Although Crushbone certainly has some problems there's worse elsewhere. As mentioned before, Bastion of Thunder is sick when it comes to training/camp stealing/ooc wars/etc. Several years ago you saw the same thing in Blackburrow. Paludal Cavern's is anything but nice if you're anywhere near Shadowhaven.
Those of you that want a "non-newbie" zone for a little bit of time, or "adult" as you call it. HAHAHAHA!!! My 13 year old nephew has more maturity than a lot of 20, 30 and 40 something players I know.
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Yes and my nephew is very cute and very smart. However to everyone else he may not seem so. I was always told I was "Ahead of my time" and "Very mature for my age" but now looking back I know exactly how mature I was and it was far less then the credit I was given.
Ok Javajiver, I realise that I can't defend myself as I clearly don't understand how great you are.
No offence, but you're a bumbling idiot and you can't defend yourself because you dont understand why you're a bumbling idiot. Personally, I would love a server with a compulsary IQ test ("no offense" but I don't see the grounds for you saying you don't mean to offend and then coming out with comments like "children which you are" clearly with the sole purpose to undermine me).
Fool that you are java, I am not insulted at your comments, I am insulted that I live in a world in which the higher the ego, the lower the intelligence. I clearly stated what I thought of idiilea's comments, so replicating them with examples of what you mean can't help the matter.
I dont disagree with you; on the whole if you looked at everyone 21- and everyone 21+ there would be much more desirable EQ players in the latter group. What I do disagree with is the people saying that everyone under 21 should be excluded from your idyllic supreme-being only server. Why not have a server which can only be accessed by people who are recommended by multiple players, this way we can assure I can play without offensive people like you messing up my perfect world.
So java, go write to SOE and ask them for an age apartheid on EQ; that's all your idea would be - lesser beings such as me catching flack from highly educated individuals like yourself about other people in the Pigeon-Hole you've assigned me. Rant all you want, age has no part of it, the quality of the EQ player has to be looked at individually, not as age groups, but this is higher than EQ, the statements you have made offend me.
Oh he's a teenager, he's full of anger and rebellion, I remember when I was like that, when he reaches my age he will look back on this as one of life's inevitable mishaps, we all were like that once.
So here's to you Osmodiar, Javajiver and Idiilea - good luck growing up like your uncle Dracoid!
Edited, Mon Mar 15 16:45:55 2004 by Dracoid
No offence, but you're a bumbling idiot and you can't defend yourself because you dont understand why you're a bumbling idiot. Personally, I would love a server with a compulsary IQ test ("no offense" but I don't see the grounds for you saying you don't mean to offend and then coming out with comments like "children which you are" clearly with the sole purpose to undermine me).
Fool that you are java, I am not insulted at your comments, I am insulted that I live in a world in which the higher the ego, the lower the intelligence. I clearly stated what I thought of idiilea's comments, so replicating them with examples of what you mean can't help the matter.
I dont disagree with you; on the whole if you looked at everyone 21- and everyone 21+ there would be much more desirable EQ players in the latter group. What I do disagree with is the people saying that everyone under 21 should be excluded from your idyllic supreme-being only server. Why not have a server which can only be accessed by people who are recommended by multiple players, this way we can assure I can play without offensive people like you messing up my perfect world.
So java, go write to SOE and ask them for an age apartheid on EQ; that's all your idea would be - lesser beings such as me catching flack from highly educated individuals like yourself about other people in the Pigeon-Hole you've assigned me. Rant all you want, age has no part of it, the quality of the EQ player has to be looked at individually, not as age groups, but this is higher than EQ, the statements you have made offend me.
Oh he's a teenager, he's full of anger and rebellion, I remember when I was like that, when he reaches my age he will look back on this as one of life's inevitable mishaps, we all were like that once.
So here's to you Osmodiar, Javajiver and Idiilea - good luck growing up like your uncle Dracoid!
Edited, Mon Mar 15 16:45:55 2004 by Dracoid
I hope you feel better for that Drac! 
