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Yes, my brother and I have had Ornate patterns sell immediately in the bazaar. We dont sell many, just a couple a month, but we have learned that if we ask what seems to us to be a fair and resonable price, it is gone instantly. For something not to sell instantly to the Bots, we have to price it the same as the rest of the over-priced stuff. Needless to say, guildies and alts and friends are getting decked out rather than us do this. BTW, we are NOT in a guild that is in the elemental planes yet.

I can, unfortunatly confirm the existance of the program listed in the O.P. Here's how it works:

The bazaar is set up in a unique way from any other zone. Each item in the zone on each player vendor is contained on a list, with positional data, name of trader, price of item, and assorted other pieces of data. All this data is easily extractable using methods similar to how the EQ item collector works.

Once the evil plat seller has the position of whoever is selling the item in question that meets his filter criteria (i.e. buy fishing grub at 3 trillion pp on tuesdays) he simply has his character automatically go to that location. There are two ways to do this.

The bazaar doesn't change shape, so our plat scammer can simply program in the locations of walls and obsticles. Then he has a choice. program it so his character walks to the appropriate location normally, taking slightly longer but being less detectable, or they can make use of a legacy lag issue dating back to when EQ was first programmed.

The everquest servers in the beginning were fairly laggy. People would be groupped up and running to a destination, when one of the party would have intermitant lag. If they made it so that as soon as the server lost connection, you position was fixed, the party member would soon be far behind. What they did instead was to put a linkdeat timer in place, and set the server to accept positional data from the local computer during any periods of lag that did not result in linkdeath. You have probably seen this before, whenever you see some character that appears to be walking into a wall in a tunnel with alot of twists and turns

Our plat scammer just uses this trick to go through the walls and obsticals. They ahve the wall position programmed in, they have a line between their loc and the loc of the seller, all the computer needs to do is time when to temporarily block connection so they can effectivly warp. Faster, but more noticable. For a bard, you can use this to get from one side of the bazaar to the other without going linkdead.


It's annoying, and there isn't really any easy way to catch it short of SoE planting some sting operatives. Maybe have someone set up in the bazaar with an item for sale, see who comes and gets it, then have someone watch that person and log thier path while a second item is placed for sale at the same price. if they follow the exact same path, bingo!

If you don't know Ige bought out Yantis and is making him their new CEO. I'm sick of all this, as far as I can see, EQ is an old dead game which SOE is trying to milk for all it's worth. The EQ player base are so fanatical that they will never quit playing this game no matters how bad things get. Even worse the player base is always looking for someone else to fix their problems ie(why doesn't SOE do something). Fact is most players don't give a damn as long as they can continue to do what they are doing they could care less.
This game is still around because the players keep it alive. If people are really serious about getting SOE attention.
WE CAN HAVE A MASSIVE PLAYERS STRIKE. WE COULD PICK 1 DAY AND NO PLAYER WOULD LOG IN FOR 24 HOURS THAT WOULD GET SONY ATTENTION BIG TIME. Remember before when you were at server select screen it would show how many players were on. that numer would lots of time be at 100,000. Now with a strike if that number were to drop to say 20000 total. You don't think anyone would notice that.
A few people sending /reports, petitions, etc. would not change anything. If anything you will brand yourself as a troublemaker in SONY eyes. If it was really a big deal everyone would complain about it. It like the classic worker who brave enough to make big noise in a company, when everyone knows that what he/she is saying is true, but they won't back him/her up for fear of losing their job.
We don't have to be nervous about losing our job with SONY. Remember we pay them to play Everquest, Planetside, Star wars, and the upcoming Everquest II.
DOES EVERYONE REALLY BELIEVE THAT WHEN EVERQUEST II COMES OUT THAT EVERYTHING WILL BE OKAY. I HATE TO BURST YOUR BUBBLE JUST AS MOST PLAYERS ARE WAITING FOR EQ2 THE EXPLOITERS ARE WANTING IT MORE THAN YOU. EQ2 HAS LOTS OF FEATURES THAT ARE IN DAoC SUCH AS PLAYER HOUSING, HAVING PLAYERS REPAIR YOUR ARMOR, ETC. ALL THESE ITEMS ARE MONEY MAKER. I GUARANTEE YOU THAT IN 1 MONTH OR LESS THAT YOU WILL SEE STUFF BEING SOLD FOR EQ2 ON WEBSITES. IF THESE PEOPLE BECAME RICH BY DOING THIS AND THEY HAVE HAD NO LEGAL CONSEQUENCE FROM IT, WHY STOP. THEY WILL KEEP GOING ON. THEY DID IT WITH STAR WARS AND THEY WILL DO IT WITH EVERY GAME THAT SONY BRINGS OUT AND OTHER COMPANIES AS WELL.
Ige list has the following games: Everquest, DAoC, Star Wars, Final Fantasy XI, Ultima online, Second life. It has the following as partners: Caster Realm, EQ Interface, EQ prices, Game Guides online, Kleptom Guides
The Sony universe as far as games are concern is so CORRUPT it not funny. THEY HAVE DONE NOTHING, beacuase they can't or won't the result is the same. NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE.
I will play EQ2 when it comes out. But if EQ2 becomes like EQ I will quit it so fast. I am not going to be a EQ FANATIC that continues to pray at SONY altar even when after it has hit an iceberg and is on fire and sinking fast. IF SONY CAN'T CONTROL WHAT HAPPENS TO THEIR GAMES I DON'T WANT ANY PART OF IT. ALL GOOD THINGS COME TO A END. NOTHING LIVES FOREVER. I love EQ and will never forget it. But by the same token I can't ignore what is happening now. If when EQ2 comes out it is still business as usual I gone. I'm sure no one here will miss me, but that okay it's my life and my money. I chose what to do with it. Remember you are either part of the solution or the problem. Do nothing and you have forfeit your rights. Because others that choose to act will decide for you.
BLUE FLU WILL GET SONY ATTENTION as long as people are serious about it. Tens of thousands of angry customer will force them to act. And if it doesn't then you will know they don't care. It will no longer be a specualtion if SONY cares or not. If they don't they are not worhty of your patronage. Worse case I'm going to play WOW. It not EQ but sometimes change is good in life. it jars something in us, and awakens us to the fact that things can be better or that things are not good as they are now.

