others part was probably a mistake and would be removed. Every sane person I know who saw that item agreed with the assessment. The fact that it was not self-only was very clearly a mistake and everyone I talked to agreed that it would likely be fixed in the next patch. Lo and behold! It was.


Guys. It took you exactly zero more time to camp for the Fabled Jboots then it took for folks to camp for the "original" Jboots back in the day. What the hell are you complaining about? They are Jboots with a faster run speed increase. That's why you should have been camping them. For the insta click sow speed. Not because it was targettable on others. If that's why you camped it, and you honestly didn't make the connection that since the original was self only that likely the targetable aspect was a mistake, then I'm sorry. You got duped. Deal with it. It really wasn't that hard to see this one coming folks...
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#16 Mar 23 2004 at 10:10 PM Rating: Decent
Well it was a big oversight and considering they are fabled them being targetable wasn't out of the question just because the first ones weren't. Thing is if they had payed attention to what they were doing when they made the boots then there wouldn't have been 10 to 30 people setting up camp in najena at a time and wouldn't have crushed peoples hopes in the first place. It's giving a child a new toy and then taking it away.
#17 Mar 23 2004 at 10:31 PM Rating: Good
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Emphasis on "child". Not that I'm slaming you directly, but sometimes, folks should have a feel for what's reasonable and what isn't. A targettable, instant cast, full speed sow clicky item sure sounds a bit too good to be true to me.

All the fabled items were beefed up versions of the originals. They did not do "new" stuff. The fabled FBSS had better stats and a higher haste. It did not allow the user to cast haste on someone else.

I agree. They shouldn't have made the mistake in the first place. Maybe if they hadn't, then there wouldn't have been lines of folks who wanted the item just so they could cast sow on their pets, so the folks who maybe needed a self only sow item *for themselves* and would have been overjoyed to have a self only sow item could have gotten a chance to get one.

I don't really feel sorry at all for the folks who camped it and got the item only to find out that it's been changed to self only. I do feel sorry for the folks who would have loved to have had a simple upgraded pair of Jboots but couldn't because others didn't realize it was supposed to just be a faster pair of Jboots.

Heck. They nerfed the original Jboots drop in Najena because it made that item too easy to get and substituted a quest instead. That should have been a big hint about how SOE views items like that. Folks spend hours and hours doing the quest for the normal Jboots, and consider it worth the time. I personally estimate that my wizard spent about 20 hours total doing the quest. So I don't really have a whole lot of pity for those who spent 20 hours camping a mob in Najena for an item that is vastly better then the original just because it doesn't also allow one to cast sow instead of just gain the effect on themselves.
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#18 Mar 23 2004 at 11:35 PM Rating: Good
Clicky FD with unlimited charges... YES PLEASE!

Yes SOE sucks big time for not giving me this. Screwed us again Smiley: rolleyes
#19 Mar 24 2004 at 12:15 AM Rating: Decent
hey did not do "new" stuff. - your kidding right?

besides the obvious changes on almost every item as far as who can use it, ie mithril BP for chain classes, etc. The Ishva robe has ID4 and FT1, compared to its level 2 focus effect (which wasnt ID2, but I forget what it was). anything with an effect got upgraded, mithril 2 hander got vengence 8, withering staff and treant staff have higher level effects, the treant staff gaining a damaging root, these are noticeable changes and 'new' stuff. There was no reason to believe that the sow boots weren't possible.

Dont get me wrong, I expected a nerf, I'm just upset by the triple nerf, when any one of the main 2 would have put it at a more reasonable level, and the third was just pointless.

As it stands now, no-one that has normal Jboots will want this crap, +3 to a few stats isnt enough to wear it, and 10% more run speed isnt gonna cut it either. would have been nice to see it get the kinda utility makeover that things like the ishva robe, fbss, and mithril BP got. Forgive us 'stupid people that should have seen it coming' for hoping it had.

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#20 Mar 24 2004 at 2:25 AM Rating: Good
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I think the whole point should be, these are nice items that are being put in the game to celebrate everquest's fifth anniversary. Why not just enjoy the fact that you were able to get a "trophy" of the celebration, since a huge number of people won't.

Being an enchanter, I'd love to have a pair of these boots, although I'll never have the chance(It's currently a 20-30hour camp on my server and I cannot and will not spend that much time camping a mob to get the drop). If they got nerfed so that you can no longer cast on someone, hey that sucks, but it's still better than what a lot of people will have when this celebration is over.
#21 Mar 24 2004 at 3:33 AM Rating: Decent
one word gbaji: Decaf!

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Edited, Wed Mar 24 03:34:37 2004 by BeedlebrowStinkfoot
#22 Mar 24 2004 at 4:29 AM Rating: Decent
gbaji said
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Um... Why on earth did a druid camp for that for 20 hours? You do know you already get the spell, right?...


druidofeq said

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I'm not a druid I'm a 56 necro


i dont understand... why did you assume he was a druid gbaji?



Edited, Wed Mar 24 05:07:19 2004 by mkbailey
#23 Mar 24 2004 at 5:20 PM Rating: Decent
Just to clear up I have a 52 druid alt, but I don't play him anymore. So far I haven't figured out a way to change my account name to something else. Overall I'm over this nerf as it's still nicer then my normal jboots and I don't plan on doing any AAs until level 65 so they should remain usefull for a while.
#24 Mar 25 2004 at 10:00 AM Rating: Decent
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/agree danreynolds. SOE didn't have to let Fabled items drop in the first place, so quit ******** about them nerfing.
#25 Mar 25 2004 at 11:30 AM Rating: Decent
Bootstrutter's Blessing will not overwrite Spirit of the Wolf, and it is a lesser movement modification, now. From what I understand, SoW is 55% and Bootstrutter's is now somewhere around 40-45%.

This would have been a nice perk for participating in the 5th anniversary event, that is until the nerf. The boots are only available for a limited time, so I don't see as how they would be that unbalancing if the effect remained SoW. Granted, everyone saw the "self-only" nerf from a mile away, though.

Since RS5 is 50%, this item becomes obsolete upon attaining RS5. I spent 30 hours camping the boots on Rallos, only to be CC'd overnight upon reaching the third spot in line. That was the last straw as far as me and Rallos (I grew tired of people that PvP not as a roleplay device but to get their jollies in causing others grief.)...I signed up for Legends and transferred to Stormhammer. There I spent another 20 hours to finally get the boots.

An extra $30 and 50 hours later, I would like to extend my most heartfelt thanks to the SoE team for wasting my time and money. Cheers!
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You transferred to Stormhammer just to get some boots in the game? I don't think it's SOE who's wasting your money. Unless you transferred for other reasons, in which case your $30 point is moot.

Bootstrutter's Blessing is 50% movement increase, per Lucy.

Edited, Thu Mar 25 11:48:25 2004 by Jophiel
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