Not sure I agree with the whole thing but a couple of your points ring true:
I've met some really stupid, rude and annoying adult players and a number of skillful and entertaining younger ones I've yet to hear a generalisation that didn't wear a T-shirt with the slogan 'Shoot Me'
My other observation is that finding morons is quite easy in PC, CB, BoT etc., but to find major dumb-asses in large numbers, PoK's usually worth a shot.
Not sure I agree with the whole thing but a couple of your points ring true:
My other observation is that finding morons is quite easy in PC, CB, BoT etc., but to find major dumb-asses in large numbers, PoK's usually worth a shot.
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
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If you'll excuse me i am busy writing to sony to ask for a new zone whitch can only be entered by people without glasses or large feet
While I wouldn't mind a 21+ server, it's never going to happen, so I don't give it much thought.
The only problem I have with some younger players is impatience, often to the point of rudeness. This is especially offensive when the person in question is asking for help. Don't ask for help, then rag on the person that they're not hopping fast enough for your taste. I attribute this to youthful self absorption. This is not a knock at young people, it's a normal stage of development but it can be tiresome to us big footed, glasses wearing fogeys.
Regarding Crushbone. It's nice to hear this zone is still enjoying so much popularity after so many years.
I can only repeat what I've said before. I avoid super popular areas like the plague.
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Heh, I did indeed have a nice laugh at the 21+ server idea; it seems interesting. Although... I have another suggestion. I myself am not over 21, but I have to agree with you that ALOT of people around my age act in a completely unacceptable manner, it is certainly true that they do not tend to to consider how their actions and behavior affects other players. However, I also know a vast majority of 21+ players who act exactly the same way. This saddens me really, on both accounts. I think that.... there should be a server that is restricted to those who act 21+. Although this does throw quite a subjective view onto how people behave, but no plan is perfect, eh? That way we could get rid of some of the immaturity problems, on both sides. It's a pity that those problems never truly go away. /sigh.
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Oh oops, this is a discussion about newbie zone trains...heh...
About that, I have to say that in these cases a little leeway should be given to newbies. Purposefully creating trains is probably not something even someone new to the game would do, but you never know, them people.... Zones like these are, in my opinion, the best places to have trains. Not that I think trains are good in any way, but people have to learn somewhere. Sometime. There are always trains, and when someone doesn't learn how to deal with them in their early levels we might start seeing things like 20+ mob unannounced trains through the PoV and such... scary stuff.
-Just my 2cp =)
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Oh oops, this is a discussion about newbie zone trains...heh...
About that, I have to say that in these cases a little leeway should be given to newbies. Purposefully creating trains is probably not something even someone new to the game would do, but you never know, them people.... Zones like these are, in my opinion, the best places to have trains. Not that I think trains are good in any way, but people have to learn somewhere. Sometime. There are always trains, and when someone doesn't learn how to deal with them in their early levels we might start seeing things like 20+ mob unannounced trains through the PoV and such... scary stuff.
-Just my 2cp =)
For the most part i agree with neocarrot and yanari, i dont have a problem with people saying that more young people are rude, offensive and lacking in ettiqute than people over 21, however, i dont think a 21+ server would solve this problem, everyone has their on view (even Javajiver), all that i am apposed to is the patronising comments to get that message across.
Ok, I'm a 14 cleric, this is my first toon, and even I know that that is absurd behavior for a cleric!
Because of this same complaint, I prefer not to group at levels like this because so many people I have encountered in groups do this same thing (trying to do things which your class is not suited for).
Although it stunts my level growth, I almost never group with someone outside of the people I know in real life who play everquest, all of whom are seasoned players. (I just group with their alts) They've been playing since the dawn of the game, and actually do what many low-level, non-twinked players DON'T: play their class correctly.
As for the question on why these confused players aren't playing a warrior or paladin: I think that many of them like the idea of being able to heal, especially themselves, and they go in and fight because they feel invincible with healing spells, when in actuality, the job of a cleric is not to be selfish and greedy with your mana, it's to use your heals to assist your other group members in doing their job, and in doing so, you're doing your own job.