If it is possible for the hackers to do all that stuff, is it possible they can hack or send script to a player's pc? I've been experiencing screen freeze every few minutes for about 10 secs or so ever since I requested a transfer back from SH. Is it possible whoever did the character transfers screwed up or intentionally messed up my computer? The only thing I can do in the game is pharm, tradeskills, and trade because of the computer freezing up.

Sorry if this is not the appropriate thread to post this to. Just was reading here and noticed repeated remarks regarding hacking and such.

Make it all No Drop.

just play the game. if someone doesnt do something right, tell them how. sad but true, most of the population of EQ thats left is people who twinked, bought plat, whatever...make the game more difficult for them and they leave. good idea? in a game thats now geared towards grouping and raiding imagine how hard it would be to get a group with half the current population.

either sony is going to do something about it or not. if you REALLY want to see if they plan on it, stage a protest like many have done to get their attention..complaining about it and breaking it down into bits and bytes with theories and rumors is just going to get you, me and everyone that reads this more frustrated.

thats half the problem with the world today..everyones got a complaint but noone has the motivation to do anything about it.

I play on CT and decided to look for some cheap gloves for my Sk when I seen some " Sporali Gloves " and choked when I seen the price. 2.56k+ was the lowest and 3.4k high for a item with like 9% haste. I compared to FBSS and it was cheaper by 100pp/2.4k but max was 3.5k. I was quite shocked so I looked at another haste item " Silver Chitin Hand Wraps " 3.5k max. Very wild pricing going on, I remember when "FBSS" used to be 800-1k and "SCHW" was 2k max. I'm not a very active person in the bazaar at all because I'm a broke part timer. Buying something at a decent price would be nice but I'm one of them " I'll rather get it myself " kind of person. Guess that explains why my mage is still wearing his newbie armor except robe at 49lvl.

Do agree with alot of the things said here. Mostly the ones about mobs that should drop their loot table when killed instead of trying to kill said mob 20X to get a shot at an item. Guess that's why I don't QUEST much anymore. I blow all my pp on NPC vendors 99%.

wow,
a virtual economy is created and a million virtual economists follow. Play the GAME. Trying to make a virtual reality perfect is borderline euphoric. Sony doesnt care if you sign on or not....they only care if you pay your monthly fee to subscribe so staging a one day boycott is useless. If it bothers us that much the REAL answer is QUIT! Its amazing how many people find something to complain about. Buying and selling plat wrecks the game, twinking shouldnt be allowed, make everything no drop, no more buying and selling accounts, and the list goes on. Bottom line to Sony is this....if they take away the ability to buy and sell accounts, platinum, and items....all you have a stagnent customer base. New players to the game enjoy thrill of upgrading and twinking, of buying an account or making alittle plat in trading. Lets face most high levels dont help out new players, they trash talk them and complain. Just like they do about someone selling items and plat. Oh but exploiters wreck the real game.....cmon the key word is game. Yes, in a perfect world, yantis and ige suck for cheating us to make money. But this isnt a perfect world. In fact EQ isnt even a REAL world. Should Sony do something about this? YES. Should we get all bent our of shape about what Sony might do? NO. If you have a real problem with ige or yantis buying up your ornates....sell it cheap to an ally guild or in ooc.......or better yet "for the good of the game" give it away to some newb. (bet noone would do this)(and now the post come about those good samaritans that just farm to give items to newbs all day long, just get my point and take it with a grain of salt to get the point accross) This can be a FUN game. Lets play, and leave politics to politicians.

Though this would indeed make things difficult, it would make little difference either, we're talking companies with thousands of accounts who could easily have multiple races amoung them so making it little effort to have several instances of the program running for each 'bazaar'. The downside to this is like mentioned further up where there are legit uses of the program, those using it for good reasons may have been using it for the good of the community but would soon feel it wasn't worth the effort.

A good way to fix the problem? Like everyone says, turn back to old style /ooc etc. trading. My guess is that traders are considered npcs to the program which lets it search for item prices on normal players which makes it painfully difficult to monitor (SoE are not going to notice thousands of checks on vendors prices, the program seems to look for an item in a vendors wares but doesn't actively appear to search for it).

Another fix would be for a price limit to be introduced, this would make things significantly better for PC's and make this much less profitable for the companies. If people want to sell for more than the vendor limit, they use /auction or /ooc. A good sum I'd guess would be upto 20K pp, reasonable for about 90% of items at my guess and wouldn't clog up the chat channels too much with spamming WTS messages.

All my opinion, but my second idea seems pretty safe, if an item can't be re-sold by companies for more than 20K without having to also send chat messages, then these 'offenders' will be become more obvious and will lose out in profits.

Sorry if it's a long post for most but feel free to leave opinions ;)

There are no real life economy parallels to eq's economy. If I want to own a $200K car in the real world, I have to: A) Have the cash on hand to pay for. B) Qualify and afford a loan to pay for it. C) Steal it. There is no place I can take some magic beans and trade them in for cash to buy the car. In eq, I can take magic beans (real world $$) and trade them in for cash (in game pp).

If I want to buy a used car, I can pay a lower price for the car buying it from a person instead of a dealer. Eq is the oppisite: I will pay less pp buying from a dealer (eq merchant\vendor) than I would from a person (trader in the bazaar)

For those of you calling for price caps, they already exist. Most people chose to ignore them. The price cap is the price that you would pay a vendor for that item. I can buy a Forest Loop off vendors for 3Kpp. Under 300pp is the current bazaar price. Centi Longswords, 62pp from a vendor. Over 2Kpp in bazaar. SoV armour quest gems are readily available on a multitude of vendors. Anyone willing to pay a player a higher price than the vendor is a fool.

You can not claim that an item's in-game value is related to its rarity. I bought my first Stein of Moggok several years ago for 200pp. I can still sell in them bazaar for 200pp. There has to thousands of those damn steins in game on every server.

I don't need any fancy programs to search all the vendors. I know which vendors are players favorites to sell their itmes. 2-3 times a week, I make a loop of these vendors, buy the items, and resell them in the bazaar for a hefty profit. Why? People are stupid. I just bought 2 dozen Unfired Opal Encrusted Steins off one merchant at under 1sp each. A couple of sp each, for the firing sheet, turned each one into the real thing, which I'm resold for 30pp each. As long as the players are willing to pay these high prices, I can continue to make hefty profits.

Please, put me out of business. Pay attention to the price caps

I agree- inflation of prices is insane. I remember when PoP first came out. I was one of the first people on my server to get in to be able to farm the pad named. Legs molds were about 100k with every other piece beening much less. I believe I even saw a few bracers for sale for about 25k.
now legs are up to 300k and bracers are about 75k. 3x inflation in about a year is enough to break any economy

I farm doz kt seru statue wuoshi kd vs trak and most kunark dragons constantly. I sell around 500-1000k to sites each week. Thats not a dupe, just a bored nerd with too many computers.