(Now, I'll wait quietly while the grammar fairy comes to flog me)
Because of this same complaint, I prefer not to group at levels like this because so many people I have encountered in groups do this same thing (trying to do things which your class is not suited for).
Although it stunts my level growth, I almost never group with someone outside of the people I know in real life who play everquest, all of whom are seasoned players. (I just group with their alts) They've been playing since the dawn of the game, and actually do what many low-level, non-twinked players DON'T: play their class correctly.
As for the question on why these confused players aren't playing a warrior or paladin: I think that many of them like the idea of being able to heal, especially themselves, and they go in and fight because they feel invincible with healing spells, when in actuality, the job of a cleric is not to be selfish and greedy with your mana, it's to use your heals to assist your other group members in doing their job, and in doing so, you're doing your own job.
(Now, I'll wait quietly while the grammar fairy comes to flog me)
was the last post supposed to be in the topic about battle clerics?
mkbailey wrote:
was the last post supposed to be in the topic about battle clerics?
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
either way it was a good post 
Gah, you don't understand how much I dislike CB now. Since playing a Druid and doing Advs., you learn how to play your char and other chars while you're there. In an Adv., you know an Enchanters roll in mezzing and rebuffing, and ocassionaly nuking when they have more mana then they know what to do with. So I figured I'd start an Enchie because they're much needed in EQ. Got him to lvl 12ish and I took him to CB to get a grp. The main probablem with playing a low lvl enchie is that you can't do your job. No one attacks the same thing. I've told my grp this many times just to get the reply that they are. Yeah, that's why my mezzes are holding. I just can't stand it so now I just play me Druid and hope to one day PL the inchie to 16 so he can go to PC and hopefully get a reasonable grp.
Sheesh people!!
It is a NEWBIE zone!! Ya know for people who do not know HOW to play the game and are learning.. If you have 2+ level 65's and and working on your new alts.. Help the people there.. Remember when you 1st played this game?.. There is a steep learning curve.. Damn! I remember falling in the stream near the castle and drowning.. I had no clue what to do in water... Train!?! Whats that?? Please assist.. How??? ..etc.. etc..
I loved being a newbie here and was sad when I got tl level 17 or so and had to leave just as I figureded out how to play here..
It's actually fun in some ways to create a newbie toon & get in one of these groups.
It gives one an opportunity to really directly help brand new players in a way that's not twinking or PLing.
Hmm, I knew what Audaeva was saying, which was, in fact, on topic.
It gives one an opportunity to really directly help brand new players in a way that's not twinking or PLing.
Hmm, I knew what Audaeva was saying, which was, in fact, on topic.
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Not all of the problems in CB are from newbies. A few months back there was a high level druid in there wiping out the whole zone. When we came in we noticed she had pulled the entire TR even though there was a group camped in there. We went over to the slavers and had them camped when another group came in and pulled everything out (on the grounds that there are no such thing as camps). They left after they wiped everything out. As soon as they respawned we had the high level druid come in and pull everything. GRR! Complaints rang all over the zone about this group and this druid.
When I finally thought I was going to get to kill something some soloer comes into our camp. I had already started casting my spell when this guy comes in and starts whacking on it. I managed to pull him to me with my spell but this guy tries to accuse me of KSing! I tried to tell him I had already started my casting but that didnt matter to him =P
When I finally thought I was going to get to kill something some soloer comes into our camp. I had already started casting my spell when this guy comes in and starts whacking on it. I managed to pull him to me with my spell but this guy tries to accuse me of KSing! I tried to tell him I had already started my casting but that didnt matter to him =P
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Back to the topic of CB- Yes, it is bad- but it's like a Day Care center...............
And if you think it is bad NOW- try playing there before some of the expansions and new zones came out ---> ( Ie. Kurn's Tower, Paludal Caverns, etc.) *shudder*
And if you think it is bad NOW- try playing there before some of the expansions and new zones came out ---> ( Ie. Kurn's Tower, Paludal Caverns, etc.) *shudder*
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